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VA flights to LAS

Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:04 pm

Noticed that VA flew:

July 12th - BNE-LAS where it sat for a few hours then flew LAS-LAX
July 14th - LAX-LAS-LAX

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVOZ

Anyone know why they operated flights to LAS these days?
 
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Re: VA flights to LAS

Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:08 pm

The Flight Centre global gathering was in Vegas that weekend. They regularly charter flights to carry staff to these events.
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Re: VA flights to LAS

Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:43 pm

a320fan wrote:
The Flight Centre global gathering was in Vegas that weekend. They regularly charter flights to carry staff to these events.

:checkmark:
These flights were staff charters for FCTG
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Re: VA flights to LAS

Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:50 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
a320fan wrote:
The Flight Centre global gathering was in Vegas that weekend. They regularly charter flights to carry staff to these events.

:checkmark:
These flights were staff charters for FCTG


Thank you both!
 
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Re: VA flights to LAS

Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:35 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
a320fan wrote:
The Flight Centre global gathering was in Vegas that weekend. They regularly charter flights to carry staff to these events.

:checkmark:
These flights were staff charters for FCTG


Thank you both!


There was an ANZ 773 that also operated to LAS that morning.
 
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Re: VA flights to LAS

Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:08 am

crownvic wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
:checkmark:
These flights were staff charters for FCTG


Thank you both!


There was an ANZ 773 that also operated to LAS that morning.


Next year's location is BNE, so interesting to see if they do charters next year, and where from inbound to BNE.
 
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Re: VA flights to LAS

Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:28 am

except foreign aircraft aren't supposed to do charters within the US... had a huge huge blow-up with Air Canada about this years ago when they flew some hockey teams to the States, and then to another US point. Almost *every* US Airline complained to the DOT about it.
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Re: VA flights to LAS

Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:10 am

usxguy wrote:
except foreign aircraft aren't supposed to do charters within the US... had a huge huge blow-up with Air Canada about this years ago when they flew some hockey teams to the States, and then to another US point. Almost *every* US Airline complained to the DOT about it.


I don’t think they did charter in the US domestically though.
12 July BNE-LAS was the charter, then repositioned to LAX for a regular commercial flight

14 July would be the opposite, position LAX-LAS to then charter LAS-BNE
 
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Re: VA flights to LAS

Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:20 am

Obzerva wrote:
crownvic wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

Thank you both!


There was an ANZ 773 that also operated to LAS that morning.


Next year's location is BNE, so interesting to see if they do charters next year, and where from inbound to BNE.

If next year's location is BNE, I wouldn't expect any charters with FC staff just travelling on the many available domestic services. It's a bit of a come-down from Vegas; I assume the bean-counters are happy though.
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Re: VA flights to LAS

Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:21 am

It is indeed Brisbane, and a "come down" is a polite way of expressing many people's opinion!

There could well be a charter ex-NZ, but time will tell
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Re: VA flights to LAS

Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:23 am

usxguy wrote:
except foreign aircraft aren't supposed to do charters within the US... had a huge huge blow-up with Air Canada about this years ago when they flew some hockey teams to the States, and then to another US point. Almost *every* US Airline complained to the DOT about it.


QF are operating a SYD-LAX-MCO charter in January 2020. That's fine because it is a connection to the ex-Australia flight, the same as QF's daily LAX-JFK, and not carrying local traffic.

The LAS-LAX-BNE is the same, it is a connection to Australia. If I had to guess VA9014 operated LAS-LAX-BNE due to range limitations westbound against the wind, but I could be wrong. The LAS-LAX and LAX-LAS are repositioning flights without passengers.
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Re: VA flights to LAS

Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:24 am

I read on another site what a big win hurrah next year's conference is for BNE and it's like, do you not see what's going on? As correctly stated above, the FC bean counters are hard at work, especially as one of their largest divisions, Australian leisure, isn't doing as well considering the disposable income pressures at the moment. Maybe they will charter a flight ex LAX for all the North American based staff- we'll see.
 
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Re: VA flights to LAS

Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:05 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
usxguy wrote:
except foreign aircraft aren't supposed to do charters within the US... had a huge huge blow-up with Air Canada about this years ago when they flew some hockey teams to the States, and then to another US point. Almost *every* US Airline complained to the DOT about it.


QF are operating a SYD-LAX-MCO charter in January 2020. That's fine because it is a connection to the ex-Australia flight, the same as QF's daily LAX-JFK, and not carrying local traffic.

The LAS-LAX-BNE is the same, it is a connection to Australia. If I had to guess VA9014 operated LAS-LAX-BNE due to range limitations westbound against the wind, but I could be wrong. The LAS-LAX and LAX-LAS are repositioning flights without passengers.


You are on the right track. LAS-BNE would have been slightly shorter than LAX-SYD however when you take both the heat and altitude of LAS performance wise it would have came out worse than LAX-MEL which already operates with a payload restriction. To put things in perspective both VA's LAX-SYD and LAX-MEL hold and burn similar amounts of fuel, as mentioned MEL is payload restricted (i.e. less cargo) where SYD is not. This would have weighed the decision of operating LAS-LAX-BNE versus LAS-BNE, with the LAX-BNE not suffering from any payload restrictions where the latter would have.
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