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Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:52 pm

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Saw a post on Facebook with a banner for Mesa Airlines with a 737 on it. Who will the operate it for?
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:58 pm

I saw the same thing. And it appears to be a Classic?
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:59 pm

I know it is a long shot but, Prime Air?
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:00 pm

Are those cargo doors on the right side?
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:04 pm

I've heard something along the lines of an overnight cargo run out of Cincinnati, I can't remember where to or many other details but this apparently has legs to it.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:06 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
Are those cargo doors on the right side?


That's where the belly cargo doors are located. It just appears that they are up top.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:13 pm

Wow, this ought to be interesting. Others mentioned possible cargo? One thing that we all remember is how Independence Air went. I firmly believe had Independence started with the Airbus to begin with, it had a greater chance of survival. Maybe this might be a sign of Mesa trying it's own venture in larger planes?
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:24 pm

Is everybody sure this isn't some pilot up-flow program to AA?
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:25 pm

Southern is flying the 738s for Prime.

Could the old sing from when Mesa tried this in 2004. I found that just by a simple Google search.

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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:26 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Is everybody sure this isn't some pilot up-flow program to AA?

Nothing to do with AA.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:31 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
Southern is flying the 738s for Prime.

Could the old sing from when Mesa tried this in 2004. I found that just by a simple Google search.

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Mesa didn't have that branding then. That branding has only been around for a few years.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:34 pm

WN732 wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
Are those cargo doors on the right side?


That's where the belly cargo doors are located. It just appears that they are up top.


It's one of those typical drawings that shows both top and bottom of the plane, sort of see-through, since it shows the two baggage hold doors as well as the landing gear. Nothing more.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:39 pm

Pretty sure this will never happen. As long as Mesa flys express for other mainline carriers, the mainline pilots scope would prohibit the mainline carrier from doing business with any express carrier flying large aircraft such as this.

It’s probably just a clever recruiting gimmick. The Mesa and 737 rumors have been around for years.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:41 pm

-400's for DHL out of CVG.

They will be on a separate operating certificate, but same seniority list.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:55 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
-400's for DHL out of CVG.

They will be on a separate operating certificate, but same seniority list.



Heard from a friend that the DHL bit has been rumored around Mesa for months now, although they didn't mention a specific aircraft type other than 737s.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:59 pm

Yep, it's a classic! How exciting.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:02 pm

Which is how it started operating the CRJ-700s for America West. Operating CRJ-700s for anyone on the Mesa certificate would have violated one of the other scope clauses (US or UA), so Freedom Airlines was created.

Before Freedom, Mesa had purchased a (Continental) MD-80 to operate in Mesa branded operations. It went nowhere.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:02 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Is everybody sure this isn't some pilot up-flow program to AA?


AA would never give a flow to Mesa. They barely hire their pilots as it is.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:19 pm

That's a flashback from about 20 years ago. They explored the idea, but it never went any further..
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:10 pm

EMBQA wrote:
That's a flashback from about 20 years ago. They explored the idea, but it never went any further..


I don't think that branding was around 20 years ago. They updated their look in 2015.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:19 pm

There have been lots of rumors that Mesa was going to take over some 737 flying from Southern, which is a mess and apparently looking to jettison some business. Either the -400s currently flown for DHL, or the -800s now coming on board for Amazon.

The whole thing seems ridiculous, but who knows.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:30 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
Are those cargo doors on the right side?


Yes they are cargo doors. The ones that are on every single 737 made.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:09 pm

The -400's are going to be clapped out DHL birds out of CVG. The big rumor is that Southern is going to transfer the 737-400 DHL flying to Mesa in order to staff the new Prime Air -800's since they cannot staff both at once.

The aircraft are actually one of the few steam gauge cockpits left out there. On a related note, who ships through DHL in the US? I haven't seen a package delivered from them in years.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:24 pm

SierraPacific wrote:
The aircraft are actually one of the few steam gauge cockpits left out there. On a related note, who ships through DHL in the US? I haven't seen a package delivered from them in years.


L Brands does most of their shipping domestically with DHL.

wjcandee wrote:
There have been lots of rumors that Mesa was going to take over some 737 flying from Southern, which is a mess and apparently looking to jettison some business. Either the -400s currently flown for DHL, or the -800s now coming on board for Amazon.

The whole thing seems ridiculous, but who knows.

It seems like YV is trying to isolate themselves from the Regional industry since their contract with AA is falling apart due to performance issues (and as I recall, expires in 2021) and their IAD based UA 700s aren't going to stay around for forever.

