EcoCharlie77
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Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:00 am

I was searching in internet traffic statistics from european airports and the list from ACI includes Tel Aviv airport. How this is possible? I have seen Israel been part of Eurovision however geographically I guess Israel is not part of Europe so far.


https://www.aci-europe.org/policy/posit ... up=1&id=11
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:18 am

Israel technically its in Asia.. Might be more politically in Europe though than Asia
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:21 am

jomur wrote:
Israel technically its in Asia.. Might be more politically in Europe though than Asia


Explain how ? Because nothing in Israel is part of Europe. Culture isn’t similar either.

EcoCharlie77 wrote:
I was searching in internet traffic statistics from european airports and the list from ACI includes Tel Aviv airport. How this is possible? I have seen Israel been part of Eurovision however geographically I guess Israel is not part of Europe so far.


https://www.aci-europe.org/policy/posit ... up=1&id=11


Australia takes part in Eurovision, doesn’t make Australia any more European than Israel.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:29 am

No, TLV -and the rest of Israel- is not in Europe.
Article 1, under B, of the ACI Europe Charter underlines that:

B. The Region comprises all the States, territories and islands of geographical Europe as specified in Article 14 A(2) and Israel.


Source
https://www.aci-europe.org/rules-name.html

The question would be WHY they decided to add Israel to the European group of countries. I GUESS that is indeed political as mentioned above. Additionally I GUESS the dynamics of the Israeli aviation market are more like the European market than the rest of the Middle East (in terms of liberal market, connectivity etc.)
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:35 am

Ashkenazi Jews make up the majority of the population of Isreal and trace their origin to Europe. Almost all of West Asia/Middle East don't even recognize Isrealsome barely tolerate). Its only in the last 2-3 decades Asian countries like India and China have warmed up to them. They were part of Asian sporting events, but boycotts and visa bans have pushed them to Europe even in terms of sports grouping.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:00 pm

Geographically 100% NO.
But Europe defined by IATA is another thing.
TLV (and the rest of Israel) is in IATA-Europe as is Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia (and I might be missing some).
Turkey as well, but let's be honest, only about 3% of it's territory is on the European continent.

There are for sure people who can tell exactly why, I just simply know that this is the way it is, not why it is so.
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:12 pm

Economic markets are defined by business connections, culture, history, and political cooporation.

All of which put Israel in Europe
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:25 pm

LTCM wrote:
Economic markets are defined by business connections, culture, history, and political cooporation.

All of which put Israel in Europe


With this logic, the western hemisphere might as well be European as well. :bored:
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:29 pm

For the same reason, Cyprus is often treated as "Europe", even though geographically it is a part of Asia.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:32 pm

sibibom wrote:
Ashkenazi Jews make up the majority of the population of Isreal...


No they don't. They're not even the majority of the Jewish population, let alone overall.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:35 pm

TLV is in ICAO Europe as LLBG. Switzerland is LS, France is LF, Spain is LE, Turkey is LT. It’s not geography, it’s political. Look up ICAO Regions
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:46 pm

AirFrance77W wrote:
sibibom wrote:
Ashkenazi Jews make up the majority of the population of Isreal...


No they don't. They're not even the majority of the Jewish population, let alone overall.


"The majority of the world’s Jewish population are Ashkenazim, tracing their ancestry to Europe"

https://cija.ca/resource/israel-the-bas ... of-israel/

Technically that makes both of us wrong
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:47 pm

sibibom wrote:
AirFrance77W wrote:
sibibom wrote:
Ashkenazi Jews make up the majority of the population of Isreal...


No they don't. They're not even the majority of the Jewish population, let alone overall.


"The majority of the world’s Jewish population are Ashkenazim, tracing their ancestry to Europe"

https://cija.ca/resource/israel-the-bas ... of-israel/

Technically that makes both of us wrong


No. It makes you wrong.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:48 pm

Geographically Israel is in Asia. However, the country competes in Eurovision Song Contest and is a member of UEFA.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:44 pm

sibibom wrote:
Ashkenazi Jews make up the majority of the population of Isreal and trace their origin to Europe. Almost all of West Asia/Middle East don't even recognize Isrealsome barely tolerate). Its only in the last 2-3 decades Asian countries like India and China have warmed up to them. They were part of Asian sporting events, but boycotts and visa bans have pushed them to Europe even in terms of sports grouping.

Lie number 1: In 2018, 31.8% of Israeli Jews self-identified as Ashkenazi

Lie number 2: Trace their origin to Europe? Because they got kicked out of Israel during the rules of surrounding peoples
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:52 pm

Isreal is rather integrated with Europe when it comes to things like business, trade which includes aviation.

