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Pan Am New York to Tehran flights

Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:31 pm

How long did Pan Am operate flights from New York City to Tehran, because I know that Iran Air operated the route from 1971 to 1979. I also know that Pan Am operated the New York to Tehran route at one time.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:18 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
How long did Pan Am operate flights from New York City to Tehran, because I know that Iran Air operated the route from 1971 to 1979. I also know that Pan Am operated the New York to Tehran route at one time.


I believe it stopped in Rome and Beirut among other places. Never was flown with less than 2-stops though a lot of Pan Am flights at one time stopped in Tehran toward India and the Far East.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:19 am

PA 110 flew JFK-FCO-IST-THR at one time. I was on the first sector. I think I was on it in 1978?
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:28 am

Pan Am operated a major station in THR in the mid-to-late 70s with flights coming in, albeit not daily, from FCO, IST, FRA and then heading off to KHI, BOM, DEL, etc.

I'm surprised they didn't use the 747SP and try to do it nonstop.

here is the route map from 1978. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/c1/7f ... 091136.jpg
 
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Re: Pan Am New York to Tehran flights

Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:56 am

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PA 110 flew JFK-FCO-IST-THR at one time. I was on the first sector. I think I was on it in 1978?

Was a plane change involved for each leg.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:18 am

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Wow. That’s quite impressive given the times.

What could of... if they had domestic feed and today’s modern hubs and aircraft.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:26 am

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Wow. That’s quite impressive given the times.

What could of... if they had domestic feed and today’s modern hubs and aircraft.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:29 am

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Wow. That’s quite impressive given the times.

What could of... if they had domestic feed and today’s modern hubs and aircraft.


It was even more impressive before the route swaps with AA (1974) and TWA (1975).

Pan Am was a behemoth in those days.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:33 am

I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:53 am

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globalflyer wrote:
PA 110 flew JFK-FCO-IST-THR at one time. I was on the first sector. I think I was on it in 1978?

Was a plane change involved for each leg.


No. 747 JFK-FCO, 707 FCO-IST-THR.

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Re: Pan Am New York to Tehran flights

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:56 am

1973
PA 2, 747 service
New York City - London -Frankfurt - Istanbul - Beirut -Tehran - Dehi - Bangkok - Hong Kong -Tokyo- Honolulu- Los Angeles

PA114, 747 to Rome then on the 707 onwards
Depending on the day of the week
New York City - Paris - Rome - Beirut - Tehran
New York City - Paris - Rome - Beirut - Damascus - Tehran
New York City - Paris - Rome - Istanbul - Ankara - Tehran

1979
Pan Am 2, 747 service
Houston - New York City - London - Frankfurt - Tehran - Delhi - Hong Kong - Tokyo - Los Angeles
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:04 am

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I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan

Times certainly change. Those were the days when Afghanistan was on every backpacker's itinerary when overlanding through Asia.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:08 am

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Pan Am operated a major station in THR in the mid-to-late 70s with flights coming in, albeit not daily, from FCO, IST, FRA and then heading off to KHI, BOM, DEL, etc.

I'm surprised they didn't use the 747SP and try to do it nonstop.

here is the route map from 1978. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/c1/7f ... 091136.jpg

What strikes me as odd on that route map is how Pan Am almost seemed to have gone out of their way NOT to fly to destinations that had an Inter•Continental Hotel (a chain that Pan Am still owned at that time, unless I am mistaken).
 
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Re: Pan Am New York to Tehran flights

Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:13 am

Ionosphere wrote:
1973
PA 2, 747 service
New York City - London -Frankfurt - Istanbul - Beirut -Tehran - Dehi - Bangkok - Hong Kong -Tokyo- Honolulu- Los Angeles

PA114, 747 to Rome then on the 707 onwards
Depending on the day of the week
New York City - Paris - Rome - Beirut - Tehran
New York City - Paris - Rome - Beirut - Damascus - Tehran
New York City - Paris - Rome - Istanbul - Ankara - Tehran