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Pretty sure this will never happen. As long as Mesa flys express for other mainline carriers, the mainline pilots scope would prohibit the mainline carrier from doing business with any express carrier flying large aircraft such as this.

It’s probably just a clever recruiting gimmick. The Mesa and 737 rumors have been around for years.

Just like Freedom was created to fly CR7s, they will have a sub-entity flying 737s. From what I recall, only UA's and DL's scope clause prohibit doing business with a Regional that flies more than 86,000 lbs. The rumor with DHL & CVG just recently popped up so it is a new rumor as opposed to all the old ones.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:36 pm

SierraPacific wrote:
On a related note, who ships through DHL in the US? I haven't seen a package delivered from them in years.


Anybody sending anything abroad or receiving anything from abroad, including freight. DHL has a huge business to and from CONUS. Asia, Latin America, Europe, etc.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:37 pm

Mesa is hiring maintenance supervisors with Boeing experience. It's on their web site. That's a tipoff.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:40 pm

You do know AA owns part of Mesa?
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:47 pm

I wonder if Mesa is getting into the wet lease business. I don't think they can fly anything bigger because of scope.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:55 pm

Freight is always a race to the bottom, I wish them luck.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:37 am

Southern cant have the same pilots fly both the 400’s and 800’s same reason Alaska had tomditch there “combi” birds for pure cargo 700’s. The combi’s were steam gauges.. FAA won’t sign off on a common type for them... Seems plausible that Mesa wants in the cargo door and here is there chance..
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:44 am

wjcandee wrote:
SierraPacific wrote:
On a related note, who ships through DHL in the US? I haven't seen a package delivered from them in years.


Anybody sending anything abroad or receiving anything from abroad, including freight. DHL has a huge business to and from CONUS. Asia, Latin America, Europe, etc.


This is correct. We get most of our international parcel shipments from Europe and Asia via DHL.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:37 am

amcnd wrote:
Southern cant have the same pilots fly both the 400’s and 800’s same reason Alaska had tomditch there “combi” birds for pure cargo 700’s. The combi’s were steam gauges.. FAA won’t sign off on a common type for them... Seems plausible that Mesa wants in the cargo door and here is there chance..


FAA has a long history of allowing the same pilot groups to fly the Classic and the NG and the NG and MAX; you just can't fly all three. AS successfully operated the combis and 400s alongside their NGs for at least fifteen years.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:49 am

Remember when Comair was going to fly 737-200s for Delta?
That was entertaining.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:08 am

SierraPacific wrote:
The -400's are going to be clapped out DHL birds out of CVG. The big rumor is that Southern is going to transfer the 737-400 DHL flying to Mesa in order to staff the new Prime Air -800's since they cannot staff both at once.

The aircraft are actually one of the few steam gauge cockpits left out there. On a related note, who ships through DHL in the US? I haven't seen a package delivered from them in years.

I dunno but the DHL polar 747s come through ANC several times a day
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:49 am

KFTG wrote:
Remember when Comair was going to fly 737-200s for Delta?
That was entertaining.

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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:09 am

Scarebus34 wrote:
Pretty sure this will never happen. As long as Mesa flys express for other mainline carriers, the mainline pilots scope would prohibit the mainline carrier from doing business with any express carrier flying large aircraft such as this.

It’s probably just a clever recruiting gimmick. The Mesa and 737 rumors have been around for years.

Larry Risley Proposed this to UA ALPA many years ago that He wanted Mesa to fly 737's in United Colors and He wanted the UA ALPA pilots to go along with it!
That led to his getting the Boot from Mesa and helped establish the Scope Clause in the UA ALPA contract which stands right today. They are obviously going to forgo their /express contracts if they do this. I have no opinion as to whether it's a good idea one way or the other. If they can find the freight contracts? They can do some Business,
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:35 am

Could they be operating 737s on behalf of Disney?
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:40 pm

Passenger 737’s would be put their existing flying at risk. That’s probably a no.
Cargo though wouldn’t.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:57 pm

Disney came out and said the rumors of them getting in the airline business are false.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:11 pm

Does San Juan College still do training for YV? When you see a 737 on the FMN ramp, you'll know things are getting real.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:43 pm

This has huge implications in the ACMI world. Mesa is a notorious bottom-of-the-barrel airline. They are known to undercut everyone in the regional world, and you can bet they will do the same thing in the cargo world. Their 175 CA’s make 25% less per hour than other regional CA’s ($99/hr at YX vs $75/hr at Mesa for a 5-year CA). The payrates will likely be just as horrendous on the 737. I’m sure Atlas pilots, whom have been in bitter contract negotiations, are going to love this...
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:20 pm

amcnd wrote:
Southern cant have the same pilots fly both the 400’s and 800’s same reason Alaska had tomditch there “combi” birds for pure cargo 700’s. The combi’s were steam gauges.. FAA won’t sign off on a common type for them... Seems plausible that Mesa wants in the cargo door and here is there chance..

