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Gulfstream500
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California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:38 pm

It appears that CPAir’s ERJs are being sold off by a UK-based firm. Did the sale fail, or were they bought for their operator certification?

https://www.controller.com/listings/air ... -erj-145er
So... when will the Northwest DC-9s be retired?
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:08 pm

Wonder what a 20 yr old 145 is worth ?
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:14 pm

Probably nothing
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:45 pm

Call
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:46 pm

Was California Pacific one of the shortest lived airlines ever? How many weeks/days were they actually in operation?
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:51 pm

There is a market for relatively clean low hour E-145's in Africa and the Caribbean.

The only airline buying ERJ's in the US right now is Contour and they seem to prefer E-135's since they want to stay Part 135 and are therefore limited to 30 seats.

TAR in Mexico has 11 in their fleet. Are they still expanding? They could potentially be interested as well.
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:40 pm

drdisque wrote:
There is a market for relatively clean low hour E-145's in Africa and the Caribbean.

The only airline buying ERJ's in the US right now is Contour and they seem to prefer E-135's since they want to stay Part 135 and are therefore limited to 30 seats.

TAR in Mexico has 11 in their fleet. Are they still expanding? They could potentially be interested as well.


I believe JetsuiteX is also buying/leasing ERJ-135's.

The Contour E-135's are pretty nice with just 30 seats in them! I've flown them a couple of times so far.
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:42 pm

ACCS300 wrote:
Was California Pacific one of the shortest lived airlines ever? How many weeks/days were they actually in operation?


I got to fly CA Pacific on their first day of service roundtrip between SJC and Carlsbad. It was a high-risk adventure, but it worked out...barely.
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:04 pm

ACCS300 wrote:
Was California Pacific one of the shortest lived airlines ever? How many weeks/days were they actually in operation?

According to Wikipedia, November 1st, 2018 to January 17, 2019. A total of 77 days of operations, 11 weeks...
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:41 pm

However the attempt to revive Western Airlines in 2007 was shorter. January 18, 2007 to February 7, 2007 according to Wikipedia -- less than a month.
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:48 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
drdisque wrote:


I believe JetsuiteX is also buying/leasing ERJ-135's.

The Contour E-135's are pretty nice with just 30 seats in them! I've flown them a couple of times so far.


All the airplanes were on lease. JetSuite X bought the two newer ERJ-145s. The other two are still owned by European interests.
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:56 pm

MO11 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
drdisque wrote:


I believe JetsuiteX is also buying/leasing ERJ-135's.

The Contour E-135's are pretty nice with just 30 seats in them! I've flown them a couple of times so far.


All the airplanes were on lease. JetSuite X bought the two newer ERJ-145s. The other two are still owned by European interests.


Really? They are buying the larger 145's?
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:21 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
Was California Pacific one of the shortest lived airlines ever? How many weeks/days were they actually in operation?

According to Wikipedia, November 1st, 2018 to January 17, 2019. A total of 77 days of operations, 11 weeks...


Wiki is not quite correct. Their first service was supposed to be on November 1, but was delayed until the following day. And while their EAS service from DEN to two towns in South Dakota may have extended into January, their last flights in or out of Carlsbad CA were on December 23.
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:15 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
MO11 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

I believe JetsuiteX is also buying/leasing ERJ-135's.

The Contour E-135's are pretty nice with just 30 seats in them! I've flown them a couple of times so far.


All the airplanes were on lease. JetSuite X bought the two newer ERJ-145s. The other two are still owned by European interests.


Really? They are buying the larger 145's?


I'm guessing the price was right and it will have a 30-seat interior. Contour also has a 145 that was in the OneJet fleet.
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:19 pm

mga707 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
Was California Pacific one of the shortest lived airlines ever? How many weeks/days were they actually in operation?

According to Wikipedia, November 1st, 2018 to January 17, 2019. A total of 77 days of operations, 11 weeks...


Wiki is not quite correct. Their first service was supposed to be on November 1, but was delayed until the following day. And while their EAS service from DEN to two towns in South Dakota may have extended into January, their last flights in or out of Carlsbad CA were on December 23.


They actually did end up operating on November 1--just not the official inaugural flight. That's 53 days, minus the many days in-between where all flights were cancelled due to MX. Probably close to 40 flying days.
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:42 pm

On a similar note, does anyone know where both N259JQ and N286SK are ending up? Looks like 286 was sitting in SUX since CP shut down, and last week, ferried down to Queretaro to TechOps. Airfleets says it is going to JetSuiteX, but I don't really believe that.
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:28 pm

Here in Canada we're very proud of the legacy and reputation of the once great CP Air ( Canadian Pacific Airlines ) we weren't happy to see some shoddy little operation use the CP Air name and confuse California Pacific with the Canadian Pacific legacy.
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:39 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
On a similar note, does anyone know where both N259JQ and N286SK are ending up? Looks like 286 was sitting in SUX since CP shut down, and last week, ferried down to Queretaro to TechOps. Airfleets says it is going to JetSuiteX, but I don't really believe that.


You’re pretty safe believing Airfleets in this case.
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:14 am

Current Status of fleet:

N286SK: Sold to JetSuiteX (in Queretaro, Mexico)
N259JQ: Sold to JetSuiteX (in Queretaro, Mexico)
N459AD: In the process of being sold (Controller.com says the location is Windsor, UK with Skyworld aviation. Actual location is unknown).
N359AD: Status unknown. Likely stored at KFLL.
So... when will the Northwest DC-9s be retired?
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:20 am

Gulfstream500 wrote:
Current Status of fleet:


N459AD: In the process of being sold (Controller.com says the location is Windsor, UK with Skyworld aviation. Actual location is unknown).


At Sioux City
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:23 am

MO11 wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:
Current Status of fleet:


N459AD: In the process of being sold (Controller.com says the location is Windsor, UK with Skyworld aviation. Actual location is unknown).


At Sioux City


Unfortunately, flightaware is not always perfect, as I found out when tracking inbound flights (how does a plane feasibly go from IAH to ATL without taking off???). Often, repositioning flights are not in the flightaware database.
So... when will the Northwest DC-9s be retired?
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:23 am

Gulfstream500 wrote:
Current Status of fleet:

N286SK: Sold to JetSuiteX (in Queretaro, Mexico)
N259JQ: Sold to JetSuiteX (in Queretaro, Mexico)
N459AD: In the process of being sold (Controller.com says the location is Windsor, UK with Skyworld aviation. Actual location is unknown).
N359AD: Status unknown. Likely stored at KFLL.


There is a California Pacific ERJ in FLL so I would guess you are right.
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:37 am

Gulfstream500 wrote:
MO11 wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:
Current Status of fleet:


N459AD: In the process of being sold (Controller.com says the location is Windsor, UK with Skyworld aviation. Actual location is unknown).


At Sioux City


Unfortunately, flightaware is not always perfect, as I found out when tracking inbound flights (how does a plane feasibly go from IAH to ATL without taking off???). Often, repositioning flights are not in the flightaware database.


You're right. That's why I don't rely on Flightaware.
 
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Re: California Pacific’s assets being sold off?

Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:28 pm

i really wish we could get a regional carrier back at carlsbad. always thought UA should have had an SFO route rather than LAX. Some O&D in addition to the international connections. LAX was 100% connecting. these small start ups will never make it. oh well

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