1979
Pan Am 2, 747 service
Houston - New York City - London - Frankfurt - Tehran - Delhi - Hong Kong - Tokyo - Los Angeles


PA110, not PA114. PA114 was Paris. PA110 was the Rome fight. See my Username!
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Re: Pan Am New York to Tehran flights

Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:15 am

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Ionosphere wrote:
1973
PA 2, 747 service
New York City - London -Frankfurt - Istanbul - Beirut -Tehran - Dehi - Bangkok - Hong Kong -Tokyo- Honolulu- Los Angeles

PA114, 747 to Rome then on the 707 onwards
Depending on the day of the week
New York City - Paris - Rome - Beirut - Tehran
New York City - Paris - Rome - Beirut - Damascus - Tehran
New York City - Paris - Rome - Istanbul - Ankara - Tehran

1979
Pan Am 2, 747 service
Houston - New York City - London - Frankfurt - Tehran - Delhi - Hong Kong - Tokyo - Los Angeles


PA110, not PA114. PA114 was Paris. PA110 was the Rome fight. See my Username!


If you had read, the flight was a continuation from Paris.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:23 am

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I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan


Both were close American allies at the time.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:25 am

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If you had read, the flight was a continuation from Paris.


This was very short-lived. By mid 1974, PA114 terminated in Paris. The change of gauge in Rome adopted the PA110 flight number which lasted at least through 1978.
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:26 am

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leftcoast8 wrote:
I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan

Times certainly change. Those were the days when Afghanistan was on every backpacker's itinerary when overlanding through Asia.


It sure was, it was a major fixture on the 'Hippy Trail' in the late 60's when American backpackers would fly in on the cheap fares into Luxembourg with Icelandair and then travel all the way overland to India via Iran and Afghanistan. I met a German tourist in India in 2002 who attempted the same route, and he did make it overland all the way to Iran, where he apparently had a great time, but of course had to fly the last leg over Afghanistan and Pakistan into India.
 
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Re: Pan Am New York to Tehran flights

Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:28 am

Didn't the Iranian Gov't make a bid to help save Pan Am prior to 1979? As sad as it is to have lost "The World's Most Experienced Airline" since December 4th 1991, can you imagine if that deal had gone through?
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:36 am

I lived in Tehran from Jan 1975 through August 1977. PA110 was often fraught with delays and cancellations due to labor unrest in Rome. The JFK-FCO leg would often operate, but the 707 onward leg would get cancelled with considerable regularity throughout 1976. PA1/2 were much better options if you could get seats. Often DEL had a higher allocation of inventory as THR pax could at least in theory be booked on PA110/111. It didn't always work out that way. More than once, we ended up being invol rerouted on IR to THR then PA onwards to JFK.
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Re: Pan Am New York to Tehran flights

Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:46 am

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I lived in Tehran from Jan 1975 through August 1977. PA110 was often fraught with delays and cancellations due to labor unrest in Rome. The JFK-FCO leg would often operate, but the 707 onward leg would get cancelled with considerable regularity throughout 1976. PA1/2 were much better options if you could get seats. Often DEL had a higher allocation of inventory as THR pax could at least in theory be booked on PA110/111. It didn't always work out that way. More than once, we ended up being invol rerouted on IR to THR then PA onwards to JFK.

What were Iran Air's flights to JFK like.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:55 am

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I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan


Some of the places Pan Am flew in 1973 included Abidjan, Ankara, Beirut, Belem, Bergen, Caracas, Cotonou, Damascus, Dar Es Salaam, Douala, Jakarta, Karachi, Kinshasa, Libreville, Maracaibo, Noumea, Paramaribo, Santa Maria, Terceira.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:55 am

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What were Iran Air's flights to JFK like.

I never flew the JFK nonstop from THR. My dad flew it a couple of times and said that IR's 747SP service was good, but it was a very long flight (back in the day). In the mid-70s, there were so many options between JFK and THR. IR had the nonstop 747SP service, PA had daily service between PA1/2 and PA110/111. Other options included AZ via FCO, AF via CDG, SK via CPH, SR via ZRH, BA via LHR and KL via AMS. I only few IR to LHR on an older 707 then PA to JFK (involuntary reroute due strikes in Rome cancelled PA111).
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:03 am

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Ionosphere wrote:
If you had read, the flight was a continuation from Paris.


