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With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:59 pm

https://montrealgazette.com/business/local-business/aerospace/with-a220-output-set-to-climb-airbus-eyes-additional-facility-in-mirabel

Who has followed "Fliegerrfaust", he had already months ago stated, Airbus had asked to buy big amount of land around Mirabel/Montreal airport, connected ro the existing FAL at Mirabel. The size of the land is several times this of the existing Bombardier/Airbus area/FAL (several means dozend and more times).

So in short; new pre-assambling building, completed in 2021. The rest is known.
 
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Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:30 pm

Very interesting. Makes sense.
 
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Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:09 pm

Also good if there were any Canadian workers worried that Airbus would spin down operations.
 
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Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:12 pm

Worth noting it's an election year in Canada and Quebec is key to staying in power. Handouts will follow. Well played Mr Balducchi.

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Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:21 pm

yowza wrote:
Worth noting it's an election year in Canada and Quebec is key to staying in power. Handouts will follow. Well played Mr Balducchi.

YOWza

So, you're saying that Airbus is NOT trying to increase the output of the A220 and this is nothing but smoke and mirror?
 
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Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:41 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
yowza wrote:
Worth noting it's an election year in Canada and Quebec is key to staying in power. Handouts will follow. Well played Mr Balducchi.

YOWza

So, you're saying that Airbus is NOT trying to increase the output of the A220 and this is nothing but smoke and mirror?

What I'm saying is that Airbus needs to up production. Where they do this is largely inconsequential. By dangling this carrot right now and in this way (well ahead of actually readying a facility) the city, the province, and the federal government will give them considerations and handouts that they may not otherwise get. Of course, Airbus can then shop around these perks to other locales to match. Eiterh way you look at it A220 JV leadership is playing its cards right.

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Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:52 pm

This preFAL (or whatever it ends up being named) was also a part of the recent 5 year contract with a220 union.
https://montrealgazette.com/business/lo ... ract-offer

Details are sparse but they did mention it would create 350 jobs.
 
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Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:54 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Sorry to say, but please no stupid conspiracy bullshit. And your statement is just this and nothing else. Airbus is there to stay for 30 or 40 years, they are bound by contracts. There is a reason, why they want to buy big amount of land around the airport and the FAL They have already asked for 800% of the existing Bombardier/Airbus facility size, all connected to the existing area.Airbus is there to stay for a long time.


Do you think they'll be doing this expansion without provincial and/or national government aid? Don't be naive. Watch for the announcements.


If Airbus is eligible for an existing program; why not. But other channels exists (to apply and to ensure grants eligibility - like for ANY OTHER CANADIAN MANUFACTURING INVESTMENTS) and no need to use the medias.

I work for the feds and I'm extremely familliar with "grants and contributions" - what you guys call loans and subsidies.

Don't portray this development as a ploy to extract subsidies. That's the type of fake news / language we usually read in the National Post or even the Globe and Mail.

This pre-FAL proves Airbus is all in to make the main FAL 100% efficient. This is GREAT news.
 
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Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:55 pm

Let’s face it this will have always been part of the plan, the Mobile FAL was only ever done to get around the threat of punitive import fees associated with the DL order, had that not happened one Airbus might not even be part of the project and two the FAL would not have happened, ironically the whole of Airbus Mobile is as a result of Boeing’s influence on the political power house, Mobile was originally to be the FAL for USAF A330 based tankers, which Boeing appealed against the contract causing a rewording and reworking in their favour to get the contract (kind of ironic now just screwed up that contract is getting with delays) so that left Airbus with a site they had started work on but noting to do there so the plan arose for the A320 FAL as a mirror to the Tianjin FAL supplying aircraft in this case just for the North American market in fact I think it’s only ever delivered to US customers to date, and then the A220 FAL is started again due to Boeing pressure to the government around tariffs

So all those many people now employed at Airbus Mobile should be tanking Boeing executives for their jobs :P
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:02 pm

You all talking about yowza's post as if it was a conspiracy theory.

I think that you just don't understand how those big companies works. Obviously Airbus is here to stay, but there is also a layer of relation to create with the local political power. Timing is important.
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Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:16 pm

mwhcvt wrote:
Let’s face it this will have always been part of the plan, the Mobile FAL was only ever done to get around the threat of punitive import fees associated with the DL order, had that not happened one Airbus might not even be part of the project and two the FAL would not have happened, ironically the whole of Airbus Mobile is as a result of Boeing’s influence on the political power house, Mobile was originally to be the FAL for USAF A330 based tankers, which Boeing appealed against the contract causing a rewording and reworking in their favour to get the contract (kind of ironic now just screwed up that contract is getting with delays) so that left Airbus with a site they had started work on but noting to do there so the plan arose for the A320 FAL as a mirror to the Tianjin FAL supplying aircraft in this case just for the North American market in fact I think it’s only ever delivered to US customers to date, and then the A220 FAL is started again due to Boeing pressure to the government around tariffs

So all those many people now employed at Airbus Mobile should be tanking Boeing executives for their jobs :P


Airbus walk the talk. Cynics have become quiet.

The A220 is a strategic investment covering 120-165 seats, a big segment with good opportunity justifying investment.

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Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:49 pm

mwhcvt wrote:
Let’s face it this will have always been part of the plan, the Mobile FAL was only ever done to get around the threat of punitive import fees associated with the DL order, had that not happened one Airbus might not even be part of the project and two the FAL would not have happened, ironically the whole of Airbus Mobile is as a result of Boeing’s influence on the political power house, Mobile was originally to be the FAL for USAF A330 based tankers, which Boeing appealed against the contract causing a rewording and reworking in their favour to get the contract (kind of ironic now just screwed up that contract is getting with delays) so that left Airbus with a site they had started work on but noting to do there so the plan arose for the A320 FAL as a mirror to the Tianjin FAL supplying aircraft in this case just for the North American market in fact I think it’s only ever delivered to US customers to date, and then the A220 FAL is started again due to Boeing pressure to the government around tariffs

So all those many people now employed at Airbus Mobile should be tanking Boeing executives for their jobs :P

You're absolutely right: "thanks" for Boeing twice (the KC-45 debacle and CS100 DL Order), the Mobile FAL was first created for commercial aircraft (the KC-45 was not a commercial aircraft) and now augmented. Airbus is obviously finding it's well worth the investment.
 
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Re: With A220 output set to climb, Airbus eyes additional facility in Mirabel

Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:25 pm

I suspect Quebec is a cheaper place to manufacture (and purchase land) than in Europe or maybe even Mobile. I also believe that the A220 will mature into a winner, albeit later than it could/should have.
As far as the government $$ goes of course there will be subsidies and politicians taking credit for creating jobs yaddah, yaddah. It's the same all over the world. What bugs me with the BBD (now Airbus?) grants is how the Toronto media is repeatedly indignant (as they should be) but largely fails to criticize the $20 billion given to the southern Ontario car industry, todays Hamilton steel industry handout and so on. They also fail to point out that much of the subsidy goes to the Downsview DH-400 plant. They constantly trash BBD for the quality issues with the subway/tram cars (as they should) and then freak out when the Thunder Bay plant is wound down with the loss of 550 jobs. The hypocrisy is stunning.

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