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Re: Boeing website updated to match Ryanair's Boeing 737MAX200 rename.

Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:11 am

StTim wrote:
More interesting, or disturbing, they now have seats as 210.

I can’t see Ryanair going over the 200 as that would require an additional flight attendant.

Someone will fly 210. Perhaps not FR.

Best to ditch the MAX name.

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Re: Boeing website updated to match Ryanair's Boeing 737MAX200 rename.

Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:12 am

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Re: Boeing website updated to match Ryanair's Boeing 737MAX200 rename.

Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:18 am

ikolkyo wrote:
737-8-200 was the marketing name for the aircraft from the very beginning. I think the original press release for the Ryanair order from years ago had 737-8-200 on the aircraft. I know for a fact I’ve seen it around for awhile. Boeing no longer uses the -200 name themselves and simply refers to it as the High Capacity -8


I think you've got your wires crossed. Internally on official documentation it's never been a Max, only 737-7, 737-8, 737-9, 737-10, 737-8200. The Max was just a marketing name, much the same as Dreamliner is the marketing name for the 787 and not seen on any official documentation either. I don't know where HC/High Capacity stemmed from. Seems to have been made up by an amateur blogger and reposted everywhere by other bloggers as fact. :roll:

A search of the boeing.com domain for press releases and news articles only finds one mention of the phrase "high-capacity" :

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-18 ... -Airplanes

"Boeing [NYSE: BA] and four customers have signed commitments for a total of 93 737 MAX airplanes, including a carrier that has committed to 40 of the high-capacity version of the MAX 8 airplane.

[...]

The high-capacity MAX 8 variant, which can accommodate 200 seats, offers up to a 20-percent fuel efficiency improvement per seat."

That's simply there to differentiate between the 2 models - it's not capitalised so it's not a marketing name nor an official model name.
 
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Re: Boeing website updated to match Ryanair's Boeing 737MAX200 rename.

Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:19 am

Is FR seriously considering the MAX 10? I expect a maximal seating configuration there too.
 
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Re: Boeing website updated to match Ryanair's Boeing 737MAX200 rename.

Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:28 am

RobK wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
737-8-200 was the marketing name for the aircraft from the very beginning. I think the original press release for the Ryanair order from years ago had 737-8-200 on the aircraft. I know for a fact I’ve seen it around for awhile. Boeing no longer uses the -200 name themselves and simply refers to it as the High Capacity -8


I think you've got your wires crossed. Internally on official documentation it's never been a Max, only 737-7, 737-8, 737-9, 737-10, 737-8200. The Max was just a marketing name, much the same as Dreamliner is the marketing name for the 787 and not seen on any official documentation either. I don't know where HC/High Capacity stemmed from. Seems to have been made up by an amateur blogger and reposted everywhere by other bloggers as fact. :roll:

A search of the boeing.com domain for press releases and news articles only finds one mention of the phrase "high-capacity" :

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-07-18 ... -Airplanes

"Boeing [NYSE: BA] and four customers have signed commitments for a total of 93 737 MAX airplanes, including a carrier that has committed to 40 of the high-capacity version of the MAX 8 airplane.

[...]

The high-capacity MAX 8 variant, which can accommodate 200 seats, offers up to a 20-percent fuel efficiency improvement per seat."

That's simply there to differentiate between the 2 models - it's not capitalised so it's not a marketing name nor an official model name.


I’m very aware that “MAX” is a marketing name. I think you’re missing the point of my post.
 
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Re: Updated: Boeing website updated to match FR's Boeing 737MAX200 rename

Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:13 am

I hope regulators force airlines to be completely transparent about the aircraft scheduled to fly the given flight during the booking process so the consumer can choose yay or nay
 
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Re: Updated: Boeing website updated to match FR's Boeing 737MAX200 rename

Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:13 pm

How about 737 FIX 800?
 
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Re: Updated: Boeing website updated to match FR's Boeing 737MAX200 rename

Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:32 pm

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I hope regulators force airlines to be completely transparent about the aircraft scheduled to fly the given flight during the booking process so the consumer can choose yay or nay


What would you call this plane then?
 
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Re: Updated: Boeing website updated to match FR's Boeing 737MAX200 rename

Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:43 am

airzona11 wrote:
INFINITI329 wrote:
I hope regulators force airlines to be completely transparent about the aircraft scheduled to fly the given flight during the booking process so the consumer can choose yay or nay


What would you call this plane then?


Leave it the way it is. Putting lipstick on a pig doesn't change the fact that it is a pig.
 
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Re: Boeing website updated to match Ryanair's Boeing 737MAX200 rename.

Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:07 am

Gulfstream500 wrote:
https://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max/

Well this is interesting, as the 737MAX200's name has just been updated to match Ryanair's naming for it (B737-8-200) on the specification information website.

