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Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:33 am

When that thread on Pan Am service to Tehran was active a couple of days back, I had mentioned a blog I found that confirmed aircraft types for JFK-FCO-IST-THR during the 1970s. Digging through said blog, I found another mystery:

https://americansiniran1978.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/our-first-day-back-in-the-states/

Who the heck was running an L1011 between PHL and BWI in late 1970s? Even under regulation that seems like a lot of plane for very little route. Might this have been a tag-on heading either out west or to Europe? Or was this a one-off to move Iran evacuees and the Tristar was what was there?
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:46 am

At one point, Eastern ran a TriStar on PHL-BWI-BDA. Not sure how long that lasted.
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:19 am

TW41 operated PHL-JFK-SFO with an L-1011 in 1982. Not certain how long this lasted.
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:30 am

I flew on an Eastern Tristar from Toronto to Buffalo at one point ..... about 15 minutes flight time !
Flown - B707 727 737 747 757 767 777 787 A300 310 319 320 321 330 340 Concorde BAC111 TU154 VC10 F27 F28 F100 DC3 DC8 DC9 DC10 L1011 L188 DHC6 DHC7 DHC8 E135 E145 HS748 MD11 ST27 CV580 S340 ATR42 J31
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:36 am

I think several L-1011s flew FLL-MIA. TWA also flew PHL-JFK on the 1011.
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:49 am

Let’s not forget United OAK-SFO!
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:52 am

Not much after this in the early 80s United ran a DC-10 IAD-BWI, last flight of the day. there were a lot of these odd short-hauls back then.
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:24 pm

B0pp0 wrote:
When that thread on Pan Am service to Tehran was active a couple of days back, I had mentioned a blog I found that confirmed aircraft types for JFK-FCO-IST-THR during the 1970s. Digging through said blog, I found another mystery:

https://americansiniran1978.wordpress.com/2010/01/16/our-first-day-back-in-the-states/

Who the heck was running an L1011 between PHL and BWI in late 1970s? Even under regulation that seems like a lot of plane for very little route. Might this have been a tag-on heading either out west or to Europe? Or was this a one-off to move Iran evacuees and the Tristar was what was there?


I know most of the short range wide-body flights out of PHL in the 70s and the only one it could possibly be is EAL. Here is a full list that I recall, just for entertainment:

National - PHL-LGA D10
United - PHL-IAD D10
Eastern - PHL-SYR L10, PHL-BWI L10
Delta - PHL-LGA D10, L10
Pan Am - PHL-JFK 747
Northwest - PHL-EWR D10
TWA - PHL-JFK L10
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:30 pm

I worked scheduling and routing for EAL back then. The L-1011s (wide bodies) were required to be in a maintenance base every night. So you would see a lot of short tags at the end of the flying day to get them to maintenance, like FLL-MIA-FLL or BWI-PHL-BWI. This also helped move a crew back to a crew base as well. Thats all it was.

Narrow bodies had to be in maintenance every third night.
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:56 pm

kellmark wrote:
I worked scheduling and routing for EAL back then. The L-1011s (wide bodies) were required to be in a maintenance base every night. So you would see a lot of short tags at the end of the flying day to get them to maintenance, like FLL-MIA-FLL or BWI-PHL-BWI. This also helped move a crew back to a crew base as well. Thats all it was.

Narrow bodies had to be in maintenance every third night.


What sort of maintenance was required nightly ?
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:30 pm

kellmark wrote:
The L-1011s (wide bodies) were required to be in a maintenance base every night.


Interesting. From May 1976 or so, Eastern overnighted an L-1011 (in the early 80s, an A-300) every night at San Antonio. There were airline maintenance options available at SAT, but I don't recall Eastern having a specific group that supported EA's 8-9 daily flights from the airport.
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:55 pm

modernArt wrote:
kellmark wrote:
The L-1011s (wide bodies) were required to be in a maintenance base every night.


Interesting. From May 1976 or so, Eastern overnighted an L-1011 (in the early 80s, an A-300) every night at San Antonio. There were airline maintenance options available at SAT, but I don't recall Eastern having a specific group that supported EA's 8-9 daily flights from the airport.


