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Aeromexico reports loss; cancels PVG, suspends 5 other international routes

Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:57 pm

Aeroméxico has announced the cancellation of six international routes, after reporting a 2.6% decrease in revenues and a loss of $ 1,106 million pesos.

Mexico-Shanghai (operated 3x w) will be cancelled, to make equipment available to fly daily to Barcelona. In addition, Aeroméxico has announced the postponing of new routes to Liberia (Costa Rica), Belize, Punta Cana (Dominican Republic), Guayaquil (Ecuador) and Cali (Colombia).

http://enelaire.mx/aeromexico-cancela-r ... -destinos/
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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels 6 international routes

Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:00 pm

Supposedly Guayaquil is a temporary suspension and Cali would migrate to CONNECT on E190 due to the MAX contingency. It was no cancellation

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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels 6 international routes

Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:04 pm

jmatheussylva wrote:
Supposedly Guayaquil is a temporary suspension and Cali would migrate to CONNECT on E190 due to the MAX contingency. It was no cancellation

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That is not what Aeromexico announced today in Mexico during a call with investors and analysts.

See: https://expansion.mx/empresas/2019/07/1 ... nacionales
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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels 6 international routes

Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:05 pm

much of this is max related guys. they are very short of aircraft.
 
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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels 6 international routes

Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:09 pm

dcajet wrote:
jmatheussylva wrote:
Supposedly Guayaquil is a temporary suspension and Cali would migrate to CONNECT on E190 due to the MAX contingency. It was no cancellation

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That is not what Aeromexico announced today in Mexico during a call with investors and analysts.

See: https://expansion.mx/empresas/2019/07/1 ... nacionales
Cali had its inaugural this week

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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels 6 international routes

Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:11 pm

dcajet wrote:
jmatheussylva wrote:
Supposedly Guayaquil is a temporary suspension and Cali would migrate to CONNECT on E190 due to the MAX contingency. It was no cancellation

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That is not what Aeromexico announced today in Mexico during a call with investors and analysts.

See: https://expansion.mx/empresas/2019/07/1 ... nacionales
Read the piece of news you posted. It says they have to "postpone" those destinations as they are short on aircraft

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Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:00 pm

Until Mexico City gets a new Airport, it will be hard for AeroMexico to profitably operate.
 
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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels PVG, suspends 5 other international routes

Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:23 pm

Why? Airlines love the inability of competitors to grow. They're usually happy to have fewer flights at higher prices, too.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:26 pm

HP69 wrote:
Until Mexico City gets a new Airport, it will be hard for AeroMexico to profitably operate.


Sounds like they need some aircraft they can fly also.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:30 pm

it is necessary to leave Shanghai (PVG) with another Boeing 787-9 on the way (923 in production), for years AM has flown to this route for years, I hope with the arrival of more dreamliners can return Shanghai, Rio de Janeiro and Rome
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:50 pm

So they decide to cancel Shanghai to go daily on Barcelona. Wonder if this has to do with Emirates announcement recently? I really thought AM was making a profit on their Asian routes? Wasn’t that a increased to a 5x weekly flight not too long ago?
 
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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels 6 international routes

Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:09 am

jmatheussylva wrote:
dcajet wrote:
jmatheussylva wrote:
Supposedly Guayaquil is a temporary suspension and Cali would migrate to CONNECT on E190 due to the MAX contingency. It was no cancellation

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That is not what Aeromexico announced today in Mexico during a call with investors and analysts.

See: https://expansion.mx/empresas/2019/07/1 ... nacionales
Read the piece of news you posted. It says they have to "postpone" those destinations as they are short on aircraft

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My bad; was referring to Cali, which on the news piece says it us being postponed. But you are correct it had its inaugural yesterday, and flown with a 737-800. Tomorrow's flight is planned to be with a 73G.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:37 am

Europe is generally higher yielding than Asia but Aeromexico still does serve 2 of the highest yielding markets in Asia: NRT & ICN which ICN is now non-stop reducing costs. The next step is AeroMexico code-sharing with Korean Air/Delta on Asia flights beyond ICN (PVG & HKG for example so they can still serve it via code-shares).
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:57 am

Is it possible to see China Eastern enter the Mexican market now? I remember reading that they were studying such market with potential flights.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:10 am

dodgers702 wrote:
Is it possible to see China Eastern enter the Mexican market now? I remember reading that they were studying such market with potential flights.


