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OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:06 pm

FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

******************************THIS WEEK there were some data issues from the source file, so take it with a grain of salt...

3E ATL-MKL NOV 0>0.8[0.9] DEC 0>0.9[0.8] JAN 0>0.9[0] FEB 0>0.9[0] MAR 0>0.9[0.8] MAY 0>0.8[0.9]
3E BRL-STL DEC 0>1.9[1.8] MAY 0>1.8[1.9]
3E DSI-MKL OCT 0>0.5[0] NOV 0>0.6[0] DEC 0>0.6[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.6[0] APR 0>0.6[0] MAY 0>0.6[0]
3E IWD-MSP OCT 0>1.0[0.8] JAN 0>1.0[0.7] FEB 0>1.0[0.7] MAR 0>1.0[0.7] APR 0>1.0[0.7] MAY 0>1.0[0.7]
3E IWD-ORD NOV 0>1.8[1.9] DEC 0>1.9[1.8] MAR 0>1.9[1.8] MAY 0>1.8[1.9]
3E JBR-MKL OCT 0>0.5[0] NOV 0>0.6[0] DEC 0>0.6[0] JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.6[0] APR 0>0.6[0] MAY 0>0.6[0]
3E MKL-STL JAN 0>1.7[3] FEB 0>1.8[3] MAR 0>1.7[1.8] APR 0>1.7[1.9] MAY 0>1.7[1.9]

3F CGA-KTN SEP 0>6[0.8] OCT 0>6[0.9] NOV 0>6[0] DEC 0>6[0] JAN 0>6[0.9] FEB 0>6[0.9] MAR 0>6[0.9] APR 0>6[0.8] MAY 0>6[0.9]
3F KTB-KTN SEP 3>6[3] OCT 3>6[3] NOV 3>6[0.9] DEC 3>6[0.8] JAN 3>6[3] FEB 3>6[3] MAR 3>6[3] APR 3>6[3] MAY 3>6[3]

4B AIA-DEN SEP 0.7>0[3] OCT 1.6>0[2.0] NOV 1.7>0[1.7] DEC 1.7>0[1.7] JAN 0.2>0[1.7]
4B DFW-VCT SEP 1.0>1.9[0] OCT 1.0>1.9[0] NOV 1.0>1.9[0] DEC 1.0>1.9[1.0]

4P MBL-MDW SEP 0.8>1.1[0.5] OCT 0.6>1.0[0.8] DEC 0.7>1.0[0.7]

9K ACK-JFK SEP 0>0.5[0] OCT 0.5>1.0[0.3]

AA BFL-DFW DEC 1.0>1.5[0]
*AA COS-PHX DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>0.2[0]
*AA CVG-PHX DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>0.2[0]
AA DFW-GYE DEC 0.2>0.5[0] JAN 0.4>1.0[0] FEB 0.5>1.0[0] MAR 0.4>0.9[0] APR 0.4>1.0[0] MAY 0.4>1.0[0]
AA DFW-OGG APR 1.6>2[1.7]
AA DFW-UIO DEC 0.3>0.5[0] JAN 0.6>1.0[0.7] FEB 0.6>1.0[0.7] MAR 0.6>1.0[0.7] APR 0.6>1.0[0.7] MAY 0.6>1.0[0.7]
AA DTW-PHX JAN 2>3[3] FEB 2>3[3] MAR 2>3[3]
*AA FAR-PHX DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>0.2[0]
*AA FLL-PHX DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.2[0]
AA GJT-PHX JAN 3>4[2] FEB 3>4[2] MAR 3>4[2] APR 2>3[2] MAY 2>3[2]
AA HNL-PHX DEC 1.5>1.1[1.4]
AA ORD-PUJ DEC 0.5>0.1[0.5]
*AA ORD-RNO NOV 0.9>0[0] DEC 1.0>0[0] JAN 0.2>0[0.6] MAY 0.8>1.6[1.4]
AA ORD-SJU SEP 0.4>0.7[0.3] OCT 0.3>0.7[0.3] NOV 0.4>0.8[0.3] DEC 0.5>1.0[0.4] JAN 0.3>0.6[0.5] FEB 0.5>0.9[0.5] MAR 0.5>1.1[0.6] APR 0.3>0.7[0.6] MAY 0.3>0.6[0.6]
AA PHX-SAN JAN 5>6[5] FEB 5>6[5] MAR 5>6[5] APR 5>6[5] MAY 5>6[5]
AA PHX-SLC JAN 4>5[4] FEB 4>5[4] MAR 4>5[5] APR 4>5[4] MAY 4>5[4]