For example, Israel is a member of European safety and air navigation programs including the implementation of a single sky ATC concept.
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:27 pm

330lover wrote:
Turkey as well, but let's be honest, only about 3% of it's territory is on the European continent.


And looking at the Wiki page of the busiest airports in Europe, you'll notice that Istanbul Ataturk is included because it's in the European part of Turkey. However all Turkish airports in the Asian part of Turkey aren't included. In 2018 Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen airport handled 34 million passengers, so if it would be on the list it would be between Rome Fiumicino and Paris Orly. However because this airport is in Asia it's not included in the statistics for Europe.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:35 pm

In aviation, what matters is the ICAO region a country is put in. Turkey and Israel is in the EUR region.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:43 pm

LTCM wrote:
political cooporation.

All of which put Israel in Europe

HA! How many flights are there from TLV to neighboring region countries

Very, very few.

And of those, Egypt air operates under a secret operation and RJ makes you come in 3 hours before the flight for a 45+ minute questioning before each flight.
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:54 pm

runway23 wrote:

Australia takes part in Eurovision, doesn’t make Australia any more European than Israel.


That was only for one year I believe and as a special gesture to Australia, as the Australians apparently are huge fans of the show.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:14 pm

Mortyman wrote:
runway23 wrote:

Australia takes part in Eurovision, doesn’t make Australia any more European than Israel.


That was only for one year I believe and as a special gesture to Australia, as the Australians apparently are huge fans of the show.


Actually Australia has taken part since 2015 and it will continue to do so for the next few years at least. Europe is getting bloody large.

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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:50 pm

Yes yes yes. Its NOT a geographical interpretation.

Any country that is accepted as a member of the European Broadcasting Union can enter eurovision. Not restricted to geographical europe (but few non Europeans get the camp nature of the whole event!)

Similarly in aviation (whilst the reasons may have been political support initially) they are in the "club"

Any if Turkey one day joins the EU it will still largely be physically located outside of europe.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:27 pm

It floats around actually. Depends on the Palestine situation.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:57 pm

Mortyman wrote:
runway23 wrote:

Australia takes part in Eurovision, doesn’t make Australia any more European than Israel.


That was only for one year I believe and as a special gesture to Australia, as the Australians apparently are huge fans of the show.

Actually they have taken part every year since 2015 when they participated as a "special guest".
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:28 pm

sibibom wrote:
Ashkenazi Jews make up the majority of the population of Isreal and trace their origin to Europe. Almost all of West Asia/Middle East don't even recognize Isrealsome barely tolerate). Its only in the last 2-3 decades Asian countries like India and China have warmed up to them. They were part of Asian sporting events, but boycotts and visa bans have pushed them to Europe even in terms of sports grouping.



Actually, for years Sephardi Jews made up the majority - they are the (descendants of) Jews who were expelled from other middle eastern countries back in 1948 and went to Israel (from Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, etc.

If you ever were in Tel Aviv, you'd fin the culture is very European, not Asian.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:22 am

AirFrance77W wrote:
sibibom wrote:
Ashkenazi Jews make up the majority of the population of Isreal...


No they don't. They're not even the majority of the Jewish population, let alone overall.


You are absolutely incorrect a little over 70% of Israel's Jewish population are either first generation immigrants or second generation immigrants to Israel from Continental Europe.

70% of this population originates in Eastern Europe - The other 30% from France, Germany and the UK.

The majority of Jewish people in Israel Originated in the Former Soviet Union --- Look at all of the members of government dating back to the start of Israel.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:50 am

jfk787nyc wrote:
AirFrance77W wrote:
sibibom wrote:
Ashkenazi Jews make up the majority of the population of Isreal...


No they don't. They're not even the majority of the Jewish population, let alone overall.


You are absolutely incorrect a little over 70% of Israel's Jewish population are either first generation immigrants or second generation immigrants to Israel from Continental Europe.

70% of this population originates in Eastern Europe - The other 30% from France, Germany and the UK.

The majority of Jewish people in Israel Originated in the Former Soviet Union --- Look at all of the members of government dating back to the start of Israel.


No.
 
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Re: Tel Aviv airport is in Europe?

Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:02 pm

Jeezus a little history lesson would avoid threads like this from popping up every 6 months :) Geographically they are in Asia but politically they are allied to Europe.
The main reason for this is that other countries in the middle east don't like playing with Israel so Europe welcomes it as a type of honorary member. That's why Israeli sports teams always play in European competitions, for example. Can you imagine the Israeli national soccer team playing a WC qualifier against Iran?
Although Israel is a unique situation there are other similar examples. The majority of Russia and Turkey are in Asia. Turkey's capital of Ankara is not even in Europe.

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