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British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:54 pm

Appears quite sudden.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49059700

Any other airline doing so?
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:56 pm

BA has historically been the most cautious of all and is quick to cancel flights. I recall they did the same to other middle eastern destinations in the past while others continued to operate.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:58 pm

Sudden? When it is a safety threat, you don't run just a few flights more. You stop operating. Period.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:13 pm

What will be interesting is if others cease flights, And why it's only for seven days.
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:17 pm

a320fan wrote:
What will be interesting is if others cease flights, And why it's only for seven days.


Probably to reassess the situation and cancel further flights if necessary.
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:38 pm

The UK Foreign Office updated its travel warning for Egypt yesterday, pointing out additional security measures are needed for flights from Egypt to the UK.
This is certainly linked to that.

Perhaps BA needs a week to review and/or implement these "additional security measures."
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:53 pm

berari wrote:
BA has historically been the most cautious of all and is quick to cancel flights. I recall they did the same to other middle eastern destinations in the past while others continued to operate.


They might have learnt from BA149 on 2 Aug 90 and decided that being more cautious and careful is a good idea.
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:47 pm

If BA has intelligence to suggest a threat or breach of security, good on them for acting fast.

It will be interesting to see if this has a ripple affect for other Euro carriers or indeed any other international airlines. If it does, it may suggest something worrying, rather than just a “review of security”.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:45 pm

LH cancelling their flights now too.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:48 pm

FCAFLYBOY wrote:
If BA has intelligence to suggest a threat or breach of security, good on them for acting fast.

It will be interesting to see if this has a ripple affect for other Euro carriers or indeed any other international airlines. If it does, it may suggest something worrying, rather than just a “review of security”.

LH has suspended their flights too.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:11 pm

Well I hope they don’t keep everyone in The dark. At least they should make it public if the threat was against BA specifically or all foreign airlines? People need to know these things. I assume news out of Egypt isn’t going to be reliable either.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:13 pm

AF and AZ not cancelled yet.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:16 pm

randomdude83 wrote:
Well I hope they don’t keep everyone in The dark. At least they should make it public if the threat was against BA specifically or all foreign airlines? People need to know these things. I assume news out of Egypt isn’t going to be reliable either.

"They" (BA? MI6?...) need do no such thing. They need to keep their passengers and crew safe, and track and neutralize the threat. This isn't an action thriller movie, this is reality.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:33 pm

And now Lufthansa too..I wonder who next
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:36 pm

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And now Lufthansa too..I wonder who next


confirmed: https://www.ft.com/content/c65fc17e-ab2 ... 0adfa879c2

Surely could be because of Iran's illegal ship seizure of a british ship?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49059066
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:40 pm

lesfalls wrote:
afriwing wrote:
And now Lufthansa too..I wonder who next


confirmed: https://www.ft.com/content/c65fc17e-ab2 ... 0adfa879c2

Surely could be because of Iran's illegal ship seizure of a british ship?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49059066

Wouldn't have thought so. Egypt has enough of its own home-made terrorist threats. Remember MetroJet? Russia sure does...
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:44 pm

There are passenger reports that last week there were British security personnel checking pax before boarding BA from CAI.
Someone at MI6 knows something. Probably requested action from Egyptian airport security authorities but those were dragging their legs. Hence the one week warning.
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:26 pm

I suspect that AF has to be next..
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:24 pm

Lufthansa confirms flights to CAI will resume as normal from today (Sunday)
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:29 pm

What is going on in Egypt now? I haven't heard anything. All the recent news has been centered on Iran.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:54 pm

berari wrote:
BA has historically been the most cautious of all and is quick to cancel flights. I recall they did the same to other middle eastern destinations in the past while others continued to operate.


Best joke ever, tell this the victims of flight BA149! :ziplip:
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:22 am

Nobody knows. Allegedly not even Egypt itself. Egyptian media is reporting that BA never formally informed CAI of the cancellations and that British security experts were on the ground in Egypt assessing airport security in both CAI and HRG last week and again, allegedly, were very satisfied and gave excellent ratings. Rumour circulating now is that this may have something to do with the seizure of British tankers in Iran and a fear of an Iranian retaliation of some sort on British aircraft, but this doesn’t explain why CAI specifically. Flights to DXB for example are not impacted. Lufthansa only cancelled last night’s flights from FRA and MUC but following initial assessment is now resuming all flights again as of this morning. No other airlines cancelled flights, not even SU (who cancelled CAI for two years following the Metrojet incident due to security concerns). BA says it will resume all flights in seven days but doesn’t explain any further. Ironically, they don’t seem to have any issues rebooking passengers onto Egyptair to CAI. So it may not be about fear for passenger safety as initially thought but rather out of fear that something may happen to their aircraft. All assumptions at this point
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:17 am

