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FlyDestination
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Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:28 am

I was looking for a flight MIA-IAD next month and couldn't find anything. Only AA through CLT and DL through ATL, but nothing direct.

How is it possible that two major US airports are not directly linked?
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:24 am

Fly into DCA.
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:31 am

Launches Oct 5th, was pretty big news when announced but I don't even see it on the wiki.

https://www.google.com/flights?q=iad+to ... 1;t:f;tt:o
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:31 am

I suppose the load factor is either bad or maybe it doesn't have service during the summer period? I traveled with AA on AA2536 a few years ago, it was a direct flight from IAD to MIA.
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:12 am

I’m surprised United don’t offer it for connections in from Europe to Miami, then again there was a few years recently when they didn’t have any mainline to Miami at all! I remember in that period they had a 767 coming up from S America and had to divert to offload a cabin crew who’d gone mental, but the big news about the incident was, United mainliner in Miami!
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:40 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Launches Oct 5th, was pretty big news when announced but I don't even see it on the wiki.

https://www.google.com/flights?q=iad+to ... 1;t:f;tt:o


Good news!
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:43 am

AA discontinued their IAD-MIA flight a few months ago. UA ran seasonal service this past winter and is scheduled to restart again in the fall.
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:21 am

asuflyer05 wrote:
AA discontinued their IAD-MIA flight a few months ago. UA ran seasonal service this past winter and is scheduled to restart again in the fall.


Here's your answer right here^. I knew that UA was seasonal, but had no idea that AA was downright cancelling the flight. Flying into DCA just makes more sense for more people.
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:55 am

rjmf22 wrote:
asuflyer05 wrote:
AA discontinued their IAD-MIA flight a few months ago. UA ran seasonal service this past winter and is scheduled to restart again in the fall.


Here's your answer right here^. I knew that UA was seasonal, but had no idea that AA was downright cancelling the flight. Flying into DCA just makes more sense for more people.


It makes sense for UA who run a hub at IAD to fly IAD-MIA so they can offer MIA as a destination for all those flights arriving at IAD (and vv). For AA, it was just more appealing to fly MIA-DCA as it's more convenient than IAD, but UA hub is where it is.

If UA plan to shift connections from EWR down to IAD, just like AA is doing with JFK->PHL, MIA is a must for UA from IAD.
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:37 pm

I am positive there are direct flights. Do you mean nonstop?
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:28 pm

Aisak wrote:
If UA plan to shift connections from EWR down to IAD, just like AA is doing with JFK->PHL, MIA is a must for UA from IAD.


Eh, they could say 'FLL is close enough.' It's not like they're building a 500 flight/day hub at IAD.

It's not as if there's a lack of flights MIA/FLL-WAS. ITA Matrix finds 21 flights on four carriers tomorrow - and that doesn't even include WN.
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:46 pm

jetpixx wrote:
I am positive there are direct flights. Do you mean nonstop?


Not too long ago, I flew IAD-MIA on a CR-7. But there was only that one fast turn round-trip a day.

As I recall, UA deserted the route in lieu of duplicate service to FLL.
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:59 pm

jetpixx wrote:
I am positive there are direct flights. Do you mean nonstop?


That term hasn't been used in the industry for several decades to refer to flights that stop but do not connect for a couple of reasons. It both confused people and wasn't accurate. A flight that stops enroute to it's final destination is an indirect route not a direct one. Also, most international flights by a US carrier today that are sold as a single flight number almost always involve a change of equipment, whereas in the past that was rarely the case.

Why you are certain IAD-MIA has a direct flight by any definition? What airline? I don't see any today southbound and I am imagine northbound either.
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:18 pm

That term hasn't been used in the industry for several decades to refer to flights that stop but do not connect for a couple of reasons. It both confused people and wasn't accurate. A flight that stops enroute to it's final destination is an indirect route not a direct one. Also, most international flights by a US carrier today that are sold as a single flight number almost always involve a change of equipment, whereas in the past that was rarely the case.


Not sure what you're talking about. I use that term all the time and the only issue here is that people should read more, its not confusing at all.

Also, most international flights by a US carrier today that are sold as a single flight number almost always involve a change of equipment, whereas in the past that was rarely the case.


Depends on the carrier. Some carriers as a rule dont change equipment on a direct flight, even INT.
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:25 pm

I imagine IAD-MIA will become year round at some point for connections. But its a process. EWR is still major hub to Europe, so international connections may continue to go through EWR regardless.
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:38 pm

FlyDestination wrote:
How is it possible that two major US airports are not directly linked?


Basically two reasons exist:
1) Proximity of airports (e.g. PHL to EWR, BWI to LGA)
2) Multi-airport cities where other airports in the metro areas are connected (seasonally IAD-MIA, for many years IAH-JFK, etc.)

It's worth noting that every pair I listed above has been flown by someone in the last 5-10 years, but service hasn't been continuous.
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:39 pm

Maybe JetBlue could add that route but JetBlue gave up on IAD and has no interest in MIA
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:04 pm

jetpixx wrote:
I am positive there are direct flights. Do you mean nonstop?


There are neither, nor was there any need to be so pedantic when the OP’s meaning could be easily inferred.

To answer the question, AA used to fly the route once daily but dropped it, and UA now flies it on a seasonal basis. UA is weak in South Florida but I think they could eventually support a year round flight. For AA there was little point with their hub at DCA, similar to why they don’t fly into MDW or DAL.
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:17 pm

For AA its because yields to DCA are higher plus DCA is cheaper, and effectively serves the majority of people looking to go the the DC area. For UA why fly to MIA if you get the same mostly leisure yields as you do to FLL when FLL has half the costs per enplanement.
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:26 pm

LOT767301ER wrote:
That term hasn't been used in the industry for several decades to refer to flights that stop but do not connect for a couple of reasons. It both confused people and wasn't accurate. A flight that stops enroute to it's final destination is an indirect route not a direct one. Also, most international flights by a US carrier today that are sold as a single flight number almost always involve a change of equipment, whereas in the past that was rarely the case.


Not sure what you're talking about. I use that term all the time and the only issue here is that people should read more, its not confusing at all.



Your screen name is named after a Polish airline so perhaps outside the US but since this is about IAD-MIA I was referring to the US airline industry.
 
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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:42 pm

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Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:01 pm

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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:36 pm

UA used to fly it in the 1990’s, flew it on a 767-300.

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Re: Why no direct MIA-IAD flight?

Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:39 pm

The long running AA IAD-MIA service that recently ceased primarily fed their huge Caribbean, Central American connections out of MIA. It was a 6am departure out of IAD and returned around 9pm so it connected perfectly to all those. In the later years they even had a second flight that left in the afternoon out of IAD that fed their South American connections at night out of MIA. Return was in the morning to IAD. My point is the success of Avianca to SAL and connections , Copa to PTY and connections and DL IAD-ATL to connect to all those ATL central and south american traffic, there is enough feed at IAD for AA to have continued out of IAD if they chose. Plus picking up local traffic that just wanted to fly to MIA

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