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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:10 pm

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To me - it was WONDERFUL! As soon as I turned 12 in the 60s - my folks let me fly to JFK for the day (thank you TWA for the $12 Saturday fare). There was the TWA terminal .. the shack that National/TransCaribbean/TransCanada (and someone else) were in .. the American terminal .. the United terminal .. the Eastern/Mohawk terminal .. the Northwest/Northeast/Braniff building .. the Pan Am building .. and the IAB .. and they were NOT connected. I walked around from building to building (they were not connected) .. took great shots of the ramp from the road .. picked up lots of timetables and brochures .. had cheesecake for lunch at the Eastern terminal .. was a great time. Shows you how things have changed 'cuz now - you would not let a 12yo spend the day at JFK alone. Thanks mom & dad!

Did you visit New York City as well.


no - the trip was all about spending the day at JFK to see the airliners!
 
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:34 pm

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I just launched Part 4 of my history of Idlewild/JFK, focussing on the design of the first three airline terminals -those of UA, EA and AA- that were opened in 1959-1960: https://www.airporthistory.org/kennedy-4.html

You can read read about the International Arrivals Building (opened 1957) here: https://www.airporthistory.org/kennedy-3.html

There's lot of images. It should give you a good feel for what it was like!


Your website is pure joy! I thought I had previously seen "coming attractions" which included Tokyo Haneda--I hope that's still happening because I cannot wait. In any case, you and your colleagues do an amazing job of curating photos that show every aspect of airports during the 'golden age".
 
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:54 am

I know I'm in the minority here, but I absolutely LOVED the Eastern terminal at JFK; it was my favorite, by far. Both parents met while working for EA in the 60s, so I spent a lot of my childhood either hanging out there (and later, LGA and finally PHX) when my mom worked, as well as non-revving like mad to MIA, MCO, SJU, you name it. I hate the fact there aren't many 70s/80s photos of the inside of the EA terminal though. I remember there was a mural over the entrance to the shopping area/lounges leading toward the gates that was designed to look like an airplane facing down a runway. I wish I had a photo of that!

As you entered the EA terminal from the departure level, the doors - with EA falcon logos on them - led you into the main lobby, where the cavernous roofline made you feel tiny since the terminal was so large. The EA domestic counters were to the right as you entered and were always busy. The counters to the left were EA international, as well as a few other smaller carriers that leased space. The downstairs arrival area had a huge baggage claim area with similarly falcon-marked doors and the whole structure was inside, a nice touch to keep (mostly) out of the NY weather, save for the cold.
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:01 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
I know I'm in the minority here, but I absolutely LOVED the Eastern terminal at JFK; it was my favorite, by far. Both parents met while working for EA in the 60s, so I spent a lot of my childhood either hanging out there (and later, LGA and finally PHX) when my mom worked, as well as non-revving like mad to MIA, MCO, SJU, you name it. I hate the fact there aren't many 70s/80s photos of the inside of the EA terminal though. I remember there was a mural over the entrance to the shopping area/lounges leading toward the gates that was designed to look like an airplane facing down a runway. I wish I had a photo of that!

As you entered the EA terminal from the departure level, the doors - with EA falcon logos on them - led you into the main lobby, where the cavernous roofline made you feel tiny since the terminal was so large. The EA domestic counters were to the right as you entered and were always busy. The counters to the left were EA international, as well as a few other smaller carriers that leased space. The downstairs arrival area had a huge baggage claim area with similarly falcon-marked doors and the whole structure was inside, a nice touch to keep (mostly) out of the NY weather, save for the cold.



I was only in there once in 1993 just before it closed. Very spacious, but pretty empty at that point. I wish I could have been there 10 years earlier. :(


EDIT: I've heard that jetways were installed without Rickenbacker's knowledge. When he found out about it, he ordered them removed, he thought they were an unnecessary luxury. IS THIS TRUE????
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:21 pm

Yep, confirmed in Bob Serling's 1979 corporate history of EA, From the Captain to the Colonel.
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:33 pm

global2 wrote:
airporthistory wrote:
I just launched Part 4 of my history of Idlewild/JFK, focussing on the design of the first three airline terminals -those of UA, EA and AA- that were opened in 1959-1960: https://www.airporthistory.org/kennedy-4.html

You can read read about the International Arrivals Building (opened 1957) here: https://www.airporthistory.org/kennedy-3.html

There's lot of images. It should give you a good feel for what it was like!


Your website is pure joy! I thought I had previously seen "coming attractions" which included Tokyo Haneda--I hope that's still happening because I cannot wait. In any case, you and your colleagues do an amazing job of curating photos that show every aspect of airports during the 'golden age".


Hi global2. Yes, Haneda is coming. My challenge is time. Editing photos and researching the articles takes a lot of time! I have a job that keeps me plenty busy and a life as well.

I have a huge airport archive and 100 years worth of uploads, but unless I get the opportunity to turn this into a full time job (which I would love to do), I'm afraid it actually WILL take a 100 years! Anyway, I'm working as fast as I can! :-)
 
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:50 pm

airporthistory wrote:
global2 wrote:
airporthistory wrote:
I just launched Part 4 of my history of Idlewild/JFK, focussing on the design of the first three airline terminals -those of UA, EA and AA- that were opened in 1959-1960: https://www.airporthistory.org/kennedy-4.html

You can read read about the International Arrivals Building (opened 1957) here: https://www.airporthistory.org/kennedy-3.html

There's lot of images. It should give you a good feel for what it was like!