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Nobody knows. Allegedly not even Egypt itself. Egyptian media is reporting that BA never formally informed CAI of the cancellations and that British security experts were on the ground in Egypt assessing airport security in both CAI and HRG last week and again, allegedly, were very satisfied and gave excellent ratings. Rumour circulating now is that this may have something to do with the seizure of British tankers in Iran and a fear of an Iranian retaliation of some sort on British aircraft, but this doesn’t explain why CAI specifically. Flights to DXB for example are not impacted. Lufthansa only cancelled last night’s flights from FRA and MUC but following initial assessment is now resuming all flights again as of this morning. No other airlines cancelled flights, not even SU (who cancelled CAI for two years following the Metrojet incident due to security concerns). BA says it will resume all flights in seven days but doesn’t explain any further. Ironically, they don’t seem to have any issues rebooking passengers onto Egyptair to CAI. So it may not be about fear for passenger safety as initially thought but rather out of fear that something may happen to their aircraft. All assumptions at this point

Or a specific security threat towards BA aircraft, passengers or staff? I highly doubt BA is doing this just for the kicks of it.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:49 am

If BA feel the threat is real I guess they have pulled the crew who were already there?
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:21 am

Nobody knows. Allegedly not even Egypt itself. Egyptian media is reporting that BA never formally informed CAI of the cancellations and that British security experts were on the ground in Egypt assessing airport security in both CAI and HRG last week and again, allegedly, were very satisfied and gave excellent ratings. Rumour circulating now is that this may have something to do with the seizure of British tankers in Iran and a fear of an Iranian retaliation of some sort on British aircraft, but this doesn’t explain why CAI specifically. Flights to DXB for example are not impacted. Lufthansa only cancelled last night’s flights from FRA and MUC but following initial assessment is now resuming all flights again as of this morning. No other airlines cancelled flights, not even SU (who cancelled CAI for two years following the Metrojet incident due to security concerns). BA says it will resume all flights in seven days but doesn’t explain any further. Ironically, they don’t seem to have any issues rebooking passengers onto Egyptair to CAI. So it may not be about fear for passenger safety as initially thought but rather out of fear that something may happen to their aircraft. All assumptions at this point



Threat on Aviation exist since 1930s or even 1910s. The 1st ever attack against civil aviation was never solved (United Airlines Chesterton crash in 1933). The 1st ever recorded aircraft hijacking happened in 1931, in Peru.

There are some periods where the threat is higher. Authorites have to take more measures to avoid attacks. If AF or other airlines still flying to Cairo, it doens't mean that they don't take some measures or they are not evaluating the measure took by Egyptians. Based on many factors, some airlines landing at Paris, Cairo, Tokyo, New York or Johannesburg, add more security rules, such as aircraft search.

There are people (Airlines, Civil Aviation,...) that check if the aircraft search is well done, like UK does when they make audits in Airports. If audits are not good, measures will be take to fix problems. If BA thinks, that based on level of the threat and on audit, securitry rules in Cairo Airport needs to be improved, it's not suprising to see them to suspend flights to Cairo.

Aviation Security is a combination of human and material resources to safeguard civil aviation against unlawful interference. The goal is to avoid an attack. If nothing happens, it's because the system works well, although some security rules can be criticized, and sometimes the system fails to avoid an attack. Aviation Security is not only to remove your 150ml water bottle. There are a lots of works, in the background. Intelligence plays a big role.
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:32 am

BA must have a direct line to the river house. Wasn’t BA also starting to avoid eastern Ukrainian airspace a few days before the attack on MH?
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:14 am

LH has resumed and is today already flying to Cairo as regular again. According news, BA has cancelled all flights for one week.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:20 am

Obviously the security services have identified a threat and this is a precaution. Better to do that than have a 787 with 200+ people onboard scattered over the med.
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:07 pm

It's highly unclear what's the reason for BA temporarily suspending CAI is. The vague wording of BA's statement has only contributed to people assuming the worst.
Worth noting that MS to LHR remain unaffected, and that other UK airlines like easyjet are operating to Egypt normally.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:50 pm

What is significant is that the cancellations were done so late that both passengers and BA staff were caught unawares. One passenger said that her boarding pass failed to open the security barrier at LHR, she had it reissued by check-in staff but it failed again. She also said that she received no help from the staff.

