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History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:15 pm

What intercontinental routes has AA operated in the past? I would appreciate a complete list including equipment type. I am curious how they got down to just LHR as a year-round, daily route.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:21 pm

They used to have HEL and DUS on 763s.

They were supposed to fly AMS but I don’t think that started.

They used to fly to BOM? And Moscow?
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:28 pm

Off the top of my head:
HEL (763), DUS (763), MAN (763, 757), DME (772, 763), DEL (772), PVG (772, 788), PEK (772,788)
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:31 pm

In terms of widebodies, is it only 787s out of ORD now? I don't recall seeing any others
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:32 pm

BRU (763), FRA (763) were definitely year round at some point

CDG was definitely operated, although I don't know the equipment or when it ended and am not 100% sure it was year-round
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:39 pm

Currently AA operates year-round service to London and Tokyo on the 787.

Current seasonal service is offered to Athens, Barcelona, Dublin, Guatemala City, Paris, Rome and Venice using all 787’s.
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:40 pm

In summer 2000, AA's ORD intercontinental schedule included the following:

Chicago – Birmingham – daily 763
Chicago – Brussels – daily 763
Chicago – Frankfurt – daily 763
Chicago – Glasgow – daily 762
Chicago – London Heathrow – thrice daily 777, as well as 12 762 rotations per week
Chicago – Manchester – daily 763
Chicago – Milan Malpensa – daily 763
Chicago – Paris CDG – daily 763
Chicago – Rome – daily 763
Chicago – Stockholm – daily 763
Chicago – Tokyo – daily 777

Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... l-network/
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:41 pm

ORD-GLA ended in 2006 operated by a 763.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:53 pm

VC10DC10 wrote:
In summer 2000, AA's ORD intercontinental schedule included the following:

Chicago – Birmingham – daily 763
Chicago – Brussels – daily 763
Chicago – Frankfurt – daily 763
Chicago – Glasgow – daily 762
Chicago – London Heathrow – thrice daily 777, as well as 12 762 rotations per week
Chicago – Manchester – daily 763
Chicago – Milan Malpensa – daily 763
Chicago – Paris CDG – daily 763
Chicago – Rome – daily 763
Chicago – Stockholm – daily 763
Chicago – Tokyo – daily 777

Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... l-network/


Interesting to compare to UA at ORD for the same time period.

Chicago – Buenos Aires – Montevideo daily 763
Chicago – Dusseldorf daily 763
Chicago – Frankfurt daily 744 + daily 777
Chicago – Hong Kong daily 744
Chicago – London Heathrow daily 744 + daily 763
Chicago – London Heathrow - Amsterdam daily 777
Chicago – Paris CDG daily 777
Chicago – Sao Paulo daily 763
Chicago – Tokyo – Seoul 2x daily 744

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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:06 pm

When did they axe MAN and DUS? I remember seeing flights to both in the new livery.
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:08 pm

drdisque wrote:
BRU (763), FRA (763) were definitely year round at some point

CDG was definitely operated, although I don't know the equipment or when it ended and am not 100% sure it was year-round


CDG still is.
Yes for a long time ORD-CDG was a 763 until the mid 2010s not long after the 763s started to leave the fleet. Back in December of 2015 I flew ORD-CDG and it was still a 763.
It was a 77E in the Summer of 2017 and now it is a 788. Yes most widebodies flying international out of ORD, if not all, are now 787s.

Intercontinental flying out of ORD started back int he late 80s already. In the early 90s they flew the DC-10 out of ORD to Europe, LHR and BRU as far as I can remember, and maybe FRA. It was at that time, in 1991, that American started flying to LHR and the route ORD-LHR was added, a route probably flown previously by TWA. But the DC-10s were quickly pulled out of Europe and replaced with then new 767s both 200 and 300 Series. During the 90s the 767-200 was flying on a lot of routes out of ORD.
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:10 pm

For summer 2018 (June through the very beginning of Septebmer), MAN was flown on a 788.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:24 pm

They operated ORD-BER (Tegel) in the Mid-1990's.
Also ORD-ZUR-MUC
ORD-EZE
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:59 pm

not really what happened to American in Europe not only reduced ORD, also JFK and DFW (for a while) if the Boeing 767/757 did not make profitable their routes that model really need?
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:32 am

greggariouspdx wrote:
They operated ORD-BER (Tegel) in the Mid-1990's.
Also ORD-ZUR-MUC
ORD-EZE


I did that route in 1992 I think and it made a stop in DUS first.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:50 am

ORD-EZE (2007-2008) 763
ORD-DEL (11/2005-03/2012) 777
ORD-DME (2008-2009) 777/763
ORD-NGO 2005 777
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:39 am

Growing up in Dallas in the 1980s and 1990s, I was always jealous of AA's longhaul operations at ORD - they got flights to seemingly every city in Europe, while we had what felt like token service to just a handful of major points. I can appreciate the economics of that decision now, as an adult, but as a kid I found it galling.