With Hainan and China Southern already operating in MEX, is there room for a third Chinese airline in the market?
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:14 am

Delta probably not very happy right now...
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:16 am

With AeroMexico using Russian airspace and pushing their B788 to the limit with MEX-ICN non-stop west-bound (similar distance to PEK), if Hainan was smart they'd make their PEK-MEX flight non-stop in both directions weight restricting it west-bound. It would drive higher yields too. CZ has no choice but to stop in YVR.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:26 am

The closure of Shanghai is surprising, but the route was showing weakness for the past year. Demand has really softened and this has to do a lot with the trade wars and the Chinese economy cooling off. Hainan and China Southern have also decreased their service to MEX to just 2x per week! Both Chinese carriers operate these as loss makers, but receive subsidies from the Chinese gov, something that AM does not get and cannot compete with as these airlines sell tickets way below costs. Perhaps they are planning to funnel more passengers via ICN if they start codesharing with KE?
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:59 am

You do have to wonder what impact the Delta JV has on Aeromexico's profitability. Delta owns 49% of AM. Delta likely created a JV with AM that is HIGHLY favorable to Delta (obviously speculation on my part; I have no idea). Why would you not if you're Delta and you own all the cards? what would the incentive be to create a JV that is even distribution between DL and AM when Delta, for all intents and purposes, controls AM.
And AM, quite literally, can't get out of it unless they convince ALL 50.1% of their other shareholders to help them which is a pretty high bar. Not impossible, but very difficult.
And, if Delta plans to keep them afloat anyway, does it really matter all that much how profitable AM is as long as the real parent company, Delta, has good margins?
I mean... the other reasons mentioned on here just don't make a lot of sense to me
1. MAX impact... yeah maybe... but we're talking 6(?) out of their 53 737s? Not including the Connect fleet. It certainly didn't seem to hurt United's margins all that much.
2. The new airport... I mean... it would have to be the first time in history a legacy carrier needed more capacity/competition to do better... Constrained airports usually favor the incumbent with the most slots.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:15 am

The new airport...it will be a long time. The Peña Nieto project was cancelled by the new president AMLO and the AMLO project is under court injunction (correct term?) has come to a standstill. AM announced a while back, it would not operate from two airports, under the AMLO proposal since their operation requires a lot of connectabity. There is some caution taking place for the future strength of the Mexican economy. The new govt. is not inspiring foreign investment and some decisions, such as the cancellation of the new airport and the construction of Dos Bocas, a refinery has led to doubts plus the resignation of various cabinet ministers.
I believe this affects AM's bottom line. Thier fares a usually higher than Volaris, Viva and Interjet.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:32 am

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Delta probably not very happy right now...


DL is busy right now helping AM refocus their network to provide greater connectivity to/from the DL network and to other SkyTeam partners. It is an overwhelming task and one that takes time to show results, but no worries. The ship WILL be righted.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:49 am

I could imagine AM could connect PVG clients via DL gateway like LAX where AM has service, or via ICN into the KE network.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:44 am

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Aeroméxico has announced the cancellation of six international routes, after reporting a 2.6% decrease in revenues and a loss of $ 1,106 million pesos.

http://enelaire.mx/aeromexico-cancela-r ... -destinos/


I'm no mathematician but what is that, maybe $29 dollars?
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:16 am

Delta is punching the air right now
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:13 am

The biggest problem with MEX isn’t it’s size constraints, it’s the passenger experience. T2 is hot garbage - nobody would believe you if you said it was built in 2008, as it’s falling apart at the seams and is a really unwelcoming physical environment that feels constructed on the cheap. Although the bus gates they are forced to use for regional due to size do certainly make matters worse.