AM BJX-LAX JAN 1.0>0.7[1.0] FEB 1.0>0.6[1.0] MAR 0.8>0.5[1.0] APR 1.0>0.6[1.0] MAY 1.0>0.6[0.6]

AR EZE-MCO APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.4[0]

AS ANC-SCC SEP 2>1.4[1.3] OCT 3>1.4[1.4]
AS BOI-SEA SEP 10>11[8]
AS GEG-SEA SEP 16>17[14] OCT 15>17[15]
AS PDX-SEA SEP 20>22[22] OCT 20>24[22]
AS SEA-STS SEP 2>3[2.0]

AV LAX-SAL SEP 3>4[3] OCT 3>4[3] NOV 3>4[3] DEC 3>4[3] JAN 3>4[3] FEB 3>4[3] MAR 3>4[3] APR 3>4[2] MAY 3>4[3]

CM BOS-PTY DEC 1.6>1.2[1.5] JAN 1.6>1.1[1.0] FEB 1.6>1.0[1.5] MAR 1.6>1.0[1.5] APR 1.6>1.1[1.6] MAY 1.6>1.0[1.5]
CM LAS-PTY FEB 1.0>0.8[1.0] MAR 1.0>0.7[1.0] APR 1.0>0.7[1.0] MAY 1.0>0.7[1.0]
CM PTY-TPA FEB 1.0>0.8[0.6] MAR 1.0>0.7[0.5] APR 1.0>0.7[0.6] MAY 1.0>0.7[0.5]

DL ATL-COS MAR 1.0>0.7[0.9]
DL ATL-EYW MAY 6>5[5]
*DL ATL-ONT JAN 1.0>1.7[0] FEB 1.0>1.9[0]
DL ATL-PSP APR 1.0>0.6[0] MAY 1.0>0[0]
DL ATL-PUJ SEP 1.7>1.1[2] OCT 1.7>1.1[2] NOV 2>1.4[2]
*DL ATL-RNO FEB 0.2>0.4[0.1] MAR 0.1>0.5[0.1] APR 0.1>0.6[0.0] MAY 0.2>1.0[0]
DL ATL-STX DEC 0.2>0.4[0.2]
DL ATL-YVR MAY 0.5>0.7[0.5]
DL BGM-DTW JAN 3>2.0[1.9] FEB 3>1.9[1.9]
*DL BOG-JFK DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0]
DL BOS-SFO MAY 1.0>1.8[1.5]
DL CLE-SLC JAN 0.6>0.8[0] FEB 0.6>0.8[0]
DL CMH-SLC NOV 0.7>1.0[0]
DL DTW-ITH FEB 3>2[3]
DL DTW-MQT JAN 1.9>1.1[0.9] FEB 1.9>1.0[0.9]
DL DTW-PVD MAY 3>4[3]
DL DTW-SCE JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3]
DL DTW-SWF JAN 2>1.1[1.9] FEB 2>1.0[1.9]
DL FAI-MSP MAY 0>0.3[0.2]
DL GTF-SLC JAN 3>2[2] FEB 3>2[2.0]
DL ISN-MSP MAY 2>3[2]
DL JNU-SEA MAY 0>0.3[0.2]
DL LGA-RSW JAN 2>3[3] FEB 2>4[3]
DL LGA-SDF MAY 3>4[3]
DL LHR-SLC DEC 0>0.3[0]
DL LWS-SLC FEB 3>2[1.6]
DL MCO-SEA JAN 0.8>1.4[0.8] FEB 0.9>1.4[1.0] MAR 1.0>1.5[1.5]
DL MSP-PHL MAY 4>5[4]
DL MSP-PSP JAN 1.7>1.3[1.0] FEB 1.9>1.4[1.0] MAR 2>1.5[1.0] APR 2>1.4[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[0]
DL MSP-YUL MAY 0.8>1.8[1.6]
DL MSP-YYZ MAY 3>4[3]
DL RDM-SEA JAN 2>3[1.8] FEB 2>3[1.8]
DL SEA-SIT MAY 0>0.3[0.2]
DL SEA-YVR JAN 6>5[5] FEB 6>5[5] MAR 7>6[5]