When I started college in Chicago in 1999, the "GAAteway to the World" was in full swing at ORD - you could walk down Concourse K in the late afternoon/early evening and every gate on the east side had a widebody headed somewhere in Europe.

The European flights I remember:

LHR: started 1991 with the TWA route purchase
STN: started around 1991, flew for just a year or two
BHX: started in the mid/late 90s, dropped after 9/11
MAN: this one goes back quite a ways, to the late 1980s
GLA: not sure when this started, but dropped in 2006
DUB: started around 2005-06
ORY/CDG: started late 1980s
ARN: started in the mid/late 90s, dropped after 9/11
BRU: started in the late 1980s, dropped 2010-11
AMS: announced in 2000 but never started
FRA: started in the late 1980s, dropped 2009
MUC: operated as a tag starting in the late 1980s, went nonstop around the time the new airport opened in 1992
DUS: alternated between nonstop and a tag through the late 80s/early 90s, came back 2013-14 nonstop with the Airberlin partnership, then dropped
TXL: started around 1990, dropped around 1994-95
ZRH: started in the late 1980s, dropped (I believe) after 9/11
GVA: operated as a tag for a bit in the early 1990s
MXP: started around 1991, dropped after 9/11
FCO: started much later than you'd expect - I want to say around 1999-2000?
DME: had to be flown with a 777 and was a total dumpster fire, flown only briefly 2008-09
HEL: flown for one season (2014-15?) before Finnair took over the route

BCN, VCE and ATH are all recent adds as AA has discovered that Americans will pay any price to visit sunny parts of Europe in the summertime - these weren't flown during the GAAteway days.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:14 am

I remember AA full-sized newspaper advertisements boasting Chicago-Europe nonstop flights in late 1980s and early 1990s.
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:20 am

DUS was initially flown with DC10-30, but switched to B762 by the early 1990's.
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:22 am

American started operations to Heathrow on 1 July 1991 following the purchase of TWA route authorities however it actually initially bought the Chicago authority from TWA the year before, the deal eventually covered Boston, New York and Los Angeles. American initially started Gatwick Chicago in June 1991 as under Bermuda 2 it couldn’t operate into Heathrow until TWA left. As a result American flew Heathrow to Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami & New York (JFK & EWR) while TWA flew Gatwick to Baltimore, Philadelphia and St Louis

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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:30 am

Still puzzled by the fact AA have never flown ORD-MAD on its own metal
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:37 am

AA also operated ORD-SNN in 2007 with the 752.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:39 am

As said, MAN goes back 30 odd years, and daily year round for almost it's entire existence. It was made seasonal a couple of years ago and then didn't return for 2019.

It's interesting to see how the MAN-US market has evolved over the past 10 years. Both AA(US) and UA(CO) have less capacity to MAN now then they did at the time of their respective mergers. DL has withdrawn completely, although that's different since VS took over MAN-ATL/JFK under the JV and fly larger gauge than DL ever did (not to mention that DL were constantly in and out of MAN-JFK like a yoyo). The biggest shift though has come with VS and TCX offering sub-daily to large O&D markets such as BOS and LAX which circumvents the US hubs (and LHR as well for that matter).
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:40 am

I remember watching a "documentary" about a family taking a trip from Ord-Ory just before Christmas 1990, they flew on an AA DC-10-10......
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:17 am

jsnww81 wrote:
HEL: flown for one season (2014-15?) before Finnair took over the route

AA flew to HEL from 2011 to 2014 during the summer season. The route was flown daily with Boeing 767-300ER.
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:31 am

From what I can tell, American added ORD-Europe sometime in the second half of the 1980s. They had no ORD intercontinental services in 1984, but by 1989 they flew to FRA, ZRH, ORY, and MAN.

If you include TWA, non-stop ORD-LHR began somewhere in the 1964-1966 range, and this authority was eventually acquired by AA (some time before AA acquired TWA outright).
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:17 am

jsnww81 wrote:
Growing up in Dallas in the 1980s and 1990s, I was always jealous of AA's longhaul operations at ORD - they got flights to seemingly every city in Europe, while we had what felt like token service to just a handful of major points. I can appreciate the economics of that decision now, as an adult, but as a kid I found it galling.

When I started college in Chicago in 1999, the "GAAteway to the World" was in full swing at ORD - you could walk down Concourse K in the late afternoon/early evening and every gate on the east side had a widebody headed somewhere in Europe.