Also, passengers trying to rebook are having a hard time as the only availability on the BA0155 LHR-CAI flight isn't until Monday 29 July with just one seat in Club World and two in World Traveller Plus in the 214-seat 788 as I write this post.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:09 pm

According to a lot of my Egyptian friends the only reason that BA decided to cancel all flights for a week is the following:
On Friday there was the final of the CAF soccer competition, Algeria was the winner, so far so good.
Thousands of Algerian fans were flown to Cairo on military planes before the final, those planes dropped the fans and went back home, never to return to pick them up. Knowing how disciplined Algerian fans are (not), you have thousands of them occupying a large area of the airport awaiting the Algerian government to move there butts and find a solution to return all those (not) friendly fans back home.
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:17 pm

SOBHI51 wrote:
According to a lot of my Egyptian friends the only reason that BA decided to cancel all flights for a week is the following:
On Friday there was the final of the CAF soccer competition, Algeria was the winner, so far so good.
Thousands of Algerian fans were flown to Cairo on military planes before the final, those planes dropped the fans and went back home, never to return to pick them up. Knowing how disciplined Algerian fans are (not), you have thousands of them occupying a large area of the airport awaiting the Algerian government to move there butts and find a solution to return all those (not) friendly fans back home.

What does that have to do with anything ...
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:19 pm

santi319 wrote:
SOBHI51 wrote:
According to a lot of my Egyptian friends the only reason that BA decided to cancel all flights for a week is the following:
On Friday there was the final of the CAF soccer competition, Algeria was the winner, so far so good.
Thousands of Algerian fans were flown to Cairo on military planes before the final, those planes dropped the fans and went back home, never to return to pick them up. Knowing how disciplined Algerian fans are (not), you have thousands of them occupying a large area of the airport awaiting the Algerian government to move there butts and find a solution to return all those (not) friendly fans back home.

What does that have to do with anything ...


Maybe BA was afirad that there would be unrest at the airport if football fans clashed with the police?
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:45 pm

For seven days?.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:50 pm

santi319 wrote:
SOBHI51 wrote:
According to a lot of my Egyptian friends the only reason that BA decided to cancel all flights for a week is the following:
On Friday there was the final of the CAF soccer competition, Algeria was the winner, so far so good.
Thousands of Algerian fans were flown to Cairo on military planes before the final, those planes dropped the fans and went back home, never to return to pick them up. Knowing how disciplined Algerian fans are (not), you have thousands of them occupying a large area of the airport awaiting the Algerian government to move there butts and find a solution to return all those (not) friendly fans back home.

What does that have to do with anything ...


The fans are all over the airport, they even occupied the check in desk area.
Ask the French how a handful of supporters created havoc in Paris. So what do you think over 15000 supporters can do in an airport with nowhere to go?
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:51 pm

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For seven days?.



LH only canceled for one day, BA could be over reacting.
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:47 pm

Sky News suggests people may have been able to get air side without going through security procedures. Nothing confirmed.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:30 pm

Remember BA kept the ban on laptops in cabin bags in place much longer on their routes (including CAI) than other carriers, and long after the governments had lifted the requirement. So we have history of BA being cautious on the CAI route.

mywaterbroke wrote:
.... British security experts were on the ground in Egypt assessing airport security in both CAI and HRG last week....


That can happen? A sovereign country willingly allows a foreign country to assess its security procedures? Presumably to do a good enough and thorough assessment, they would need access to some very sensitive areas and information. I can see commercial reasons and pressures for allowing it, but given the sensitivity of it, I am amazed any country allows it - I would have thought the sensitivity on sovereign matters outweighs the commercials? For example, military involvement in the nation’s security. It also begs the question: who were these “security experts”? Government agencies? Commercial consultants? If commercial, hired by whom, and what are the consultants’ qualifications to make assessment?
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:37 pm

According to a lot of my Egyptian friends the only reason that BA decided to cancel all flights for a week is the following:
On Friday there was the final of the CAF soccer competition, Algeria was the winner, so far so good.
Thousands of Algerian fans were flown to Cairo on military planes before the final, those planes dropped the fans and went back home, never to return to pick them up. Knowing how disciplined Algerian fans are (not), you have thousands of them occupying a large area of the airport awaiting the Algerian government to move there butts and find a solution to return all those (not) friendly fans back home.