737 MAX 8
Seats (2-class): 162 – 178
Maximum seats: 210 220 230
Range nm (km): 3,550 (6,570) 3,5
Length: 39.52 m (129 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 35.9 m (117 ft 10 in)
Engine: LEAP-1B from CFM International
210 seats: 737-8-200 *

Pretty sure nothing has changed since a month ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20190620082 ... al/737max/
 
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Re: Updated: Boeing website updated to match FR's Boeing 737MAX200 rename

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:13 pm

So it appears that Boeing is removing the "737 MAX" from the noses of the painted 737-8 200 MAX at Renton. A friend sent me a picture of 7534 EI-HAV with no "737 MAX" on the nose. I'll try and grab a picture tomorrow when I visit Renton.
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Re: Updated: Boeing website updated to match FR's Boeing 737MAX200 rename

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:40 pm

I never liked that MAX name. Just let them be 737-7, -8, -9 and -10! Simple as that.
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Re: Updated: Boeing website updated to match FR's Boeing 737MAX200 rename

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:51 pm

DLHAM wrote:
I never liked that MAX name. Just let them be 737-7, -8, -9 and -10! Simple as that.


Agreed. No need for any name at all.
 
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Re: 737-8200?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:09 am

Cubsrule wrote:

I dunno. I’m not sure the public cares about type names at all. I travel a ton for work but most of my coworkers with similar travel patterns aren’t into aviation. Even they don’t know or remember types most of the time (my best-traveled partner recently couldn’t differentiate between a 330 and a 777). The 380 and 787 might be slightly different because they are relatively unique inside, but that’s a lot different from various flavors of 32x or 737.


My sister-in-law flew LHR to SFO on an A380. She was seated upstairs in Premium Economy. I know, I paid for the ticket and monitored her inbound flight, then collected her upon arrival from SFO. Still, she was adamant when she arrived it was “a Boeing-something” equally, that it didn’t have an upstairs. She didn’t even realise she was in Premium Economy, but we can perhaps blame that on BA’s poor standards in W.

Back on topic: how feasible would it be for Boeing to release a facelift of the 737-Max? If a equivalent catastrophic blunder happened in the automotive world, the car company would release a facelift of the offending vehicle with a new model code. Even if it is just lipstick on a pig, the facelift and new model code could work wonders in erasing the catastrophe from buyers’ minds. Example: the 2012 Honda Civic.

Could Boeing ‘do a Honda’?
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Re: Updated: Boeing website updated to match FR's Boeing 737MAX200 rename

Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:28 am

WoodysAeroimag wrote:
So it appears that Boeing is removing the "737 MAX" from the noses of the painted 737-8 200 MAX at Renton. A friend sent me a picture of 7534 EI-HAV with no "737 MAX" on the nose. I'll try and grab a picture tomorrow when I visit Renton.


You already posted about this last week and it was your original tweet that sparked the thread. How many versions of the same story do we need?
 
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Re: Updated: Boeing website updated to match FR's Boeing 737MAX200 rename

Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:17 am

RobK wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:
So it appears that Boeing is removing the "737 MAX" from the noses of the painted 737-8 200 MAX at Renton. A friend sent me a picture of 7534 EI-HAV with no "737 MAX" on the nose. I'll try and grab a picture tomorrow when I visit Renton.


You already posted about this last week and it was your original tweet that sparked the thread. How many versions of the same story do we need?


I posted that they changed it from "737 MAX" to "737-8200" last week. This is different, as they are completely removing it from the nose now.
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Re: 737-8200?

Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:33 am

vhtje wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

I dunno. I’m not sure the public cares about type names at all. I travel a ton for work but most of my coworkers with similar travel patterns aren’t into aviation. Even they don’t know or remember types most of the time (my best-traveled partner recently couldn’t differentiate between a 330 and a 777). The 380 and 787 might be slightly different because they are relatively unique inside, but that’s a lot different from various flavors of 32x or 737.


My sister-in-law flew LHR to SFO on an A380. She was seated upstairs in Premium Economy. I know, I paid for the ticket and monitored her inbound flight, then collected her upon arrival from SFO. Still, she was adamant when she arrived it was “a Boeing-something” equally, that it didn’t have an upstairs. She didn’t even realise she was in Premium Economy, but we can perhaps blame that on BA’s poor standards in W.

Back on topic: how feasible would it be for Boeing to release a facelift of the 737-Max? If a equivalent catastrophic blunder happened in the automotive world, the car company would release a facelift of the offending vehicle with a new model code. Even if it is just lipstick on a pig, the facelift and new model code could work wonders in erasing the catastrophe from buyers’ minds. Example: the 2012 Honda Civic.

Could Boeing ‘do a Honda’?


They could call it 737-Ultra. 737-Dependable. 737-Super. 737-Magnificent.

Otherwise, why not just call it a 737-8 / 737-9 or whatever and be done with it.

In the car world, catastrophic blunders aren't particularly common, of recent we can think of VAG diesel-gate scandal (cars didn't crash) or before that probably the most graphic is the Mercedes-Benz CLR which in certain conditions at high speed was prone to lifting off and flipping over. Nobody died in those, but it was a similarly catastrophic design failure. They didn't rebrand it, they didn't bother to re-engineer it - they just withdrew the model completely and left the series. As far as I'm aware, one car (003) is in hands of a collector and I think none of the others are driven. It is all but forgotten.

I cannot think of any other catastrophic events of recent in cars that match the 737-Max disaster.

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