The European flights I remember:

LHR: started 1991 with the TWA route purchase
STN: started around 1991, flew for just a year or two
BHX: started in the mid/late 90s, dropped after 9/11
MAN: this one goes back quite a ways, to the late 1980s
GLA: not sure when this started, but dropped in 2006
DUB: started around 2005-06
ORY/CDG: started late 1980s
ARN: started in the mid/late 90s, dropped after 9/11
BRU: started in the late 1980s, dropped 2010-11
AMS: announced in 2000 but never started
FRA: started in the late 1980s, dropped 2009
MUC: operated as a tag starting in the late 1980s, went nonstop around the time the new airport opened in 1992
DUS: alternated between nonstop and a tag through the late 80s/early 90s, came back 2013-14 nonstop with the Airberlin partnership, then dropped
TXL: started around 1990, dropped around 1994-95
ZRH: started in the late 1980s, dropped (I believe) after 9/11
GVA: operated as a tag for a bit in the early 1990s
MXP: started around 1991, dropped after 9/11
FCO: started much later than you'd expect - I want to say around 1999-2000?
DME: had to be flown with a 777 and was a total dumpster fire, flown only briefly 2008-09
HEL: flown for one season (2014-15?) before Finnair took over the route

BCN, VCE and ATH are all recent adds as AA has discovered that Americans will pay any price to visit sunny parts of Europe in the summertime - these weren't flown during the GAAteway days.


TXL didn't operate it 1990. It was launched in the summer of 1992 and dropped six months later after the end of the season.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:18 am

Ishrion wrote:
They used to have HEL and DUS on 763s.

They were supposed to fly AMS but I don’t think that started.

They used to fly to BOM? And Moscow?


They flew ORD-DEL, not BOM and to Moscow, they flew to DME, not SVO.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:52 pm

How far back are you interested in?? This page shows the entire AA international route network from 1991, back when they still had 747SP’s, and the MD11 was brand new.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... l-network/
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:21 pm

October 1996

BHX 762
BRU 762
FRA 763
LHR MD-11 & 762
MAN 763
MEX 752
MXP 763
ORY 763
ARN 763
ZRH 762
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:30 pm

Stockholm-Arlanda, Sweden with 767-223(ER) and 767-323(ER) 1989-2001.
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:39 pm

jsnww81 wrote:
Growing up in Dallas in the 1980s and 1990s, I was always jealous of AA's longhaul operations at ORD - they got flights to seemingly every city in Europe, while we had what felt like token service to just a handful of major points. I can appreciate the economics of that decision now, as an adult, but as a kid I found it galling.

When I started college in Chicago in 1999, the "GAAteway to the World" was in full swing at ORD - you could walk down Concourse K in the late afternoon/early evening and every gate on the east side had a widebody headed somewhere in Europe.

The European flights I remember:

LHR: started 1991 with the TWA route purchase
STN: started around 1991, flew for just a year or two
BHX: started in the mid/late 90s, dropped after 9/11
MAN: this one goes back quite a ways, to the late 1980s
GLA: not sure when this started, but dropped in 2006
DUB: started around 2005-06
ORY/CDG: started late 1980s
ARN: started in the mid/late 90s, dropped after 9/11
BRU: started in the late 1980s, dropped 2010-11
AMS: announced in 2000 but never started
FRA: started in the late 1980s, dropped 2009
MUC: operated as a tag starting in the late 1980s, went nonstop around the time the new airport opened in 1992
DUS: alternated between nonstop and a tag through the late 80s/early 90s, came back 2013-14 nonstop with the Airberlin partnership, then dropped
TXL: started around 1990, dropped around 1994-95
ZRH: started in the late 1980s, dropped (I believe) after 9/11
GVA: operated as a tag for a bit in the early 1990s
MXP: started around 1991, dropped after 9/11
FCO: started much later than you'd expect - I want to say around 1999-2000?
DME: had to be flown with a 777 and was a total dumpster fire, flown only briefly 2008-09
HEL: flown for one season (2014-15?) before Finnair took over the route

BCN, VCE and ATH are all recent adds as AA has discovered that Americans will pay any price to visit sunny parts of Europe in the summertime - these weren't flown during the GAAteway days.


There was no ORD-STN in 1991. STN was flown out of JFK, in 2005 for less than a year, in response to EOS. When EOS folded, it was AXED.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:39 pm

jsnww81 wrote:
Growing up in Dallas in the 1980s and 1990s, I was always jealous of AA's longhaul operations at ORD - they got flights to seemingly every city in Europe, while we had what felt like token service to just a handful of major points. I can appreciate the economics of that decision now, as an adult, but as a kid I found it galling.

When I started college in Chicago in 1999, the "GAAteway to the World" was in full swing at ORD - you could walk down Concourse K in the late afternoon/early evening and every gate on the east side had a widebody headed somewhere in Europe.

