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United makes EWR-LHR exclusively high-J 767-300ERs

Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:44 pm

Effective Sept. 15, 2019, all five of United's EWR-LHR and LHR-EWR flights will be flown on the new high-J 767-300ER.

https://hub.united.com/2019-07-26-unite ... 54913.html

For those unaware, the high-J 767-300ER is a nose-to-tail gut refit with 46 Polaris, 22 Premium Plus, 47 Economy Plus, and 52 regular economy seats.

https://thepointsguy.com/reviews/polari ... 767-300er/
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:50 pm

This may be an attempt to counter the 777-300s that AA uses out of JFK, which is actually a five class plane, with 8 First, 52 Business, 28 Premium Economy, and 28 Main Cabin Extra, plus 188 Main Cabin.

How is the dispatch reliability on United's 767 fleet? I know AA's is not very good at the moment.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:23 pm

This makes a lot of sense when you think of all the ULCC seats available on the city pair. United has been managing themselves pretty intelligently this past 18 months and their financials reflect this. I’m glad that they’ve seemed to have turned the corner and doing well.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:00 pm

Prost wrote:
This makes a lot of sense when you think of all the ULCC seats available on the city pair. United has been managing themselves pretty intelligently this past 18 months and their financials reflect this. I’m glad that they’ve seemed to have turned the corner and doing well.


It does make sense. They've ditched a lot of low fare economy on this plane.
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:12 pm

UA's dispatch reliability is pretty good because they are simply operating more 767-300's than AA (37 vs. 21) and because they have a defined role in the UA fleet other than "due for replacement", UA has been proactive on the maintenance with them.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:30 pm

Isn’t the B787-10 scheduled for this route next year?
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:35 pm

767s seem like a small aircraft to use to such a slot constrained and expensive airport as LHR.
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:36 pm

a320fan wrote:
767s seem like a small aircraft to use to such a slot constrained and expensive airport as LHR.

Perhaps, but these are high revenue planes. If they don’t get the backpack crowd I’m sure UA doesn’t mind.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:41 pm

Prost wrote:
a320fan wrote:
767s seem like a small aircraft to use to such a slot constrained and expensive airport as LHR.

Perhaps, but these are high revenue planes. If they don’t get the backpack crowd I’m sure UA doesn’t mind.



Exactly. United has never had trouble filling the front of the plane on EWRLHR and ORDLHR (the high-J planes are going there and Switzerland as well). This is their way of taking more business class pax without purchasing more slots and/or having too many Y seats in the market. I like the creativity.
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:43 pm

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Looks good in the video clip
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:44 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Isn’t the B787-10 scheduled for this route next year?


I don't believe so. I think they're all tagged for other TATL routes for their density given lower frequencies.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:50 pm

WOW--52 regular economy seats is about 7 rows. That's it! Talk about steerage class...

(Not that I am knocking UA's planes or service. I have flown their regular refurb'ed 767s transatlantic several times and found them quite pleasant. Certainly better than AA's models!)
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:09 pm

Will ORD get some of these 767's too, or do they already have them? For September, the three daily ORD-LHR flights are all 763ER's.
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:14 pm

rjmf22 wrote:
Will ORD get some of these 767's too, or do they already have them? For September, the three daily ORD-LHR flights are all 763ER's.


At least one ORDLHR frequency is the high-J 76L. As more enter the fleet, I think ORDLHR will have all 3 flights operated by this configuration.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:16 pm

codc10 wrote:
rjmf22 wrote:
Will ORD get some of these 767's too, or do they already have them? For September, the three daily ORD-LHR flights are all 763ER's.


At least one ORDLHR frequency is the high-J 76L. As more enter the fleet, I think ORDLHR will have all 3 flights operated by this configuration.


Nice, thanks. How many high-j 763's are in UA's fleet right now?
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:21 pm

Is London-New York the major city pair with the oldest average aircraft age, with UA and BA «leading» the way?
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:24 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Is London-New York the major city pair with the oldest average aircraft age, with UA and BA «leading» the way?


Aircraft age doesn't really matter here. These 767's are essentially brand new aircraft from the inside, and from a regular non avgeek passenger viewpoint, you'd think the plane was brand new. I imagine BA is the same.
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:48 pm

Anyone insight on how many of the total 763 fleet United planning to refit this configuration with?
Would't the 764 have been a better aircraft for this kind of refit?
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:53 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Is London-New York the major city pair with the oldest average aircraft age, with UA and BA «leading» the way?