MEX is perfectly placed to be a transfer hub between all of South America and North America. AM should be drowning in connecting traffic, but the combination of a lousy terminal and a lousy connecting experience (Mexican immigration rules currently require you to fully enter the country to connect, with queues sometimes approaching multiple hours) make it an undesirable proposition. The MCT times imply 1:30 is valid, but you’d have to be insane to book that without their trusted traveler program...

The new Texcoco airport was supposed to solve much of this and open up a whole new business for AM. Without it, their long term growth is going to stagnate and they will be forever serving primarily MEX O&D traffic.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:42 am

ilovepabst wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Aeroméxico has announced the cancellation of six international routes, after reporting a 2.6% decrease in revenues and a loss of $ 1,106 million pesos.

http://enelaire.mx/aeromexico-cancela-r ... -destinos/


I'm no mathematician but what is that, maybe $29 dollars?


About ~$58 million USD
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:52 am

bcbhokie wrote:

MEX is perfectly placed to be a transfer hub between all of South America and North America. AM should be drowning in connecting traffic, but the combination of a lousy terminal and a lousy connecting experience (Mexican immigration rules currently require you to fully enter the country to connect, with queues sometimes approaching multiple hours) make it an undesirable proposition. The MCT times imply 1:30 is valid, but you’d have to be insane to book that without their trusted traveler program...


It's somewhat geographically well-placed for connecting Western North America to Central/South America but it's really no different than already-there DFW & IAH for that purpose and MEX is at a significantly higher altitude. That altitude doesn't matter too much for South America flying but is a huge restriction on connecting South America > Asia flying as a supplement to simply competing with all-narrowbody Copa.

But MEX is significantly less geographically well-placed for North America > South America vs PTY and MIA.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:03 pm

JAMBOJET wrote:
bcbhokie wrote:

MEX is perfectly placed to be a transfer hub between all of South America and North America. AM should be drowning in connecting traffic, but the combination of a lousy terminal and a lousy connecting experience (Mexican immigration rules currently require you to fully enter the country to connect, with queues sometimes approaching multiple hours) make it an undesirable proposition. The MCT times imply 1:30 is valid, but you’d have to be insane to book that without their trusted traveler program...


It's somewhat geographically well-placed for connecting Western North America to Central/South America but it's really no different than already-there DFW & IAH for that purpose and MEX is at a significantly higher altitude. That altitude doesn't matter too much for South America flying but is a huge restriction on connecting South America > Asia flying as a supplement to simply competing with all-narrowbody Copa.

But MEX is significantly less geographically well-placed for North America > South America vs PTY and MIA.


MEX still is much better for a lot of people who don't want/don't have a US visa. DFW & IAH requires much more time to connect, because of immigration.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:06 pm

JAMBOJET wrote:
bcbhokie wrote:

MEX is perfectly placed to be a transfer hub between all of South America and North America. AM should be drowning in connecting traffic, but the combination of a lousy terminal and a lousy connecting experience (Mexican immigration rules currently require you to fully enter the country to connect, with queues sometimes approaching multiple hours) make it an undesirable proposition. The MCT times imply 1:30 is valid, but you’d have to be insane to book that without their trusted traveler program...


It's somewhat geographically well-placed for connecting Western North America to Central/South America but it's really no different than already-there DFW & IAH for that purpose and MEX is at a significantly higher altitude. That altitude doesn't matter too much for South America flying but is a huge restriction on connecting South America > Asia flying as a supplement to simply competing with all-narrowbody Copa.

But MEX is significantly less geographically well-placed for North America > South America vs PTY and MIA.


The location of CUN in that respect is much better.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:33 pm

LatinAirliner wrote:
JAMBOJET wrote:
bcbhokie wrote:

MEX is perfectly placed to be a transfer hub between all of South America and North America. AM should be drowning in connecting traffic, but the combination of a lousy terminal and a lousy connecting experience (Mexican immigration rules currently require you to fully enter the country to connect, with queues sometimes approaching multiple hours) make it an undesirable proposition. The MCT times imply 1:30 is valid, but you’d have to be insane to book that without their trusted traveler program...