The European flights I remember:

LHR: started 1991 with the TWA route purchase
STN: started around 1991, flew for just a year or two
BHX: started in the mid/late 90s, dropped after 9/11
MAN: this one goes back quite a ways, to the late 1980s
GLA: not sure when this started, but dropped in 2006
DUB: started around 2005-06
ORY/CDG: started late 1980s
ARN: started in the mid/late 90s, dropped after 9/11
BRU: started in the late 1980s, dropped 2010-11
AMS: announced in 2000 but never started
FRA: started in the late 1980s, dropped 2009
MUC: operated as a tag starting in the late 1980s, went nonstop around the time the new airport opened in 1992
DUS: alternated between nonstop and a tag through the late 80s/early 90s, came back 2013-14 nonstop with the Airberlin partnership, then dropped
TXL: started around 1990, dropped around 1994-95
ZRH: started in the late 1980s, dropped (I believe) after 9/11
GVA: operated as a tag for a bit in the early 1990s
MXP: started around 1991, dropped after 9/11
FCO: started much later than you'd expect - I want to say around 1999-2000?
DME: had to be flown with a 777 and was a total dumpster fire, flown only briefly 2008-09
HEL: flown for one season (2014-15?) before Finnair took over the route

BCN, VCE and ATH are all recent adds as AA has discovered that Americans will pay any price to visit sunny parts of Europe in the summertime - these weren't flown during the GAAteway days.


MXP was launched in 1992.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:30 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:

There was no ORD-STN in 1991. STN was flown out of JFK, in 2005 for less than a year, in response to EOS. When EOS folded, it was AXED.


Thanks for the corrections on TXL. I went digging through my timetable collection and the May 1, 1992 timetable shows ORD-STN service - even announces it on the cover.

I do remember the JFK-STN service in 2005 as well.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:46 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:

There was no ORD-STN in 1991. STN was flown out of JFK, in 2005 for less than a year, in response to EOS. When EOS folded, it was AXED.


Maybe I'm wrong, but I recall JFK-STN flown earlier with AB6...like around the turn of the centruy.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:30 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

There was no ORD-STN in 1991. STN was flown out of JFK, in 2005 for less than a year, in response to EOS. When EOS folded, it was AXED.


Maybe I'm wrong, but I recall JFK-STN flown earlier with AB6...like around the turn of the centruy.


JFK-STN was flown with the 767-300ER and as stated, in response to EOS and Maxjet entering the market (Silverjet used Luton Airport and flew from EWR).

The Airbus A300-600's were indeed operated on some JFK-LHR frequencies and I believe BOS-CDG but that was in the late 1990s. The type was retired in 2009.
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:53 pm

jetwet1 wrote:
I remember watching a "documentary" about a family taking a trip from Ord-Ory just before Christmas 1990, they flew on an AA DC-10-10......



I see what you did there....

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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:55 pm

AA definitely flew ORD-STN from 15 June 1992 until 31 May 1993. Flight numbers were AA155/AA156.

The first Europe route from ORD on AA was ORD-FRA, which launched on 11th April 1985 with the DC10.
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:56 pm

In the 1990 movie, Home Alone, the McCallister family flew from Chicago to Paris on AA DC-10. Does that count? ;)
 
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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:03 pm

American have had 2 stints at Stansted, the first try was Chicago to Stansted from June 1992 to May 1993 with a 767-200. At the time this was a flagship service for Stansted and it was quite a blow when American stopped due to loses incurred, the airport was a bit of a ghost town at the time, only Air UK had any real presence - in those days Ryanair only flew to Ireland from there.

The 2nd try was from October 2007 when American started New York JFK to Stansted with a 767-300, this was meant to go twice daily the year after. This attempt was widely believed to be a spoiler against EOS and Maxjet. Once these went out of business the 2nd service was axed before it began and the existing daily ended in July 2008. While I believe at the time it was blamed on the general economic situation at the time, most people believe that it achieved its purpose by putting EOS and Maxjet out of business so the route was no longer required. I did hear that the loads where good however as we know this its the yield that matters.

American A300's never operated to Stansted, they had been used on Boston, JFK and EWR to Heathrow and Gatwick.

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Re: History of AA intercontinental flying at ORD

Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:31 am

chumley wrote:
In the 1990 movie, Home Alone, the McCallister family flew from Chicago to Paris on AA DC-10. Does that count? ;)


I'd say so--AA even had an ad in between the previews on the initial VHS release. Also worth noting is that Mrs. McCallister ends up on John Candy's truck after AA somehow got her from Paris to Scranton when she was trying to get to Chicago...

Also, Kevin McCallister grew up to head Boeing Commercial Airplanes, so he turned out OK...
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