This was very short-lived. By mid 1974, PA114 terminated in Paris. The change of gauge in Rome adopted the PA110 flight number which lasted at least through 1978.


More like reverted back to PA110. In NS 1971 PA110 was JFK-FCO-IST-ESB-THR.

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I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan

Before the revolution we had extensive ties with Iran and Tehran was a bustling city that was properly the most developed and cosmopolitan of Middle East cities at the time. The. The revolution happened...
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:16 am

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More like reverted back to PA110. In NS 1971 PA110 was JFK-FCO-IST-ESB-THR.

PA515


I'm not 100% certain, but I believe that PA110 in 1971 was a 707 all the way from JFK. When PA started taking deliveries of 747s, they went to the London and Paris routes first. I believe PA extended 114 to Rome in order to introduce 747 service before an additional aircraft was available to replace the 707 nonstop. Once additional 747s, were delivered, PA110 was up-gauged to a 747 and the THR tag reverted back to the PA110 flight number. If there are any PA old-timers floating around Anet, please jump in and clarify.
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:10 am

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I lived in Tehran from Jan 1975 through August 1977.


I did as well. Attended Tehran American School. I would like to go back to Iran one day. While there I flew IR on 2 occasions: 707 to Kabul, Afghanistan and a 727 to Shiraz.
 
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IR JFK flights in late 70's were THR-JFK with the SP and THR-LHR-JFK with the 742 (think the flight number was 175 or 177).
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:08 am

Might sound like a stupid question.. but since i am too youmg to know... were this fifth freedom flights or you had to start in JFK and then stop at whatever your destination was?
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:57 am

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I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan


Nothing weird actually. They simply were very different times, with a very different real-politik [read" forward thinking and progressive" ] happening on both sides. I know lots of younger people on this forum have no knowledge of the world realms beyond the given assumptions of al-kaida and president Trump narrow-mindedness, but I can assure you there was a time when the aforementioned countries could actually engage in diplomatic and economic talks. I know, sound unbelievable by looking at the puppetry we have these days...
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:59 am

The first flight I was on was Pan Am when I was 10 months old. KHI to HKG, I think it was via DEL.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:30 am

How many actual European departures did Pan Am have a day from JFK-Europe at this time?

I always read about how big they were in Europe but most of the stuff seems like tag ons from London Paris or Rome.

Once the 310s started to arrive, their JFK hub started to transition more towards what Delta eventually ran in the 90s
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:03 am

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N717TW wrote:


Wow. That’s quite impressive given the times.

What could of... if they had domestic feed and today’s modern hubs and aircraft.

Impressive, but important to recognize that many of the routes were not daily. Many of the African and east Asian flights were only one or two flights weekly.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:24 am

leftcoast8 wrote:
I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan


Times change. The US was propping up the Shah, and Pakistan, who was seen as a bulwark against them pesky commies
 
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N717TW wrote:
Pan Am operated a major station in THR in the mid-to-late 70s with flights coming in, albeit not daily, from FCO, IST, FRA and then heading off to KHI, BOM, DEL, etc.

I'm surprised they didn't use the 747SP and try to do it nonstop.

here is the route map from 1978. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/c1/7f ... 091136.jpg

What strikes me as odd on that route map is how Pan Am almost seemed to have gone out of their way NOT to fly to destinations that had an Inter•Continental Hotel (a chain that Pan Am still owned at that time, unless I am mistaken).


If you looked at the Philippines part, there were 3 InterContinentals. The one in Calatagan was served via Manila, which was an online point. The one in Davao was just a domestic hop away.

Side note, the InterContinental in Manila closed down a few years ago after the contract with the Ayala Corporation expired. The building has since been demolished and a new hotel owned by the Ayalas will take its place. I had the pleasure of staying there a few times, and the service there was great.