Threat against the airline, not related the Algerians fans riots.

Suspension of flights 'has nothing to do with Cairo airport': British Airways official

British Airways' abrupt decision to suspend flights to Cairo for seven days is not related to security concerns at the Cairo airport, an official at the airline told ABC News on Sunday.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/su ... d=64471123

There’s a heightened risk of terrorism against aviation. Additional security measures are in place for flights departing from Egypt to the UK. You should co-operate fully with security officials at airports. See Terrorism and Air travel

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/egypt
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:41 pm

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Nobody knows. Allegedly not even Egypt itself. Egyptian media is reporting that BA never formally informed CAI of the cancellations and that British security experts were on the ground in Egypt assessing airport security in both CAI and HRG last week and again, allegedly, were very satisfied and gave excellent ratings. Rumour circulating now is that this may have something to do with the seizure of British tankers in Iran and a fear of an Iranian retaliation of some sort on British aircraft, but this doesn’t explain why CAI specifically. Flights to DXB for example are not impacted. Lufthansa only cancelled last night’s flights from FRA and MUC but following initial assessment is now resuming all flights again as of this morning. No other airlines cancelled flights, not even SU (who cancelled CAI for two years following the Metrojet incident due to security concerns). BA says it will resume all flights in seven days but doesn’t explain any further. Ironically, they don’t seem to have any issues rebooking passengers onto Egyptair to CAI. So it may not be about fear for passenger safety as initially thought but rather out of fear that something may happen to their aircraft. All assumptions at this point


Lol...maybe we are exaggerating a bit? Retaliation? On a civilian aircraft? A lot of ppl might claim that Iranias are a lot of things but for sure they are not stupid...Even North Korea is not on that level.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:45 pm

That can happen? A sovereign country willingly allows a foreign country to assess its security procedures? Presumably to do a good enough and thorough assessment, they would need access to some very sensitive areas and information. I can see commercial reasons and pressures for allowing it, but given the sensitivity of it, I am amazed any country allows it - I would have thought the sensitivity on sovereign matters outweighs the commercials? For example, military involvement in the nation’s security. It also begs the question: who were these “security experts”? Government agencies? Commercial consultants? If commercial, hired by whom, and what are the consultants’ qualifications to make assessment?


Each country create an national aviation security program based on the ICAO Annex 17. It can add more securirty rules, depending the threat in the country. For Europeans countries you have Regulation 2015/1998.. Ex: France will create its own National Security Program using both Annex 17 and European Reglementation & it will be based on the level of threat and on laws in the country (USA and France doesn't have same laws ). Then each airport has its own local security program (at least in France. I don't how it works in USA, UK,....)


In some countries, there are a lack of implementation of global standards, (old equipements, lack of coordination,...). When Air France operates a flight from Paris to a high risk country. They know that from France, security will be ok, but they don't know, if in the high risk country, security will be ok. Air France wants to be sure that passengers, bags have been screened and the aircraft cleared, when the flight will fly back to France. That's why some civil aviation authorities make audits in some countries, to see if everything is ok. EU make audits in all airports, in Europe.

TSA / Homeland Security make audits, in airports that will be linked or already linked to USA. Here is an exemple with Bonnaire Airport:
BIA Completes TSA Security Audit with Exceptional Results http://www.bonaireinternationalairport. ... l-results/

European relugations https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... 03&from=EN
ICAO global aviation security: https://www.icao.int/SAM/Documents/2018 ... 017_en.pdf
ICAO Annex17 (1st version in 1974, currently it's the 9th) https://www.icao.int/Security/SFP/Pages/Annex17.aspx
ECAC Aviation Security Audit Programme.: https://www.ecac-ceac.org/ecac-aviation ... y-auditors
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:49 pm

Well.. BA now officially confirmed that the cancellations had nothing to do with security at Cairo Airport but were rather due to terrorist threats against aviation in general. The British ambassador in Egypt apologised and made a formal statement that BA’s cancellations were not a result of any government or foreign office warning. Lufthansa resumed all flights as normal and Egyptair still continues to operate twice daily between CAI and LHR. LX, OS, AF, AZ, SU etc. never cancelled any flights and other British airlines flying between the UK and Egypt (eg EasyJet)also continued to fly as normal. So what could BA’s reason really be?