In terms of aircraft age, perhaps, but cabin, nope! The 747s BA use on JFK are Super Hi J (86 J) with a relatively recent total cabin refit, Panasonic IFE, WiFi and basic mood lighting.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:04 pm

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Anyone insight on how many of the total 763 fleet United planning to refit this configuration with?
Would't the 764 have been a better aircraft for this kind of refit?


7 complete 2 in mod and 8 still need to go to mod. About half done.

With LHR using 8 (EWR 5 + 3 ORD) and EWR/ZRH/GVA using 2, we'll probably see 6 more routes use these planes with 1 spare. Guessing IAD GVA/ZHR for two plus IAD LHR for 3 + one more?
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:39 pm

rjmf22 wrote:
Will ORD get some of these 767's too, or do they already have them? For September, the three daily ORD-LHR flights are all 763ER's.


I heard a rumor last month that one of the ORD-LHR frequencies was going to the 777. I did not get any verification though.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:49 pm

kiowa wrote:
rjmf22 wrote:
Will ORD get some of these 767's too, or do they already have them? For September, the three daily ORD-LHR flights are all 763ER's.


I heard a rumor last month that one of the ORD-LHR frequencies was going to the 777. I did not get any verification though.


All 3 ORDLHR flights are going to the High-J configuration
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:50 pm

adamblang wrote:
Effective Sept. 15, 2019, all five of United's EWR-LHR and LHR-EWR flights will be flown on the new high-J 767-300ER.

https://hub.united.com/2019-07-26-unite ... 54913.html

For those unaware, the high-J 767-300ER is a nose-to-tail gut refit with 46 Polaris, 22 Premium Plus, 47 Economy Plus, and 52 regular economy seats.

https://thepointsguy.com/reviews/polari ... 767-300er/


What's the difference between their Premium Plus and Economy Plus?
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:53 pm

terefere wrote:
adamblang wrote:
Effective Sept. 15, 2019, all five of United's EWR-LHR and LHR-EWR flights will be flown on the new high-J 767-300ER.

https://hub.united.com/2019-07-26-unite ... 54913.html

For those unaware, the high-J 767-300ER is a nose-to-tail gut refit with 46 Polaris, 22 Premium Plus, 47 Economy Plus, and 52 regular economy seats.

https://thepointsguy.com/reviews/polari ... 767-300er/


What's the difference between their Premium Plus and Economy Plus?


EconomyPlus is simply extra leg room. PremiumPlus is true premium economy: wider seats, free alcohol, amenity kit, enhanced meals, Saks 5th blanket/pillow etc.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:41 pm

Interesting how they deactivated two of the overwing exits.
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:05 pm

B777LRforeveR wrote:
Anyone insight on how many of the total 763 fleet United planning to refit this configuration with?
Would't the 764 have been a better aircraft for this kind of refit?


All total 17 frames starting from the 1998 build s up to and including the the ex-HA birds will be configured this way. The remaining 763s will remain the same with 30 Polaris seats and 184 coach seats. The lone exception are 7 frames that were delivered in 1991 and early 1992 those frames are supposed to be retired and will keep the diamond seat configuration but there is speculation UA may keep these frames around as a result of the MAX grounding.

As far as the 764s I don't think they would be a better choice because what UA is going after are higher yields on routes like EWR-LHR/GVA/ZRH, ORD-LHR (has been announced first aircraft is already on UA938) and we believe IAD-GVA/ZRH and perhaps IAD-LHR. The new seat map for the 764s once UA starts Polaris/PE installation will be 34/18/175, even if UA was to expand the Polaris cabin on the 764 past door 2L/R their would still be a vast number of seat in coach on these premium heavy 763s there are only 99 seats in E+ and E- total. Outside of the summer travel season I think the premium heavy 763s are the best aircraft for these routes as demand for regular coach seats falls but demand for premium seats remains strong.

During the height of the summer travel season May through early September I think 1 out of the 5 EWR-LHR and 1 out of the 3 ORD-LHR flights should be upguaged a 77E to accommodate increase demand for coach seats which shouldn't hurt yields to much.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:12 pm

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WOW--52 regular economy seats is about 7 rows. That's it! Talk about steerage class...

(Not that I am knocking UA's planes or service. I have flown their regular refurb'ed 767s transatlantic several times and found them quite pleasant. Certainly better than AA's models!)