DY CDG-JFK JAN 1.0>1.3[0.9]

EI DUB-SEA APR 1.1>0.7[0] MAY 1.6>1.0[0.3]

F9 ATL-SJU SEP 0.2>0.4[0.2] OCT 0.2>0.5[0.2] NOV 0.3>0.5[0.3] DEC 0.3>0.5[0.3] JAN 0.3>0.6[0.2] FEB 0.2>0.5[0.2]
F9 BDL-MIA NOV 0>0.2[0] DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0]
F9 BOS-MIA NOV 0>0.3[0] DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] FEB 0>0.5[0]
F9 DTW-MIA NOV 0>0.3[0] DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.4[0.6] FEB 0>0.5[0.6]
F9 MIA-SJU NOV 0>0.2[0] DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] FEB 0>0.3[0]
F9 RDU-SJU NOV 0.2>0.5[0.2] DEC 0.3>0.5[0.2] JAN 0.3>0.6[0] FEB 0.2>0.5[0]

HU CKG-LAX MAR 0.3>0.5[0.3] APR 0.3>0.6[0.3] MAY 0.3>0.6[0.3]
HU CTU-LAX MAR 0.3>0.5[0.3] APR 0.4>0.7[0.3] MAY 0.4>0.7[0.4]
HU LAX-XIY MAR 0.3>0.5[0] APR 0.3>0.6[0] MAY 0.3>0.5[0]

Didn't know they were flying this
*KX DEN-GCM FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0] APR 0.3>0[0] MAY 0.3>0[0]
KX GCM-JFK DEC 0.6>0.3[0.7] JAN 0.7>0.3[0.7] FEB 0.8>0.3[0.7] MAR 0.5>0.3[0.7]

I don't know what AGC is. LOL
*L0 AGC-HPN SEP 0>0.5[0] OCT 0>0.6[0]

LA GRU-JFK SEP 0>0.2[0]
LA GRU-MCO JAN 1.0>1.4[0] FEB 1.0>1.3[0]
*LA MIA-UIO SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 1.0>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[0] FEB 1.0>0[0] MAR 1.0>0[0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0]

QF BNE-LAX JAN 1.4>1.8[1.0] MAY 1.4>1.0[1.0]
*QF BNE-ORD APR 0>0.2[0] MAY 0>0.6[0]
*QF BNE-SFO FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.4[0]