Same with RDU. The overnighting L-1011 (sometimes A300) operation survived from the late 70s until 1981.
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:44 pm

DL ran L10s BDL-BOS-BDA and return for decades. Same with MIA-FLL and vice versa as tags. Also they had some interesting city pairs in the 80s with the L10 such as PBI-MCO, ATL-TYS, SEA-PDX...
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:41 pm

MIA-FLL Delta L10 or Eastern L10/A300 long time ago.

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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:34 pm

JannEejit wrote:
kellmark wrote:
I worked scheduling and routing for EAL back then. The L-1011s (wide bodies) were required to be in a maintenance base every night. So you would see a lot of short tags at the end of the flying day to get them to maintenance, like FLL-MIA-FLL or BWI-PHL-BWI. This also helped move a crew back to a crew base as well. Thats all it was.

Narrow bodies had to be in maintenance every third night.


What sort of maintenance was required nightly ?



Whatever the maintenance program called for. It could have been as little as an oil change or minor inspection, to a flap lubrication, etc. There are hundreds of different items that could be required. Each item becomes required when their specified limit is up, measured by either flight hours, or calendar days, or landings and takeoffs. This was for the line maintenance program. For heavy maintenance the aircraft were taken out of service for extended periods. The L-1011s were considered to be much more complex aircraft than the narrow bodied ones, and had their share of reliability issues, so that is why their schedules were set up that way.
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:03 pm

millionsofmiles wrote:
modernArt wrote:
kellmark wrote:
The L-1011s (wide bodies) were required to be in a maintenance base every night.


Interesting. From May 1976 or so, Eastern overnighted an L-1011 (in the early 80s, an A-300) every night at San Antonio. There were airline maintenance options available at SAT, but I don't recall Eastern having a specific group that supported EA's 8-9 daily flights from the airport.


Same with RDU. The overnighting L-1011 (sometimes A300) operation survived from the late 70s until 1981.


Where all did Eastern have maintenance bases? RDU is surprising since CLT was a hub for them and wasn't.
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:07 pm

kellmark wrote:
I worked scheduling and routing for EAL back then. The L-1011s (wide bodies) were required to be in a maintenance base every night. So you would see a lot of short tags at the end of the flying day to get them to maintenance, like FLL-MIA-FLL or BWI-PHL-BWI. This also helped move a crew back to a crew base as well. Thats all it was.

Narrow bodies had to be in maintenance every third night.


Yes! My mother worked for EA at BDL and we often flew on #945 to SJU and on to the USVI. Always an L-1011 that flew LGA-BDL-BOS-SJU.
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:13 pm

catiii wrote:
DL ran L10s BDL-BOS-BDA and return for decades. Same with MIA-FLL and vice versa as tags. Also they had some interesting city pairs in the 80s with the L10 such as PBI-MCO, ATL-TYS, SEA-PDX...


EA flew BDL-BOS-SJU with the L-1011 at the same time Delta had that flight...for many years. They often departed BDL at the same time....and often ending up “racing” each other to BOS! Crews often trying to best each other for shortest flight time!! Flew the EA flight often and the pilots would point that out. One flight was 14 minutes once!
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:32 pm

kellmark wrote:
I worked scheduling and routing for EAL back then. The L-1011s (wide bodies) were required to be in a maintenance base every night. So you would see a lot of short tags at the end of the flying day to get them to maintenance, like FLL-MIA-FLL or BWI-PHL-BWI. This also helped move a crew back to a crew base as well. Thats all it was.

Narrow bodies had to be in maintenance every third night.


Thanks for the info. It's always nice to hear from someone with actual knowledge of the business.
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:48 pm

kellmark wrote:
I worked scheduling and routing for EAL back then. The L-1011s (wide bodies) were required to be in a maintenance base every night. So you would see a lot of short tags at the end of the flying day to get them to maintenance, like FLL-MIA-FLL or BWI-PHL-BWI. This also helped move a crew back to a crew base as well. Thats all it was.


That they had some paying customers was merely a bonus. Thanks for the explanation.

I'm to assume that after BWI it probably ended up going to ATL or FLL.
 
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Re: Historical Question: L1011 PHL-BWI, circa late 1978

Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:27 pm

Eastern 809 flew PHL-BAL-BDA -- left PHL around 1030. The 10/77 OAG says L10; the 3/78 says it would change from 72S to L10 on 20 March. June 1978 timetable shows L10.

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