Your website is pure joy! I thought I had previously seen "coming attractions" which included Tokyo Haneda--I hope that's still happening because I cannot wait. In any case, you and your colleagues do an amazing job of curating photos that show every aspect of airports during the 'golden age".


Hi global2. Yes, Haneda is coming. My challenge is time. Editing photos and researching the articles takes a lot of time! I have a job that keeps me plenty busy and a life as well.

I have a huge airport archive and 100 years worth of uploads, but unless I get the opportunity to turn this into a full time job (which I would love to do), I'm afraid it actually WILL take a 100 years! Anyway, I'm working as fast as I can! :-)


You're doing an amazing job. I'll just have to be patient! Your work is well appreciated.
 
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:11 pm

ArchGuy1 wrote:
What exactly was the experience of flying in and out of JFK Airport in New York City like in the 1960's and 1970's because I know that it is horrible today based on secondhand accounts.


It's not horrible, just people with little patience. :-) I use JFK monthly at all times and its a breeze in and out of T8. Taxi times vary from 5 mins to 45 mins ish... its fine, I do not have to drive the plane haha.

During the mid to late 90s you would have a 45 min to 1 hr taxi during the European prime time of 6pm-8pm ish. The terminals were run down but again you just deal with it. I find 6pm departures to Europe taxi pretty quickly nowadays.
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:12 pm

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Other things seen there back then, flight insurance desks, those little sit down desks with TV sets mounted where for a quarter you could watch local tv for 30 minutes, religious groups trying to push their faiths’ ideas on you...usually via pamphlets or paper magazine, and of course phone booths. And all while the place was still crazy and busy, there was a more controlled and classy feel to it.



Wow, you just brought me back with that $.25 chair & b/w tv combo! Then you had me thinking about Rex Cramer beating up all the different religious groups trying to talk to him!
 
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:46 pm

My apologies if this was already posted


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/44/77 ... ed41a8.jpg
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:53 pm

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My apologies if this was already posted


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/44/77 ... ed41a8.jpg


There's so much love taking place in this photo!
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:17 pm

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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:36 pm

727LOVER wrote:
My apologies if this was already posted


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/44/77 ... ed41a8.jpg


Those two trucks on the side of what I assume was the IAB, are they mobile lounges like those used in IAD?
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:38 pm

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727LOVER wrote:
My apologies if this was already posted


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/44/77 ... ed41a8.jpg


Those two trucks on the side of what I assume was the IAB, are they mobile lounges like those used in IAD?


YEP...looks like it !
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:00 am

727LOVER wrote:
FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
My apologies if this was already posted


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/44/77 ... ed41a8.jpg


Those two trucks on the side of what I assume was the IAB, are they mobile lounges like those used in IAD?


YEP...looks like it !


There’s an even better view of the mobile lounges in the same photo, next to the TW 707 in the foreground.
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:34 am

The TWA terminal with the 747s was the best! Quite possibly because it lasted the longest! Was a busy place until 1996...long after PA, EA and the 747s were retired at most US airlines

Re taxi times...keep in mind JFK uses 3 runways now during dep push. Not the case 20 years ago
 
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:58 am

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ArchGuy1 wrote:
What exactly was the experience of flying in and out of JFK Airport in New York City like in the 1960's and 1970's because I know that it is horrible today based on secondhand accounts.


It's not horrible, just people with little patience. :-) I use JFK monthly at all times and its a breeze in and out of T8. Taxi times vary from 5 mins to 45 mins ish... its fine, I do not have to drive the plane haha.

During the mid to late 90s you would have a 45 min to 1 hr taxi during the European prime time of 6pm-8pm ish. The terminals were run down but again you just deal with it. I find 6pm departures to Europe taxi pretty quickly nowadays.


That sounds about right. I recently flew AF JFK to CDG on the 7pm A380 flight and we pushed back a few minutes before 7pm, and taxi time was just 12 minutes until we were airborne. Granted, this was on an A380 and on a sunny, clear day in late May.
 
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:51 am

AA terminal with Boeing 747

https://pixels.com/featured/new-york-jf ... anger.html

One of these might have gone on to fly the space shuttle ! :lol:
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:51 am

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AA terminal with Boeing 747

https://pixels.com/featured/new-york-jf ... anger.html

One of these might have gone on to fly the space shuttle ! :lol:


Thanks for sharing. Interesting how they use the R1 and R2 doors the 747 on the right.
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:10 am

Very cool photos

National Airlines, Concorde, Eastern L1011, Delta L1011 NW Departures off 31R

It was a different world!

That IAB and tower are quite ugly!
 
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:00 pm

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My apologies if this was already posted


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/44/77 ... ed41a8.jpg


So many vehicles on the service road...practically looks like the freeway out there!
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:07 pm

I started flying to JFK in the mid-eighties, my airline was at the IAB. It seems to me that inbound holdings were even more frequent back then, as were two hour outbound taxiings.
Not sure how the number of movements has developed but delays seem less today.
I really dislike JFK trips today, not least the awful drive to Manhattan and back to the airport.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:37 pm

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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:39 pm

Great Pan Am footage at IAB and Pan Am terminal/
TWA footage also.

CLASSIC !
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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:43 pm

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Re: JFK Airport in the 1960's and 1970's

Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:21 pm

Great clips 727Lover!

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