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Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:43 am

Haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere but Spain's Plus Ultra plan to take three former Etihad A346s. Nice to see some A340s getting a new life rather than being scrapped!

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Re: Plus Ultra to aquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:57 pm

Is this airline any connection to that previous airline Air Plus Comet ?
 
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Re: Plus Ultra to aquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:13 pm

Clydenairways wrote:
Is this airline any connection to that previous airline Air Plus Comet ?


I don’t think so, currently they operate 4x A343, will be interesting to see if this is fleet replacement or expansion
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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Re: Plus Ultra to aquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:17 pm

Clydenairways wrote:
Is this airline any connection to that previous airline Air Plus Comet ?

Nope, that one got rebranded as Air Comet and has already ceased operations around a decade ago.
 
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Re: Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:06 pm

European Aviation has 4 on the Guernsay register.
 
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Re: Plus Ultra to aquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:16 pm

Clydenairways wrote:
Is this airline any connection to that previous airline Air Plus Comet ?


The top leadership at Air Plus Comet/Marsans ended up in prison. The Plus in the name has nothing to do with the defunct airline. Plus Ultra is a name with history in Spain's aviation. It was the name given to a Dornier Do J flying boat that flew from Spain (Palos de la Frontera, Huelva) to Buenos Aires, Argentina in 1926.
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Re: Plus Ultra to aquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:34 pm

dcajet wrote:
Clydenairways wrote:
Is this airline any connection to that previous airline Air Plus Comet ?


The top leadership at Air Plus Comet/Marsans ended up in prison. The Plus in the name has nothing to do with the defunct airline. Plus Ultra is a name with history in Spain's aviation. It was the name given to a Dornier Do J flying boat that flew from Spain (Palos de la Frontera, Huelva) to Buenos Aires, Argentina in 1926.


Plus Ultra is not just a name with history in Spanish aviation. It is the national motto and is on the Coat of Arms of Spain ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_ultr ... _(mazonado).svg )
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Re: Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:28 pm

Wasn't Plus Ultra started by the same halfwits of Air Madrid? And Air Comet took over some Air Madrid routes when they went bust, so they are a little bit related...
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Re: Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:04 pm

Taking on a fleet of obsolete aircraft that have four very expensive to maintain engines, and were pushed out of the marketplace by another aircraft that is itself on the verge of being obsolete because it was so much more efficient does not sound like a sure-fire road to success. I don’t care how cheap the planes were. Sometimes things that are free are overpriced.
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Re: Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:31 pm

SEPilot wrote:
Taking on a fleet of obsolete aircraft that have four very expensive to maintain engines, and were pushed out of the marketplace by another aircraft that is itself on the verge of being obsolete because it was so much more efficient does not sound like a sure-fire road to success. I don’t care how cheap the planes were. Sometimes things that are free are overpriced.


Sorry but why so negative?

“Late”-A340 airlines with ACMI operations seem to be doing quite fine with them. HiFly 343/345, Air Belgium 343, soon Maleth Aero with 346s...
 
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Re: Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:53 pm

BasilFawlty wrote:
Wasn't Plus Ultra started by the same halfwits of Air Madrid? And Air Comet took over some Air Madrid routes when they went bust, so they are a little bit related...


I'm pretty sure Plus Ultra is going to be the next version of the 737?
 
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Re: Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:04 pm

SEPilot wrote:
Taking on a fleet of obsolete aircraft that have four very expensive to maintain engines, and were pushed out of the marketplace by another aircraft that is itself on the verge of being obsolete because it was so much more efficient does not sound like a sure-fire road to success. I don’t care how cheap the planes were. Sometimes things that are free are overpriced.


You miss perhaps the utilisation factor, Plus Ultra do a fair amount of ACMI work for other carriers plus having a limited network of its own, as a result it seems to work for them to have a low price frame with a higher operational cost in much the same way cargo operators can make older aircraft work for their limited utilisation, very expensive modern frames are a quick way to go broke if your operation is based around low utilisation numbers...

Look at the hours the average BA 787 spends in the air vs say a Plus Ultra A343

As an example EC-MQM a randomly selected A343 of Plus Ultra has averaged 8.25 hours in the air per day over the last 7 days

G-ZBJC a random B789 of British Airways has averaged a 17.1 hours in the air per day over the same 7 days

Difference is the lease rates on a old A340 over a new B789 is probably over a million dollars a month, you’ve got to burn a hell of a lot more fuel per hour to make the monthly costs come even close to that of a modern jet, plus the lower utilisation will lengthen service intervals to some extent thanks to the lower usage hours
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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Re: Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:30 pm

SEPilot wrote:
Taking on a fleet of obsolete aircraft that have four very expensive to maintain engines, and were pushed out of the marketplace by another aircraft that is itself on the verge of being obsolete because it was so much more efficient does not sound like a sure-fire road to success. I don’t care how cheap the planes were. Sometimes things that are free are overpriced.

Ultimate owner of these aircraft may be Airbus / RR, offering an attractive PBTH air frame / engine package, with minimal daily charge (usually just hull insurance and modest management fee).
 
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Re: Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:53 pm

What happened to their masterplan to take over PALs A340-300 (ex IBERIA) fleet - like EC-NBU?

BTW. these A340-600 are believed to be MSN 933 (ntu by AzmanAir, MalethAero), 929 and 1040.
 
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Re: Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:09 pm

Hard to believe they are taking 346s when they already have 343s in the fleet and there are a number of good later-build 343s on the market. The Trent 500 is, well, not exactly a CFM56 in terms of maintenance costs. The 343 is a good low-utilization airframe today; the 345/346, not so much.
 
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Re: Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:50 am

One interesting point - PlusUltra is very well known for not spending a single penny into the aircraft interior... Their A340-300 are operating with the interior of the previous operator. So, will it keep the ETHIAD layout, even with FirstClass seating?
 
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Re: Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:13 am

Always thought these aircraft would suit going to military use . Would be good as a tanker / awacs . Think as an acmi will be fine while spares are available . Don’t think fuel burn will be an issue . Looking forward to seeing these great looking aircraft for a while longer
 
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Re: Plus Ultra to acquire A340-600s

Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:17 am

seabosdca wrote:
Hard to believe they are taking 346s when they already have 343s in the fleet and there are a number of good later-build 343s on the market. The Trent 500 is, well, not exactly a CFM56 in terms of maintenance costs. The 343 is a good low-utilization airframe today; the 345/346, not so much.


That may be, but as this airline does a lot of ACMI work I guess they aim at old and new clients which have a temporary shortage of large airplanes. While the A343s are good temporary substitutes for 787s, A350s and 77Es, the A346 might serve that role for 77Ws in particular.

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