Just for kicks.. BA had initially planned to downgrade the CAI route during that specific week from B787 to A320NEO (due to engine checks carried out on their B787s). A few flights already operated with the A320N and a lot of passengers apparently complained. The media also reports that they are planning to contract Air Belgium to fly the CAI route temporarily until the B787 issues are sorted out. Not outright suggesting that BA would cancel the route abruptly due to issues with their B787s and claim security threats but it’s a theory going around at the moment in Egypt. The one theory with the Algerian fans seems a desperate attempt for Egyptians to explain the cancellation in light of lack of info. But what is peculiar is that only BA cancelled and no other airlines followed (except LH on only two flights as a precaution)
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:55 pm

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Well.. BA now officially confirmed that the cancellations had nothing to do with security at Cairo Airport but were rather due to terrorist threats against aviation in general. The British ambassador in Egypt apologised and made a formal statement that BA’s cancellations were not a result of any government or foreign office warning. Lufthansa resumed all flights as normal and Egyptair still continues to operate twice daily between CAI and LHR. LX, OS, AF, AZ, SU etc. never cancelled any flights and other British airlines flying between the UK and Egypt (eg EasyJet)also continued to fly as normal. So what could BA’s reason really be?

Just for kicks.. BA had initially planned to downgrade the CAI route during that specific week from B787 to A320NEO (due to engine checks carried out on their B787s). A few flights already operated with the A320N and a lot of passengers apparently complained. The media also reports that they are planning to contract Air Belgium to fly the CAI route temporarily until the B787 issues are sorted out. Not outright suggesting that BA would cancel the route abruptly due to issues with their B787s and claim security threats but it’s a theory going around at the moment in Egypt. The one theory with the Algerian fans seems a desperate attempt for Egyptians to explain the cancellation in light of lack of info. But what is peculiar is that only BA cancelled and no other airlines followed (except LH on only two flights as a precaution)

Again: peculiar only if you are not familiar with the nature of the threat. Would you still say it is "peculiar" if a threat towards BA specifically had been picked up by the security apparatus?
 
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mywaterbroke wrote:
Well.. BA now officially confirmed that the cancellations had nothing to do with security at Cairo Airport but were rather due to terrorist threats against aviation in general. The British ambassador in Egypt apologised and made a formal statement that BA’s cancellations were not a result of any government or foreign office warning. Lufthansa resumed all flights as normal and Egyptair still continues to operate twice daily between CAI and LHR. LX, OS, AF, AZ, SU etc. never cancelled any flights and other British airlines flying between the UK and Egypt (eg EasyJet)also continued to fly as normal. So what could BA’s reason really be?

Just for kicks.. BA had initially planned to downgrade the CAI route during that specific week from B787 to A320NEO (due to engine checks carried out on their B787s). A few flights already operated with the A320N and a lot of passengers apparently complained. The media also reports that they are planning to contract Air Belgium to fly the CAI route temporarily until the B787 issues are sorted out. Not outright suggesting that BA would cancel the route abruptly due to issues with their B787s and claim security threats but it’s a theory going around at the moment in Egypt. The one theory with the Algerian fans seems a desperate attempt for Egyptians to explain the cancellation in light of lack of info. But what is peculiar is that only BA cancelled and no other airlines followed (except LH on only two flights as a precaution)


It's always entertaining to hear the conspiracy theories from a bunch of clueless imbeciles.

British Airways is an airline with considerable amount of money being spent on security. Indeed, like El Al, high security is one of the reasons why many people choose to fly with the airline. It has taken years to start flying to Islamabad and the airline would have been flying to more places if it wasn't for the security issues at the outstations. Any incident would have catastrophic consequences for the business and airlines such as BA do not take even the smallest of risks when faced with security threats.

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to think BA decided to cancel the route for the next 7 days two hours prior to the departure of its next flight because it suddenly found itself without an aircraft. There are departments in any airline that plan the operation and required aircraft numbers for the next few days, weeks and months ahead. There are contingency plans in place in an event of a single or multiple aircraft being unserviceable and I can assure you that cancelling a route for the next seven days on the day of departure is not one of them.
 
mywaterbroke
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:01 pm

Whatever the threat, BA is refusing to disclose it. And again it comes at a time when they are having serious issues with aircraft availability for the route - that’s all I’m saying. Yesterday was the first day BA were to fly the B787 to CAI after a week or so of A32N. If there were a genuine threat, there would be a statement from the British FO. Travel advice to Egypt would be updated. Potentially other airlines would follow and cancel. BA wouldn’t just rebook passengers onto other flights (especially not on EgyptAir). As a passenger, you should be in your right to cancel your flight if you are worried about the situation in Egypt and expect a full refund (BA passengers booked to/from CAI were denied that). You wouldn’t have the British ambassador apologising publicly on air to Egypt or even BA itself acknowledging that the cancellations have nothing to do with security in CAI. What then? Also, why cancel for seven days and not indefinitely? What will change exactly in seven days while they “reassess”? It’s strange to say the least.