The InterContinental Davao is now the Waterfront Insular Hotel and is still open to this day, while the one in Calatagan is now the Punta Baluarte resort.
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:35 pm

ArchGuy1 wrote:
globalflyer wrote:
PA 110 flew JFK-FCO-IST-THR at one time. I was on the first sector. I think I was on it in 1978?

Was a plane change involved for each leg.


JFK FCO was a 747
FCO IST was a 707
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:37 pm

1979
Pan Am 2, 747 service
Houston - New York City - London - Frankfurt - Tehran - Delhi - Hong Kong - Tokyo - Los Angeles


I wonder if you were allowed to buy a Houston-LAX ticket and fly three-quarters of a way around the world.
 
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IR JFK flights in late 70's were THR-JFK with the SP and THR-LHR-JFK with the 742 (think the flight number was 175 or 177).


The flight number I recall was IR777, usually operated by the 747SP. It often overflew Ireland.
 
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clipperlondon wrote:
leftcoast8 wrote:
I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan


Times change. The US was propping up the Shah, and Pakistan, who was seen as a bulwark against them pesky commies


Amd religious terrorism was pretty much unheard of.
 
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SteelChair wrote:
clipperlondon wrote:
leftcoast8 wrote:
I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan


Times change. The US was propping up the Shah, and Pakistan, who was seen as a bulwark against them pesky commies


Amd religious terrorism was pretty much unheard of.


Not even remotely true.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:42 pm

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I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan


Those were very different times in geopolitical terms. Iran was one the staunchest allies of the USA, and Tehran was more like Paris than like Riyadh. I lived in Tehran from 1975 until 1977, and from our rooftop we could see all the incoming and departing flights from Mehrabad. I think that there was an Iran Air nonstop 747SP from JFK, although I may be wrong. On the day of the Air France hijacking to Entebbe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe), I was a passenger on a different Air France flight from CDG-TLV-THR (IKA did not exist at the time.) Our flight landed in Tel Aviv, and a number of Israeli commandos boarded our 747 - we didn't know why at first. After a number of hours on the plane, our flight departed very late for Tehran. Nowadays IR avoids Israel and LY avoids Iran. In those days 747's flew between those two airports.
 
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airzim wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
clipperlondon wrote:

Times change. The US was propping up the Shah, and Pakistan, who was seen as a bulwark against them pesky commies


Amd religious terrorism was pretty much unheard of.


Not even remotely true.


At the very least it was well hidden in Iran, although not perhaps elsewhere in the Middle East. I taught at Tehran University, and our classes were periodically interrupted by noisy demonstrations, all of which seemed to have a Marxist rather than an Islamic inspiration. All of us teachers would have predicted a Communist revolution.
 
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PA515 wrote:
More like reverted back to PA110. In NS 1971 PA110 was JFK-FCO-IST-ESB-THR.

PA515


I'm not 100% certain, but I believe that PA110 in 1971 was a 707 all the way from JFK. When PA started taking deliveries of 747s, they went to the London and Paris routes first. I believe PA extended 114 to Rome in order to introduce 747 service before an additional aircraft was available to replace the 707 nonstop. Once additional 747s, were delivered, PA110 was up-gauged to a 747 and the THR tag reverted back to the PA110 flight number. If there are any PA old-timers floating around Anet, please jump in and clarify.


For what it's worth, for Summer 1970, beginning 1 June, PA110 was a nonstop 747 JFK-FCO.

https://www.timetableimages.com/ttimage ... 704-05.jpg
 
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26point2 wrote:
I did as well. Attended Tehran American School. I would like to go back to Iran one day. While there I flew IR on 2 occasions: 707 to Kabul, Afghanistan and a 727 to Shiraz.