No, it's 13 rows of middle seats. The economy plus seats will be in sets of two along the windows. The window seats will have a different pitch than the middle seats, so they won't even line up.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:45 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
UALFAson wrote:
WOW--52 regular economy seats is about 7 rows. That's it! Talk about steerage class...

(Not that I am knocking UA's planes or service. I have flown their regular refurb'ed 767s transatlantic several times and found them quite pleasant. Certainly better than AA's models!)


No, it's 13 rows of middle seats. The economy plus seats will be in sets of two along the windows. The window seats will have a different pitch than the middle seats, so they won't even line up.


The last couple rows along the windows are also standard economy.
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:48 am

Basically, this is telling UA to please build a MOM, especially going with a 1-1-1 J class, which is why you only need 2 overwing exits on these frames. UA knows its base and won't chase low yields.

That said, I have to wonder if UA might consider a top-up B788 order with this larger J layout as well (46-50 J seats), in 1-2-1...the MTOW difference is 41 tons, but one could easily do 190 seats or so in 4 classes (the other advantage being that one could use the LD3 instead of having to use the LD2), and that could also be a p.s. replacement all in one shot as well. It would be a major drop in capacity, but a major increase in yield. This, like the B78X, would be EWR-based primarily...for LAX, SFO, LHR, and Switzerland mostly. The oldest international planes would then be the pmCO B752 fleet...and then UA could focus on replacing those aging mainline narrowbodies.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:17 am

rjmf22 wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Is London-New York the major city pair with the oldest average aircraft age, with UA and BA «leading» the way?


Aircraft age doesn't really matter here. These 767's are essentially brand new aircraft from the inside, and from a regular non avgeek passenger viewpoint, you'd think the plane was brand new. I imagine BA is the same.


Just because it doesn’t matter, doesn’t mean it isn’t interesting ;)
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:37 am

the UA press release states that they’re now the US airline with the most premium seats between NY/NJ and london. how far behind BA (and possibly VS) is UA? my assumption is that BA more than doubles UA’s count.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:13 pm

I always liked the 767 for economy or business first. It should still be a good for this route in terms of weight and fuel burn. Very right sized.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:37 pm

so how long will the 767 fly these routes once fuel prices go up again?
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:54 pm

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so how long will the 767 fly these routes once fuel prices go up again?


:confused:

The same question could apply to other members of the fleet, like the 772/E's.
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:17 pm

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so how long will the 767 fly these routes once fuel prices go up again?


Fuel prices wouldn’t be my concern. My concern will be how long the premium market stays healthy. In the recession starting in 2008, business class demand dropped off quite quickly. 30% less business class demand resulting in dropping fares would be what causes these planes to get parked or refurbished.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:22 pm

rnav2dlrey wrote:
the UA press release states that they’re now the US airline with the most premium seats between NY/NJ and london. how far behind BA (and possibly VS) is UA? my assumption is that BA more than doubles UA’s count.


That sounds about right, but given the current state of Club World, those seats aren't really comparable with Polaris.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:41 pm

Well I just looked at prices, and UA EWR - LHR no stop are basically 351$
Doesn’t sound too premium to me
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:44 pm

Assuming the aircraft are available, wouldn't BRU also be a good candidate for the high J 767?
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:49 pm

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Well I just looked at prices, and UA EWR - LHR no stop are basically 351$
Doesn’t sound too premium to me

*premium heavy ... economy is still economy.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:07 pm

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Well I just looked at prices, and UA EWR - LHR no stop are basically 351$
Doesn’t sound too premium to me


Exactly the point of this aircraft - shrinking the economy cabin because there is little money to be made there. The high-yield, last-minute business class bookings make this route profitable, so this aircraft is specifically designed to increase that availability.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:35 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
UALFAson wrote:
WOW--52 regular economy seats is about 7 rows. That's it! Talk about steerage class...

(Not that I am knocking UA's planes or service. I have flown their regular refurb'ed 767s transatlantic several times and found them quite pleasant. Certainly better than AA's models!)


No, it's 13 rows of middle seats. The economy plus seats will be in sets of two along the windows. The window seats will have a different pitch than the middle seats, so they won't even line up.


Thanks for the clarification. I was wondering how they got 7 rows of 7 across but then an extra 3 middle seats for 52 total.
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:07 pm

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oschkosch wrote:
so how long will the 767 fly these routes once fuel prices go up again?


