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Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:05 am

Hi all,

Air Tanzania proudly launched DAR (Dar es Salaam) - BOM (Mumbai) two weeks ago. The flight was operated with the B787-8 (262 seats).

Only 147 pax were inside the aircraft during the inaugural flight, so I guess that's the reason why they switched the 6h30-long flight to an A220-300 (or 787 unavailability?).
https://www.logupdateafrica.com/air-tanzania-lands-on-indian-soil-after-20-years-aviation

This flight is 2500 nm long, spending 7h in an aircraft this small, while technically feasible, must be a difficult experience. Not sure if it's the longest A220 route however.

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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:16 am

interesting they initially climb to FL350 and stay there
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:18 am

LaunchDetected wrote:
Hi all,

Air Tanzania proudly launched DAR (Dar es Salaam) - BOM (Mumbai) two weeks ago. The flight was operated with the B787-8 (262 seats).

Only 147 pax were inside the aircraft during the inaugural flight, so I guess that's the reason why they switched the 6h30-long flight to an A220-300 (or 787 unavailability?).
https://www.logupdateafrica.com/air-tanzania-lands-on-indian-soil-after-20-years-aviation

This flight is 2500 nm long, spending 7h in an aircraft this small, while technically feasible, must be a difficult experience. Not sure if it's the longest A220 route however.



BT's RIX-AUH is 200mi longer.
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:21 am

Honestly, the CSeries is probably more comfortable than most 737 max and A320Neos
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:27 am

LaunchDetected wrote:
Hi all,

Air Tanzania proudly launched DAR (Dar es Salaam) - BOM (Mumbai) two weeks ago. The flight was operated with the B787-8 (262 seats).

Only 147 pax were inside the aircraft during the inaugural flight, so I guess that's the reason why they switched the 6h30-long flight to an A220-300 (or 787 unavailability?).
https://www.logupdateafrica.com/air-tanzania-lands-on-indian-soil-after-20-years-aviation

This flight is 2500 nm long, spending 7h in an aircraft this small, while technically feasible, must be a difficult experience. Not sure if it's the longest A220 route however.


Sorry, but where it is stated, that they had switched to the A220-300? They are flying three times a week with their an B787-8 to Bombay.
And the first flight was with their single B787, they now own. Else they have now 2x Q400 and 2x A220-
Last edited by T4thH on Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:28 am, edited 2 times in total.
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:28 am

 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:30 am

T4thH wrote:
LaunchDetected wrote:
Hi all,

Air Tanzania proudly launched DAR (Dar es Salaam) - BOM (Mumbai) two weeks ago. The flight was operated with the B787-8 (262 seats).

Only 147 pax were inside the aircraft during the inaugural flight, so I guess that's the reason why they switched the 6h30-long flight to an A220-300 (or 787 unavailability?).
https://www.logupdateafrica.com/air-tanzania-lands-on-indian-soil-after-20-years-aviation

This flight is 2500 nm long, spending 7h in an aircraft this small, while technically feasible, must be a difficult experience. Not sure if it's the longest A220 route however.


Sorry, but where it is stated, that they had switched to the A220-300? They are flying three times a week with their an B787-8 to Bombay.
And the first flight was with their single B787, they now own. Else they have now 2x Q400 and 2x A220-


They switched to it at least for 1 flight (depicted on the photo), the post above mine shows that it's an exceptional issue (only 4 flights since the route launch).

Thanks for the link Armadillo
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:36 am

LaunchDetected wrote:
This flight is 2500 nm long, spending 7h in an aircraft this small, while technically feasible, must be a difficult experience.


The size itself, not so much. More the product, especially for business class passengers, will be worse. Lie flats with TV screens on the 787 vs recliners on the A220.
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:59 am

LaunchDetected wrote:
Hi all,

Air Tanzania proudly launched DAR (Dar es Salaam) - BOM (Mumbai) two weeks ago. The flight was operated with the B787-8 (262 seats).

Only 147 pax were inside the aircraft during the inaugural flight, so I guess that's the reason why they switched the 6h30-long flight to an A220-300 (or 787 unavailability?).
https://www.logupdateafrica.com/air-tanzania-lands-on-indian-soil-after-20-years-aviation

This flight is 2500 nm long, spending 7h in an aircraft this small, while technically feasible, must be a difficult experience. Not sure if it's the longest A220 route however.