Ah, the good ole days! I attended CHS. I flew IR domestically on old 737 classics Tehran - Esfahan - Shiraz. My friend's father was station manager for Pan Am, and my brother briefly dated the daughter of KLM's station manager. We flew back and forth to New York (or at least tried to) on Pan Am for annual home leave. One year, yet another strike in Rome cancelled PA111 once again and we ended up reprotected on a diverted dead-heading Aer Lingus 747 to Heathrow that had been in THR on a charter. From there, we ended up continuing to JFK on a BA VC-10 - my one and only ride on a VC-10.
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:01 pm

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I lived in Tehran from Jan 1975 through August 1977. PA110 was often fraught with delays and cancellations due to labor unrest in Rome. The JFK-FCO leg would often operate, but the 707 onward leg would get cancelled with considerable regularity throughout 1976. PA1/2 were much better options if you could get seats. Often DEL had a higher allocation of inventory as THR pax could at least in theory be booked on PA110/111. It didn't always work out that way. More than once, we ended up being invol rerouted on IR to THR then PA onwards to JFK.

What were Iran Air's flights to JFK like.


Can't tell you what THR - JFK was like, but I can tell you what JFK - THR was like. I flew IR in 1976. Was a 707. We stopped in LHR, where we exited the plane. The IRA was quite active during this period, so when it was time to depart, we were bussed out to a remote part of the airport, and we had to be searched by the UK authorities before we could reboard. The service was nothing special, and the staff couldn't care less about being on time.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:19 pm

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leftcoast8 wrote:
I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan

Before the revolution we had extensive ties with Iran and Tehran was a bustling city that was properly the most developed and cosmopolitan of Middle East cities at the time. The. The revolution happened...



Even EL AL flew to Tehran regularly before the revolution. Talk about how things have changed...
 
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flybaby wrote:
ORDJOE wrote:
leftcoast8 wrote:
I'm not sure what's weirder: the fact a U.S. carrier once flew to Iran, or that the same carrier also flew to Pakistan

Before the revolution we had extensive ties with Iran and Tehran was a bustling city that was properly the most developed and cosmopolitan of Middle East cities at the time. The. The revolution happened...



Even EL AL flew to Tehran regularly before the revolution. Talk about how things have changed...


Two interesting stories about EL AL at THR (one with a pic of EL AL's office in Tehran too!):

https://forward.com/scribe/400451/will- ... ran-again/

https://www.jta.org/2015/04/14/israel/w ... raels-past
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lesfalls wrote:
flybaby wrote:
ORDJOE wrote:
Before the revolution we had extensive ties with Iran and Tehran was a bustling city that was properly the most developed and cosmopolitan of Middle East cities at the time. The. The revolution happened...



Even EL AL flew to Tehran regularly before the revolution. Talk about how things have changed...


Two interesting stories about EL AL at THR (one with a pic of EL AL's office in Tehran too!):

https://forward.com/scribe/400451/will- ... ran-again/

https://www.jta.org/2015/04/14/israel/w ... raels-past


Well, if we are already on the topic of Iran, Israel and aviation here is an interesting tidbit..

An Israeli construction company build Iran Air’s main building. But not only did they build it, but they also stuck a big @$$ Star of David up on the roof! https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 84,00.html

Semi-related trivia... one of the reasons the 1976 Entebbe raid was so well-executed was because an Israeli construction firm just so happened to have built the terminal in which the hostages were being held all the way in BFU. The company provided the IDF with the blueprints as well as some of the workers who built the terminal as part of the preparation for the raid.
 
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Re: Pan Am New York to Tehran flights

Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:38 am

I flew LY from THR to TLV. The only time I've ever seen an FA strike a passenger, which he totally deserved. Some total sleaze-bag reached around the meal cart and pinched the female flight attendant as she was setting down the lunch trays. She plowed the cart into him, doubling him over. She then decked him. She got a round of applause from all those sitting around her. You don't mess with LY crew.
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Re: Pan Am New York to Tehran flights

Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:22 am

I am quite familiar with the 1953 coup and how the Shah was backed by the west, I think the history lesson is unnecessary :P

Off topic, but when did Pan Am stop flying to Karachi, what was the reasoning, and has a U.S. airline flown to Pakistan since? Or has it been PIA + ME3 only?

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