It's somewhat geographically well-placed for connecting Western North America to Central/South America but it's really no different than already-there DFW & IAH for that purpose and MEX is at a significantly higher altitude. That altitude doesn't matter too much for South America flying but is a huge restriction on connecting South America > Asia flying as a supplement to simply competing with all-narrowbody Copa.

But MEX is significantly less geographically well-placed for North America > South America vs PTY and MIA.


MEX still is much better for a lot of people who don't want/don't have a US visa. DFW & IAH requires much more time to connect, because of immigration.

That's a rather small subset of the North America > South America connecting population to find a niche: Non-US, Non-Canadian (US customs at many of their local airports make connecting at US airports easier for Canadians vs MEX), not heading to the largest population in North America (US), have enough money to travel but don't have a US visa, and prefer the customs line at MEX over PTY.
There's a population there, sure, but not really enough to build a competitive advantage off of.
I think it goes without saying MEX will have a huge advantage with South Americans traveling to Mexico.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:46 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
JAMBOJET wrote:
bcbhokie wrote:

MEX is perfectly placed to be a transfer hub between all of South America and North America. AM should be drowning in connecting traffic, but the combination of a lousy terminal and a lousy connecting experience (Mexican immigration rules currently require you to fully enter the country to connect, with queues sometimes approaching multiple hours) make it an undesirable proposition. The MCT times imply 1:30 is valid, but you’d have to be insane to book that without their trusted traveler program...


It's somewhat geographically well-placed for connecting Western North America to Central/South America but it's really no different than already-there DFW & IAH for that purpose and MEX is at a significantly higher altitude. That altitude doesn't matter too much for South America flying but is a huge restriction on connecting South America > Asia flying as a supplement to simply competing with all-narrowbody Copa.

But MEX is significantly less geographically well-placed for North America > South America vs PTY and MIA.


The location of CUN in that respect is much better.


Yes, but CUN’s O&D/business case is basically null.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:57 pm

LatinAirliner wrote:
JAMBOJET wrote:
bcbhokie wrote:

MEX is perfectly placed to be a transfer hub between all of South America and North America. AM should be drowning in connecting traffic, but the combination of a lousy terminal and a lousy connecting experience (Mexican immigration rules currently require you to fully enter the country to connect, with queues sometimes approaching multiple hours) make it an undesirable proposition. The MCT times imply 1:30 is valid, but you’d have to be insane to book that without their trusted traveler program...


It's somewhat geographically well-placed for connecting Western North America to Central/South America but it's really no different than already-there DFW & IAH for that purpose and MEX is at a significantly higher altitude. That altitude doesn't matter too much for South America flying but is a huge restriction on connecting South America > Asia flying as a supplement to simply competing with all-narrowbody Copa.

But MEX is significantly less geographically well-placed for North America > South America vs PTY and MIA.


MEX still is much better for a lot of people who don't want/don't have a US visa. DFW & IAH requires much more time to connect, because of immigration.



But if, as is stated in a previous post, you have to clear immigrations to transfer in MEX, even on international to international, it is no different than a U.S. transfer, so it doesn't matter.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:23 pm

You can't transit in the US without a US Visa whether it's a tourist one or a transit one. If you're going from SA to Canada, Asia or Europe MEX is an attractive option. And AM is usually quite competitive on pricing.of course most SA countries have direct links, there's a big audience driven by price.