If its a regular flight with this aircraft it could be, current record holder is air baltic from riga to abu dhabi.

correct me if I'm wrong
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:00 pm

What's with everyone's obsession/hatred with narrowbody aircraft on long flights? You sit in a small seat for hours and hours, regardless of whether the fuselage is a little wider or not. Why would it be a "difficult experience"?
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:11 pm

RJLover wrote:
What's with everyone's obsession/hatred with narrowbody aircraft on long flights? You sit in a small seat for hours and hours, regardless of whether the fuselage is a little wider or not. Why would it be a "difficult experience"?

and what about business jets then where one can't even stand straight?
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:18 pm

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What's with everyone's obsession/hatred with narrowbody aircraft on long flights? You sit in a small seat for hours and hours, regardless of whether the fuselage is a little wider or not. Why would it be a "difficult experience"?

They’ve never taken a long haul flight and don’t know what they’re talking about. There’s simply no more to it than that. If they had, they’d know the seat is the same but 150 punters at the gate, at baggage claim etc is preferable to 250.
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:17 pm

Vladex wrote:
RJLover wrote:
What's with everyone's obsession/hatred with narrowbody aircraft on long flights? You sit in a small seat for hours and hours, regardless of whether the fuselage is a little wider or not. Why would it be a "difficult experience"?

and what about business jets then where one can't even stand straight?


I have to double check... Is that a serious question? I would GLADLY take a small cabin private jet anywhere on this planet. I'm over 6' tall and if crawling on my hands and knees to use a tiny "lav" means that I can leave from where I want, when I want, as well as not having to walk through crowded airport terminals and then be stuck on board a plane with hundreds of other strangers, I am more than ok with that!
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:30 pm

cedarjet wrote:
RJLover wrote:
What's with everyone's obsession/hatred with narrowbody aircraft on long flights? You sit in a small seat for hours and hours, regardless of whether the fuselage is a little wider or not. Why would it be a "difficult experience"?

They’ve never taken a long haul flight and don’t know what they’re talking about. There’s simply no more to it than that. If they had, they’d know the seat is the same but 150 punters at the gate, at baggage claim etc is preferable to 250.


I flew ZRH-CDG-RDU-CDG-ZRH in 2017 and it was one of my best TATL experiences. I really hope flights like the CDG-RDU segment become way more frequent over the next years with the A321. Quick boarding as there are only <200 people, the same goes for immigration in smaller airports with low international frequencies and picking up luggage is also really nice as everyone fits around the belt without standing on each others toes.

They up-gauged this route now to a 767 but still it is pleasant to bypass the big hubs (ATL, EWR, JFK or ORD).
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:35 pm

RJLover wrote:
What's with everyone's obsession/hatred with narrowbody aircraft on long flights? You sit in a small seat for hours and hours, regardless of whether the fuselage is a little wider or not. Why would it be a "difficult experience"?


First world problem = no real problem at all.
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:08 pm

RJLover wrote:
Vladex wrote:
RJLover wrote:
What's with everyone's obsession/hatred with narrowbody aircraft on long flights? You sit in a small seat for hours and hours, regardless of whether the fuselage is a little wider or not. Why would it be a "difficult experience"?

and what about business jets then where one can't even stand straight?


I have to double check... Is that a serious question? I would GLADLY take a small cabin private jet anywhere on this planet. I'm over 6' tall and if crawling on my hands and knees to use a tiny "lav" means that I can leave from where I want, when I want, as well as not having to walk through crowded airport terminals and then be stuck on board a plane with hundreds of other strangers, I am more than ok with that!


so the only benefit is that there are no other people but I guess it gets claustrophobic and lonely after a couple of hours anyway that is if one is social and likes outdoors
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:14 pm

spinotter wrote:
RJLover wrote:
What's with everyone's obsession/hatred with narrowbody aircraft on long flights? You sit in a small seat for hours and hours, regardless of whether the fuselage is a little wider or not. Why would it be a "difficult experience"?


First world problem = no real problem at all.


I agree. With the same seat pitch of 32”, the A220 Economy seat is 18.5” wide whereas the 787 Economy seat is 17” wide. I know what I’d prefer!
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:24 pm

RJLover wrote:
What's with everyone's obsession/hatred with narrowbody aircraft on long flights? You sit in a small seat for hours and hours, regardless of whether the fuselage is a little wider or not. Why would it be a "difficult experience"?


If outfitted the same way as a longhauler, you are right. Unfortunately, many airlines have a habit of just stuffing slimline, non-reclining, non-PTV equipped euro-economy seats into the narrowbody planes. How do you fancy 9 hours in a 239 seat Wizz Air A321XLR? I spent a mere 2 hours in on a Wizz Air plane once, that was painful for my knees.
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:33 pm

spinotter wrote:
RJLover wrote:
What's with everyone's obsession/hatred with narrowbody aircraft on long flights? You sit in a small seat for hours and hours, regardless of whether the fuselage is a little wider or not. Why would it be a "difficult experience"?


