Morgenstern1234
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Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:57 am

Wow Vladivostok is getting popular for Japanese for some reasons looks like finally a Japanese airline will probably start flying to VVO according to (in Japanese) https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/179380 JAL plans to fly to Vladivostok in 2020 summer season with 737-800. Vladivostok apparently also got the attention of ANA according Japanese media https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Compan ... -ties-warm, If there can be 6 daily flights between Seoul and Vladivostok (KE flies A330 there during summer season) why not more flights between Vladivostok and Japan....?
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:17 am

I was in Sapporo in February and there were a lot of Russians there. It doesn't surprise me that tourism would start going the other way too. Vladivostok is a great city with a charming center uncommon to many Russian cities and an interesting waterfront.
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:13 am

Pudelhund wrote:
I was in Sapporo in February and there were a lot of Russians there. It doesn't surprise me that tourism would start going the other way too. Vladivostok is a great city with a charming center uncommon to many Russian cities and an interesting waterfront.
yes especially when
Vladivostok has an open skies policy now
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:30 pm

Off topic: Isn't Vladivostok visa-free for visiting Americans too?
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:27 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
Off topic: Isn't Vladivostok visa-free for visiting Americans too?


I know it is for Moroccans. That probably does a lot to help and give the area a tourism boost. There are many times I thought of visiting Russia and instead went somewhere else because I didn't want to deal with the visa hassle.
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:49 pm

I think JAL used to fly from Niigata to Vladivostok with 2 flights a week using 767, back in the late 1990s.
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:19 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
Off topic: Isn't Vladivostok visa-free for visiting Americans too?

Not as far as I know. Americans still need a Russian visa of some sort.

It's interesting that Asiana stopped service to Khabarovsk and Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk from Seoul, but from Japan JAL and ANA are thinking of new service to VVO.

Part of the Asiana cuts in service are probably due to their financial troubles, but the loads couldn't have been that great. Vladivostok probably has more tourist appeal than the other destinations in the Russian far east. Any new service to the region is welcome, as there are still few and expensive options to get there from outside of Russia.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:00 pm

Ah they're flying from Narita
When no other countries around the world is going to militarily stop China and its subordinate fom abusing its citizens within its national boundary, it is unreasonable to expect those abuse can be countered with purely peaceful means.
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:24 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
Off topic: Isn't Vladivostok visa-free for visiting Americans too?


Vladivostok is now Visa Free for certainly the neighboring countries and possibly Americans? Don't recall.
BUT Russia did make entry to visit the Russian Far East a lot easier. (kind of how St. Petersburg is for cruise traffic.)

Ah, correction...

"In 2017, Russia started issuing e-visas to citizens of 18 countries, for visiting Russia’s far east. The Russia e-visa is part of an initiative by the The Ministry for Development of the Russian Far East to boost tourism and development. It is valid for visiting Russia’s far east regions of Primorye, Khabarovsk, Sakhalin, Chukotka and Kamchatka. This e-visa allows travelers to enter Russia through the border crossing the territory of the free port of Vladivostok, Kamchatka or Sakhalin. The Russia Far East e-Visa has no cost, but we charge a service fee for its processing.

Citizens of the following countries are eligible to apply for the free Russia e-visa: Algeria, Bahrain, Brunei, China, India, Iran, Japan, Kuwait, Mexico, Morocco, North Korea, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates."

https://www.ivisa.com/vladivostok-visa
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:09 am

Khvtosea wrote:
AWACSooner wrote:
Off topic: Isn't Vladivostok visa-free for visiting Americans too?

Not as far as I know. Americans still need a Russian visa of some sort.

It's interesting that Asiana stopped service to Khabarovsk and Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk from Seoul, but from Japan JAL and ANA are thinking of new service to VVO.

Part of the Asiana cuts in service are probably due to their financial troubles, but the loads couldn't have been that great. Vladivostok probably has more tourist appeal than the other destinations in the Russian far east. Any new service to the region is welcome, as there are still few and expensive options to get there from outside of Russia.

Yes Vladivostok is even more popular than Moscow for Koreans visiting Russia. On another note the capacity between South Korea and Vladivostok is far more than Vladivostok and japan, 7 flights a day between Seoul and Vladivostok(including Korean air A330 in summer ) and flights from Busan Daegu and muan adding up to another 24 weekly flights mainly served by South Korean lowcosters, now compared to Vladivostok-Japan flights where there are no Japanese airlines flying to VVO and only 2 daily flights between Tokyo and VVO
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:46 am

raylee67 wrote:
I think JAL used to fly from Niigata to Vladivostok with 2 flights a week using 767, back in the late 1990s.


Not VVO, it was KIJ (Niigata) - Khabarovsk (KHV).
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:26 am

Tabito wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
I think JAL used to fly from Niigata to Vladivostok with 2 flights a week using 767, back in the late 1990s.


Not VVO, it was KIJ (Niigata) - Khabarovsk (KHV).