As for US travel. Depends on where in the US you're going MEX is actually way better than MIA which is a disaster in terms of time and service. Midwest and West coast US can get good connections in Mex. That's why AA has also been adding DFW to SA for those connections. Copa is really the most direct competitor for AM

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Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:41 pm

ilovepabst wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Aeroméxico has announced the cancellation of six international routes, after reporting a 2.6% decrease in revenues and a loss of $ 1,106 million pesos.

http://enelaire.mx/aeromexico-cancela-r ... -destinos/


I'm no mathematician but what is that, maybe $29 dollars?


exaggerate much? :liar: about $58 million.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:24 pm

JAMBOJET wrote:
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That's a rather small subset of the North America > South America connecting population to find a niche: Non-US, Non-Canadian (US customs at many of their local airports make connecting at US airports easier for Canadians vs MEX), not heading to the largest population in North America (US), have enough money to travel but don't have a US visa, and prefer the customs line at MEX over PTY. There's a population there, sure, but not really enough to build a competitive advantage off of.
I think it goes without saying MEX will have a huge advantage with South Americans traveling to Mexico.


There is no customs line at PTY. You literally go from one plane to the other. This simplicity has been one of COPA's hub in PTY biggest selling points. At MEX when you transfer between international flights, you have to go through local immigration and customs. Having done once a r/t SFO-MEX-EZE I can tell you it's borderline nightmarish. The airport is not prepared for it. Was told that this has been implemented at the request of US authorities.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:06 pm

The whole argument that the PVG route is being cancelled because the aircraft is needed for BCN seems lame to me. If traffic on this route has softened and margins have dropped, then that really is the reason, regardless of how the aircarft will be reallocated.

On the other hand, the whole AM-BCN-EK-unfair subsidies soap opera is also getting tiresome. The only good thing resulting from it is that consumers are finally getting the benefits!!! Until now, if you wanted to go to BCN from MEX, the alternatives were flying to MAD and taking the train or a connecting flight, or flying via a U.S. or European hub or maybe YYZ. Now, consumers are suddenly getting 14 weekly nonstops, 7 on EK and 7 on AM. It has never been a better time to fly to BCN than now.

But seriously, if AM sees a lot of demand and a high possibility of making money on MEX-BCN, why the hell didn't they start it earlier (when EK was trying to fly via ZRH for example)? Also, remember the faux pas of their more or less recent announcement only to cancel it and then announce it again? That should have cost someone's job. Other than trying to remain competitive vis-à-vis with EK, going from 3 to 7 weekly frequencies barely a month after launch seems precipitated. Again, to me, this indicates that AM knew they would be obliterated by EK if they kept the original 3x weekly schedule and are having a fantasy that they will be able to hold their own if they go head to head with daily flgiths. Sadly, I don't think AM will make money on BCN. As a public company with a very results-oriented 49% shareholder, it is only a matter of time before AM reduces frequencies or terminates the route altogether.

MAD is up to 18x weekly during the summer but that can be explained because MEX-MAD not only has a lot of demand, but said demand is a very nicely balanced combo of business travelers, premium tourists, cheap tourists and O&D (lots of it). MEX-BCN has a marginal business component, and it will mostly be tourists and O&D. It will also be interesting to see if MEX-BCN will divert some passengers that historically have flown MEX-MAD and, if so, how many MEX-MAD frequencies will there be next summer. Let's see how things look like after summer 2020 hehe. It will be interesting. Maybe I will be proven wrong.

Back on the subject of PVG, it is sad news. Very sad. Hopefully AM can eventually go daily to ICN. As others have wondered, I have to ask if maybe within the next year or two MU will pick the PVG-MEX route up with their A359s (nonstop or maybe with just a tech-stop in, say, a Japanese airport, YVR o TIJ on the westbound).

On another subject that is not really the core of this discussion, this whole rejiggling of routes by AM makes me wonder if they should have ordered more -8s and less -9s. AM is not using the -9s' superior range performance and business class seats to NRT and ICN. MAD is not all-789... some flights are operated with the -8. I recently flew AMS-MEX on AM and it was an -8, not a -9, even though AMS is for AM a connection-galore. Was a mistake made when deciding the number of aircraft of each subtype? Don't get me wrong, I feel more 789s than 788s is more logical because the marginally higher cost of operating them is offset by the additional seats when needed and by the additional range capabilities. However, it kind of feels AM's routes are more suited to the -8 than to the -9.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:13 pm