Lufthansa cancelled two flights as a precaution then backtracked. Today LH582 touched down in CAI with a bit of a delay but without issues. All other airlines are operating normally.

For what it’s worth, BA is getting really bad press in Egypt at the moment (for obvious reasons). Egyptians are taking the mick on social media re: security at British airports, where a 13 year old recently boarded a BA flight at LHR to LAX without a boarding pass. But aside from the bad PR, MS is a clear winner here. They upgraded their aircraft to LON and are selling seats at extortionate prices. It’s summer and flights are just busy. Until BA properly explains its reasons, we’ll never really know
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:24 pm

BA like any other reputable business or government will not disclose the details which defines the whole idea of intelligence and surveillance.

You can say or write whatever you want but what you do write or say discloses how little you know about aviation security and airline's operations.

Failing to act on intelligence or gather one in the first place results in incidents such as MS804 and 7K9268, beautiful examples of the standards of the Egyptian security.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:44 pm

There is no need to be rude. This is an open forum and you can at the very least try to be constructive with your views without being insulting. I didn’t come on here to aggressively defend Egypt or CAI. Funny enough it was our British ambassador who did. And, like I said, BA formally acknowledged that the official reason for the cancellations has nothing to do with security in Egypt but with terrorist threats against aviation in general. If this is true then we should all be very concerned. I am merely stating my views on here and what I’m coming across on Egyptian social media and like everyone else trying to speculate the reasons behind the flight cancellations (and why they are getting so much airtime in the media). You can of course disagree in a constructive way. And for the record MS804 departed from CDG, not from CAI. Nothing to do with security in Egypt
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:04 am

I'm well aware of where MS804 originated.
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:12 am

British Airways is an airline with considerable amount of money being spent on security. Indeed, like El Al, high security is one of the reasons why many people choose to fly with the airline. It has taken years to start flying to Islamabad and the airline would have been flying to more places if it wasn't for the security issues at the outstations. Any incident would have catastrophic consequences for the business and airlines such as BA do not take even the smallest of risks when faced with security threats.


Agree with you. After the hijaking of the Air France Algiers Paris flight in 1994, all French airlines suspended their flights to Algeria. Even before the AF 1994 hijacking, Air France took some measures, due to the threat.

"Air France has stepped up its security in recent months, leaving only two foreign employees and no planes in Algeria overnight" https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 00b44da942

Aigle Azur, Air Littoral and Air Lib were the 1st French airlines to resume flights in 2002 to Algeria. Air France resumed flights in 2003, after Algeria upgraded its Aviation Secuirty.

Air France Resumes Flights To Algeria. viewtopic.php?t=202427

In the Air France case, terrorists had accomplice among the Airport staff. It was a member of the Border Police. In Aviation security we call this "Insider Threat" and currently it's probably one of the biggest threat for Aviation Seucirity

"The boarding of four armed men in blue uniforms with Air Algerie identification badges caused no alarm. Explaining they were security agents, the men proceeded to check the passengers' passports." http://content.time.com/time/magazine/a ... 87,00.html

On 24 December 1994, at Houari Boumedienne airport in Algiers, and thanks to the complicity of a border police inspector, four armed men arrive at the base of the aircraft in a vehicle bearing the Air France label. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prise_d%2 ... Air_France (French Wiki)

Security: The hidden ‘insider’ threat of the aviation sector https://www.internationalairportreview. ... on-sector/
 
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Re: British Airways flights to Cairo cancelled

Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:28 pm

Draken21fx wrote:
Lol...maybe we are exaggerating a bit? Retaliation? On a civilian aircraft? A lot of ppl might claim that Iranias are a lot of things but for sure they are not stupid...Even North Korea is not on that level.

Retaliation can also mean grounding the aircraft for obscure reasons, or threats to the crew, e. g. imprisonment or abduction.

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