Fuel prices wouldn’t be my concern. My concern will be how long the premium market stays healthy. In the recession starting in 2008, business class demand dropped off quite quickly. 30% less business class demand resulting in dropping fares would be what causes these planes to get parked or refurbished.


As I see it the problem is three fold. Fuel prices is probably the least important factor. With vehicle electrification progressing rapidly, it is doubtful we will see a return to $150+/barrel oil. But a recession could be devastating to these high-J planes/routes. They have to sell these J seats for a good price to make the flight profitable. They don't have as much of a cushion from selling the cheap Y fares if J demand weakens.

And finally, the 321neo/xlr is going to crush this market. The CASM is ~25%+ lower than the 767-300. Jetblue could literally make a 321 with mint in half the plane, sell the tickets for half of what UA is charging and make boatloads of money. It's happened on lax/sfo-nyc. There's no reason to think it won't happen on nyc-lon once the planes that can do it show up.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:19 pm

MKIAZ wrote:
Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
oschkosch wrote:
so how long will the 767 fly these routes once fuel prices go up again?


Fuel prices wouldn’t be my concern. My concern will be how long the premium market stays healthy. In the recession starting in 2008, business class demand dropped off quite quickly. 30% less business class demand resulting in dropping fares would be what causes these planes to get parked or refurbished.


As I see it the problem is three fold. Fuel prices is probably the least important factor. With vehicle electrification progressing rapidly, it is doubtful we will see a return to $150+/barrel oil. But a recession could be devastating to these high-J planes/routes. They have to sell these J seats for a good price to make the flight profitable. They don't have as much of a cushion from selling the cheap Y fares if J demand weakens.

And finally, the 321neo/xlr is going to crush this market. The CASM is ~25%+ lower than the 767-300. Jetblue could literally make a 321 with mint in half the plane, sell the tickets for half of what UA is charging and make boatloads of money. It's happened on lax/sfo-nyc. There's no reason to think it won't happen on nyc-lon once the planes that can do it show up.


You only see half of the story. If like you said recession hits, UA would have the ability to sell more J seats at discounted price and avoid to fish for the barrel of cheap Y fares. While the other airlines (AA, with its 20J B788), would have no room to maneuver such situation, one hand it will be forced to match the price of UA, and yet it would loose ability to control the capacity and pricing.

In last recession, BA did relatively better than AF and LH was due to its premium heavy strategy. It had the capacity to lower the premium price and it was able to match other's price when price was up, as it had more seats available. While other airlines engaged in price war to compete for $100 transatlantic fares (figuratively speaking), BA was able to lure more flyers to pay $1000 for its J product. The economic is that, if airline can make 46 people for $1000 J while 100 people pay $100 Y, is much better than 20 people pay $1000 J and 200 people pay $100 Y. Of course this comparison is overly simplified. But for a premium heavy market, a premium heavy airplane is the answer if you want to survive such competitiveness.

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Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:20 pm

MKIAZ wrote:
Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
oschkosch wrote:
so how long will the 767 fly these routes once fuel prices go up again?


Fuel prices wouldn’t be my concern. My concern will be how long the premium market stays healthy. In the recession starting in 2008, business class demand dropped off quite quickly. 30% less business class demand resulting in dropping fares would be what causes these planes to get parked or refurbished.


As I see it the problem is three fold. Fuel prices is probably the least important factor. With vehicle electrification progressing rapidly, it is doubtful we will see a return to $150+/barrel oil. But a recession could be devastating to these high-J planes/routes. They have to sell these J seats for a good price to make the flight profitable. They don't have as much of a cushion from selling the cheap Y fares if J demand weakens.

And finally, the 321neo/xlr is going to crush this market. The CASM is ~25%+ lower than the 767-300. Jetblue could literally make a 321 with mint in half the plane, sell the tickets for half of what UA is charging and make boatloads of money. It's happened on lax/sfo-nyc. There's no reason to think it won't happen on nyc-lon once the planes that can do it show up.


JetBlue, for one, doesn’t yet have access to slots at LHR -the preferred business traveler airport in London. Plus, a few A321s is not going to disrupt this massive business market. B6 likely would not fly out of EWR - while it serves a good portion of NYC, there is still a ton of business demand from Northern Jersey.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:27 pm

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B777LRforeveR wrote:
Anyone insight on how many of the total 763 fleet United planning to refit this configuration with?
Would't the 764 have been a better aircraft for this kind of refit?