As far as I know, TK will enter in Aug 2019 with a 789
What is your idea about TK as new competitor
 
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In spite of the route being launched last week, Aeromexico's MEX-CLO is being suspended on Sept. 3rd. It was initially said the route would be flown by AM Connect, but it has been operated by AM mainline since its first flight last week.
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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels PVG, suspends 5 other international routes

Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:57 pm

It's all MAX related

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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels PVG, suspends 5 other international routes

Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:13 pm

EddieDude wrote:
On another subject that is not really the core of this discussion, this whole rejiggling of routes by AM makes me wonder if they should have ordered more -8s and less -9s. AM is not using the -9s' superior range performance and business class seats to NRT and ICN. MAD is not all-789... some flights are operated with the -8. I recently flew AMS-MEX on AM and it was an -8, not a -9, even though AMS is for AM a connection-galore. Was a mistake made when deciding the number of aircraft of each subtype? Don't get me wrong, I feel more 789s than 788s is more logical because the marginally higher cost of operating them is offset by the additional seats when needed and by the additional range capabilities. However, it kind of feels AM's routes are more suited to the -8 than to the -9.


= The 788 is a far more capable long range aircraft, especially the higher MTOW version than the 789.

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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels PVG, suspends 5 other international routes

Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:54 pm

x1234 wrote:
With AeroMexico using Russian airspace and pushing their B788 to the limit with MEX-ICN non-stop west-bound (similar distance to PEK), if Hainan was smart they'd make their PEK-MEX flight non-stop in both directions weight restricting it west-bound. It would drive higher yields too. CZ has no choice but to stop in YVR.


HU could use the B789 to avoid weight restrictions westbound even with MEX being so high. Same for FM (they're getting B789s off of the order book of parent MU).

As for AM, I have to wonder if twice weekly on a B789 could have helped as well, along with a retiming and changing of operational days...something like this:
AM98 MEX0005 - 0130TIJ0310 - 0740+1PVG 26
AM99 PVG2359 - 0235+1MEX 37

While that's a long time on the ground at PVG, it would be deliberate for three reasons:
1. One can collect the passengers in MEX, fly them to PVG, and then feed MU/FM at PVG.
2. One can take advantage of bypassing US and Canadian customs on the return trip and arrive at MEX with connections to the morning bank of flights connecting throughout LatAm. AM4 (CDG), AM8 (LHR), AM22 (MAD), and AM26 (AMS) are also arriving around the same time---to make the morning bank of flights at MEX. One would have to clear immigration and customs at MEX, but I don't believe one would need a visa just for transiting.
3. 16 hours on the ground gives ample time for crew rest so that the same crew can fly the plane back.

That would likely save AM some money as well as add more passengers and yield.

That said, I do wonder how much of the PVG traffic has migrated to ICN since that route has started, and if this cancellation of PVG is at the behest of parent DL, wanting to leverage KE at ICN. Before, there was only NRT and PVG for AM.
 
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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels 6 international routes

Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:06 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
much of this is max related guys. they are very short of aircraft.


According to planespotters since Feb 2018 Aeromexico has had 6 MAX delivered, and they retired 7 NG that were being leased during the same time period. Meanwhile Volaris has had 17 jets delivered in the past 2 years (including 5 A321neos).
 
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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels PVG, suspends 5 other international routes

Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:21 am

[quote="aemoreira1981"][quote="x1234"]

3. 16 hours on the ground gives ample time for crew rest so that the same crew can fly the plane back.

Hmm I’m not sure that would be legal with the same crew. Given the local departure time from MEX being a “deep night” one, and the duty time, I suspect they would have to have a local overnight.
 
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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels PVG, suspends 5 other international routes

Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:49 am

ilovepabst wrote:
I'm no mathematician but what is that, maybe $29 dollars?


I'm no linguist, but isn't 29 dollars dollars a bit redundant?
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Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels PVG, suspends 5 other international routes

Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:53 pm

Interjet is taking advantage of AM MAX's issues and has announced the launch of daily nonstop MEX-GYE two days before the last AM flight

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