Ah... OK. Was it then Aeroflot or Vladivostok Avia flying Niigata - VVO or Toyama - VVO then? I remember some services between either KIJ or TOY with VVO.
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:05 am

raylee67 wrote:
Tabito wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
I think JAL used to fly from Niigata to Vladivostok with 2 flights a week using 767, back in the late 1990s.


Not VVO, it was KIJ (Niigata) - Khabarovsk (KHV).


Ah... OK. Was it then Aeroflot or Vladivostok Avia flying Niigata - VVO or Toyama - VVO then? I remember some services between either KIJ or TOY with VVO.


SU flew KIJ-VVO since 1991 until 1998.
XF (Vladivostok Air: currently HZ - AURORA) operated VVO-KIJ/TOY/NRT from 1998 to 2010.

Both SU (Tu-154) and JL (727 and 767-200) served KIJ-KHV since 1973,
then JL ceased Russian far-east service in 1994.
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:26 pm

Tabito wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Tabito wrote:

Not VVO, it was KIJ (Niigata) - Khabarovsk (KHV).


Ah... OK. Was it then Aeroflot or Vladivostok Avia flying Niigata - VVO or Toyama - VVO then? I remember some services between either KIJ or TOY with VVO.


SU flew KIJ-VVO since 1991 until 1998.
XF (Vladivostok Air: currently HZ - AURORA) operated VVO-KIJ/TOY/NRT from 1998 to 2010.

Both SU (Tu-154) and JL (727 and 767-200) served KIJ-KHV since 1973,
then JL ceased Russian far-east service in 1994.

Was there really demand back then?
. On another note could any Japanese lowcoster fly the route because there are plenty of Korean LCC’s in Vladivostok
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:31 pm

JAL currently markets & code shares with Oneworld partner S7 from NRT/KIX to VVO.
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Sat Jul 27, 2019 9:22 pm

Vladivostok is really beautiful and Asian tourists seem to be really liking it, feels really different but very close and short hop. I saw pretty much all Asian tourists in hotels there.

Found it to be really easy as a tourist, anyone can blend in that place as a local until you speak, very very diverse population of locals, my experience everyone super friendly and welcoming. Feels different for Asian visitors , but short flights and lots to see and walk around. Fun place to visit , they get alot of trans siberian railroad traffic but the place has alot more to offer as a destination. I would go back had a lot of fun and very walkable mass transit easy even not speaking the language
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:34 am

NH plans to fly to Vladivostok in March next year https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transp ... ok-flights this was 9 hours ago
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:02 am

The e-visa for Vladivostok is only issued to nationals of 18 countries, but perhaps this will change in the near future. A month ago a similar policy started for Kaliningrad, and it's open to nationals of 53 countries. Looks like they are threading slowly, testing the ground.
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:12 am

terefere wrote:
The e-visa for Vladivostok is only issued to nationals of 18 countries, but perhaps this will change in the near future. A month ago a similar policy started for Kaliningrad, and it's open to nationals of 53 countries. Looks like they are threading slowly, testing the ground.

I think sometime next year the e visa will be available for all of Russia. Obviously visa free access has a big affect on air links. Take a look at the Vladivostok seoul Air route there are up to 7-9 flights a day at moment including Korean air A330 aircraft.
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:23 pm

Its now official: NH: https://www.ana.co.jp/group/pr/201907/20190729-2.html
JL: https://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201907/005248.html

The MAIN drivers of this is the massive Chinese & Japanese investment into Russian (Sakhalin island) oil & gas. For more information on this see this: https://www.gazprom.com/projects/sakhalin2/

Japan is importing Russian LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) from just north of Japan!
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:12 am

what Aircraft will ANA use A320neo or 737-700
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:39 am

AWACSooner wrote:
Off topic: Isn't Vladivostok visa-free for visiting Americans too?


Russia waves visa for cruise ship passengers. So you can go without visa, if you’re on a cruise, and not only to Vladivostok.
 
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:18 am

Morgenstern1234 wrote:
what Aircraft will ANA use A320neo or 737-700


Not announced yet. Being a flight originating from NRT, though, A320neo is a lot more likely than 73G, with the latter based out of NGO almost exclusively nowaday (the only exception is KIX-HKG).
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:36 am

MaksFly wrote:
AWACSooner wrote:
Off topic: Isn't Vladivostok visa-free for visiting Americans too?


The Russia Far East e-Visa has no cost, but we charge a service fee for its processing

https://www.ivisa.com/vladivostok-visa


Certainly not directed to this program or Russia, as I’ve seen it in other areas and industries, but this line always cracks me up. They might as well say:

“We won’t charge you if you want one, but if you ACTUALLY want us to GET you one, we charge for that.”
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:17 am

I wouldn't be surprised to see JL do well here, especially with further connections on S7 not available ot NH. While having another path MOW isn't an option (Still no long-haul aircraft on S7 after they dumped the 767), there are 7 other Russian destinations to work as connections (of course, not digging through the schedules, I'd imagine not all of these would work.)
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Re: Japan airlines plans Vladivostok service

Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:32 am

ANA would have to make sure the Vladivostok flights connect well onto their North America and south east Asia flights from Narita (btw Vladivostok has a US consulate)

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