That is wrong. Southwest had pilots flying the -300 and the NG series. It was when the MAX came in that the FAA said you cannot have classic, ng and max certified pilots for all 3 so Southwest dumped the -300s.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:57 pm

b747400erf wrote:
amcnd wrote:
Southern cant have the same pilots fly both the 400’s and 800’s same reason Alaska had tomditch there “combi” birds for pure cargo 700’s. The combi’s were steam gauges.. FAA won’t sign off on a common type for them... Seems plausible that Mesa wants in the cargo door and here is there chance..

That is wrong. Southwest had pilots flying the -300 and the NG series. It was when the MAX came in that the FAA said you cannot have classic, ng and max certified pilots for all 3 so Southwest dumped the -300s.


Doesn't it depend on the flight decks? WN's Classics had upgraded avionics which allowed for interchangeability between types. Southern's Classics are steam gauges and therefore do not share the same commonality with the NGs. I could be totally wrong though.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:17 pm

One way to diversify the business model.

Possibly head honchos are seeing a plentiful availability of a new old type soon.
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:35 pm

AviationAddict wrote:
b747400erf wrote:
amcnd wrote:
Southern cant have the same pilots fly both the 400’s and 800’s same reason Alaska had tomditch there “combi” birds for pure cargo 700’s. The combi’s were steam gauges.. FAA won’t sign off on a common type for them... Seems plausible that Mesa wants in the cargo door and here is there chance..

That is wrong. Southwest had pilots flying the -300 and the NG series. It was when the MAX came in that the FAA said you cannot have classic, ng and max certified pilots for all 3 so Southwest dumped the -300s.


Doesn't it depend on the flight decks? WN's Classics had upgraded avionics which allowed for interchangeability between types. Southern's Classics are steam gauges and therefore do not share the same commonality with the NGs. I could be totally wrong though.



Knowing someone who works there, they are qualified to both the -400 and -800 with differences training. Similar to WN and AS.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:07 am

You’d have better luck shipping something with the Pony Express than with Mesa.

If these rumors are true about Mesa operating a 737 for cargo ops, whether for DHL or someone else, you can pretty much count on the operation being less than adequate in terms of reliability, an overall inferior product all the way around, and a leadership team so clueless and incompetent that they can’t stop finding unconventional (yet, always idiotic) ways to try and diversify Mesa. Look no further than their short lived excursions in China, inter-island service using crj-200’s and subsequently being sued by HA and being forced to pay them millions, their subsidiary Freedom to get-around scope clauses, etc. It’s mind boggling, and quite sad, how J.O. and his cronies have managed to stay at the helm of this company.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: Mesa Airlines to Operate 737

Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:04 am

AviationKnurd wrote:
You’d have better luck shipping something with the Pony Express than with Mesa.

If these rumors are true about Mesa operating a 737 for cargo ops, whether for DHL or someone else, you can pretty much count on the operation being less than adequate in terms of reliability, an overall inferior product all the way around, and a leadership team so clueless and incompetent that they can’t stop finding unconventional (yet, always idiotic) ways to try and diversify Mesa. Look no further than their short lived excursions in China, inter-island service using crj-200’s and subsequently being sued by HA and being forced to pay them millions, their subsidiary Freedom to get-around scope clauses, etc. It’s mind boggling, and quite sad, how J.O. and his cronies have managed to stay at the helm of this company.


Why did Hawaiian sue Mesa?

I always thought Mesa is a good takeover target for Skywest.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:20 am

MO11 wrote:
Which is how it started operating the CRJ-700s for America West. Operating CRJ-700s for anyone on the Mesa certificate would have violated one of the other scope clauses (US or UA), so Freedom Airlines was created.

Before Freedom, Mesa had purchased a (Continental) MD-80 to operate in Mesa branded operations. It went nowhere.

Never heared of that before, do you know when and which airframe?
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:56 am

Boof02671 wrote:


So if I'm tracking correctly...Hawaiian opened their books to Mesa and Mesa turned around used that information against them to compete?

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