First world problem = no real problem at all.


Indeed. If you fly domestic in the US, on some routes it's not that much shorter than DAR-BOM.
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:54 pm

Wow. I much more interested in the logistics of the flight but it switched to long haul on narrowbody. Thanks A.net for your downward spiral.
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:12 pm

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Wow. I much more interested in the logistics of the flight but it switched to long haul on narrowbody. Thanks A.net for your downward spiral.


Welcome to A.net, where every thread gets thrown off topic by the 3rd post.

But back to the topic, everything I've read on the A220 seems to indicate this little bird is capable of being an ideal solution for small airlines who don't have enough O&D or transit demand to make longer routes profitable with larger aircraft. I'm not sure what the technical challenge might be. At 2500 miles, DAR-BOM is well within the max range limits, assuming normal loads and fuel. As long as they have sufficient fuel for diversions during monsoon season, I don't see the problem. What other logistics were you thinking about?
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:49 pm

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Wow. I much more interested in the logistics of the flight but it switched to long haul on narrowbody. Thanks A.net for your downward spiral.


Agreed!

When I saw the title, I hoped the discussion would be about any payload restrictions and such...
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:03 pm

Dreamflight767 wrote:
Wow. I much more interested in the logistics of the flight but it switched to long haul on narrowbody. Thanks A.net for your downward spiral.


I shouldn't have added the last phrase.
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:21 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
I hoped the discussion would be about any payload restrictions and such...


Shouldn't be any. Loads of runway on both ends and 2500nm is well within the range of the A220.

PS I'd much rather be in an 18/19" wide A220 seat than a 9 abreast 17" wide 787 seat, regardless of flight length!
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:27 pm

Is,the 7 hours block time or flight time ? 7 hours seems long for a 2500 mi trip unless winds are a factor.
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:52 pm

PA110 wrote:

But back to the topic, everything I've read on the A220 seems to indicate this little bird is capable of being an ideal solution for small airlines who don't have enough O&D or transit demand to make longer routes profitable with larger aircraft. I'm not sure what the technical challenge might be. At 2500 miles, DAR-BOM is well within the max range limits, assuming normal loads and fuel. As long as they have sufficient fuel for diversions during monsoon season, I don't see the problem. What other logistics were you thinking about?

The new longer range narrowbody aircraft will open up routes and alternative frequencies. It is much better to have daily than 7 times per week. Due to the commonality of narrowbody aircraft, it will eventually be easier to acquire a fly away kit, but only after the A220 is more common.

I prefer to fly when I choose to fly. I generally prefer direct, but last time the only flight that met my needs connected in ATL with a very late arrival. Not ideal, but better than waiting. I look forward to frequency to enable more direct flights.

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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:20 pm

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It is much better to have daily than 7 times per week.

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Haha, Lightsaber, you wanna look that sentence over again..? Although I do realise that 7 times per week does not necessarily always mean daily...
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:22 pm

wrongwayup wrote:
Shouldn't be any. Loads of runway on both ends and 2500nm is well within the range of the A220.

PS I'd much rather be in an 18/19" wide A220 seat than a 9 abreast 17" wide 787 seat, regardless of flight length!


True. You make good points.
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:14 pm

LaunchDetected wrote:
Hi all,

Air Tanzania proudly launched DAR (Dar es Salaam) - BOM (Mumbai) two weeks ago. The flight was operated with the B787-8 (262 seats).

Only 147 pax were inside the aircraft during the inaugural flight, so I guess that's the reason why they switched the 6h30-long flight to an A220-300 (or 787 unavailability?).
https://www.logupdateafrica.com/air-tanzania-lands-on-indian-soil-after-20-years-aviation

This flight is 2500 nm long, spending 7h in an aircraft this small, while technically feasible, must be a difficult experience. Not sure if it's the longest A220 route however.



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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:39 pm

Dreamflight767 wrote:
Wow. I much more interested in the logistics of the flight but it switched to long haul on narrowbody. Thanks A.net for your downward spiral.


Don't you think that the sociological aspects of aviation are just as interesting as the logistics of a given flight? It might be a downward spiral from some points of view, but it also inspires some real reflection and expression of people's thoughts.
 
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Re: Air Tanzania A220-300 on DAR-BOM (2500 nm)

Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:03 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
It is much better to have daily than 7 times per week.

Lightsaber


Haha, Lightsaber, you wanna look that sentence over again..? Although I do realise that 7 times per week does not necessarily always mean daily...

I meant to hit the 5... Oops.

Multiple times daily is even better within current generation narrowbody range.

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