All total 17 frames starting from the 1998 build s up to and including the the ex-HA birds will be configured this way. The remaining 763s will remain the same with 30 Polaris seats and 184 coach seats. The lone exception are 7 frames that were delivered in 1991 and early 1992 those frames are supposed to be retired and will keep the diamond seat configuration but there is speculation UA may keep these frames around as a result of the MAX grounding.

As far as the 764s I don't think they would be a better choice because what UA is going after are higher yields on routes like EWR-LHR/GVA/ZRH, ORD-LHR (has been announced first aircraft is already on UA938) and we believe IAD-GVA/ZRH and perhaps IAD-LHR. The new seat map for the 764s once UA starts Polaris/PE installation will be 34/18/175, even if UA was to expand the Polaris cabin on the 764 past door 2L/R their would still be a vast number of seat in coach on these premium heavy 763s there are only 99 seats in E+ and E- total. Outside of the summer travel season I think the premium heavy 763s are the best aircraft for these routes as demand for regular coach seats falls but demand for premium seats remains strong.

During the height of the summer travel season May through early September I think 1 out of the 5 EWR-LHR and 1 out of the 3 ORD-LHR flights should be upguaged a 77E to accommodate increase demand for coach seats which shouldn't hurt yields to much.

Per the flying together article UAL is planning 21 767’s in the high J configuration.

“We expect to introduce all 21 reconfigured 767-300ERs to our fleet by the end of next year”
 
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Re: United makes EWR-LHR exclusively high-J 767-300ERs

Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:53 pm

Also, it should be noted: that these re-configured UA B763s will only have 163 seats available for sale, as 4 will be permanently blocked for flight attendants (43A/B and 44A/B). As such, the effective configuration is: J46-W22-Y+52-Y43.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-763-with-46-biz/

If the B764s weren't largely an EWR-based fleet, and also needed on shorter hops such as EWR-SJU, then they would likely have been candidates for the retrofit.

The birds purchased from HA will be 163+4 seat birds as well. A part of me also says that these should also deployed on p.s. services as well...with the current p.s. subfleet retired, as for EWR to LAX and SFO, you can have a pricing premium on a less-dense plane and more flexibility. Basically, UA will be flying these B763s until they are close to timing out.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:47 pm

I believe that on the high-J 763s, one of the J seats, 1A, is reserved for pilot rest seat, on TATL flights. So effectively 45J.
 
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Re: United makes EWR-LHR exclusively high-J 767-300ERs

Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:22 pm

rnav2dlrey wrote:
the UA press release states that they’re now the US airline with the most premium seats between NY/NJ and london. how far behind BA (and possibly VS) is UA? my assumption is that BA more than doubles UA’s count.


By my math (including F, J & W)

DL - 64 seats daily (2x 332)
AA - 298 seats daily (2x 77W, 2x 772)
UA - 340 seats daily (5x 763)
VS - 492 seats daily (3x 346, 3x 333)
BA - 1,088 seats daily (6x 747, 1x LHR 772, 1x LGW 772, 1x LCY from JFK plus 1x LHR 772 and 1x 788 from EWR)

BA's W isn't the best of offerings but for comparison sake I still included it.
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Re: United makes EWR-LHR exclusively high-J 767-300ERs

Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:29 pm

COEWR787 wrote:
I believe that on the high-J 763s, one of the J seats, 1A, is reserved for pilot rest seat, on TATL flights. So effectively 45J.


Does EWR-LHR require 3 pilots or just 2?
 
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Re: United makes EWR-LHR exclusively high-J 767-300ERs

Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:29 pm

apodino wrote:
This may be an attempt to counter the 777-300s that AA uses out of JFK, which is actually a five class plane, with 8 First, 52 Business, 28 Premium Economy, and 28 Main Cabin Extra, plus 188 Main Cabin.

How is the dispatch reliability on United's 767 fleet? I know AA's is not very good at the moment.


UA's 767 fleet (-300ER and -400ER) do have maintenance delays, but the airline has invested nose to tail to make these birds as new as possible, including updated avionics, cabin interiors in all classes. American has not done so, with the exception of cosmetic changes to the premium cabin, first done in the mid-2000s leaving the rest of the plane in its 1980s glory, except for 9 763s delivered after the TWA acquisition, one of which I believe was lost in the ORD fire 2 years ago. Pretty sure AA has invested in keeping the maintenance on these planes in good working order but no significant overhauls like DL and UA have done.

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