UA ACA-IAH DEC 0.3>0.5[0.4]
*UA BJX-ORD SEP 1.0>0.1[0] OCT 1.0>0[0.1] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[0] FEB 1.0>0[0] MAR 1.0>0[0] APR 1.0>0[0] MAY 1.0>0[0]
UA BWI-ORD SEP 4>3[4]
UA CGI-PAH SEP 1.9>1.4[0] OCT 1.9>1.4[0] NOV 1.8>1.3[0] DEC 1.9>1.4[0] JAN 1.9>1.4[0] FEB 1.9>1.4[0] MAR 1.9>1.4[0] APR 1.9>1.4[0] MAY 1.8>1.3[0]
UA CHS-ORD SEP 4>3[4]
UA CUN-EWR NOV 2>4[2] DEC 3>4[3] JAN 2>3[4] FEB 3>4[4] MAR 2>3[4]
UA DCA-ORD DEC 11>13[12]
UA DVL-JMS SEP 1.4>0.9[1.4] OCT 1.4>0.9[1.4] NOV 1.4>0.9[1.4] DEC 1.4>0.9[1.4] JAN 1.4>0.9[1.3] FEB 1.4>0.9[1.4] MAR 1.4>0.9[1.4] APR 1.4>0.9[1.4] MAY 1.4>0.9[1.3]
*UA EWR-GCM DEC 0.3>0.5[0.3] JAN 0.2>1.0[0.2] FEB 0.2>1.0[0.1] MAR 0.2>0.9[0.2]
UA EWR-NAS NOV 1.1>2[1.1]
UA EWR-PLS NOV 0.3>1.2[0.3] DEC 0.6>1.1[0.8]
UA EWR-STI DEC 1.0>1.4[1.0]
UA EWR-SXM NOV 0.5>0.8[0.3]
UA HSV-ORD DEC 1.5>1.9[2.0]
UA HYS-SLN SEP 1.7>1.3[1.7] OCT 1.7>1.3[1.7] NOV 1.7>1.3[1.8] DEC 1.7>1.3[1.6] JAN 1.7>1.3[0] FEB 1.7>1.3[0] MAR 1.7>1.3[0] APR 1.7>1.3[1.3] MAY 1.7>1.3[1.7]
UA IAD-PVD NOV 1.9>3[3]
UA IAH-MGA NOV 0.6>1.0[0.3] DEC 0.6>1.0[0.4]
*UA IAH-MOT SEP 0.2>0[0.2] OCT 0.3>0[0.3] NOV 0.2>0[0.2]
*UA IAH-MZT JAN 0>0.2[0.5] FEB 0>0.3[0.6] MAR 0>0.3[0.6]
UA IAH-NAS NOV 0.4>1.0[0.4] DEC 0.7>1.0[0.7]
UA MUC-SFO JAN 1.0>0.7[0] FEB 1.0>0.8[0]
UA ORD-PLS DEC 0.1>0.3[0.2]
UA ORD-SAT SEP 4>3[3]

*Y4 ABQ-CUU SEP 0.3>0[0] OCT 0.3>0[0] NOV 0.3>0[0] DEC 0.3>0[0] JAN 0.3>0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0]
Y4 FAT-GDL DEC 1.0>1.4[1.4]
Y4 GDL-OAK DEC 1.1>1.5[1.1]
Y4 GDL-ORD DEC 0.5>0.6[0.4]
Y4 GDL-SEA DEC 0.9>1.1[0.7]
Y4 GDL-SJC DEC 1.3>1.6[0.9]
Y4 MCO-MEX SEP 0.9>0.6[0] OCT 0.8>0.4[0.1]
*Y4 MTY-SAT NOV 0.4>0[0] DEC 0.5>0[0] JAN 0.4>0[0] FEB 0.4>0[0] MAR 0.5>0[0]
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:14 pm

Grand Cayman’s DEN route was originally supposed to be on the MAX. The grounding probably led to the cut.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:19 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Grand Cayman’s DEN route was originally supposed to be on the MAX. The grounding probably led to the cut.


I was a bit surprised to see one of their planes in DEN.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:25 pm

As always, thanks for this!!!

AGC is Allegheny County Airport by Pittsburgh
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:44 pm

COS-PHX is no surprise on AA. CVG is a bit surprising though. I don't believe this market was ever served by HP or US which would make this the first time this has been served by a legacy carrier since the days of the DL hub. This has to be to compete with both NK and WN who are already flying the route (WN seasonally, and I actually missed that WN started serving in 2017 somehow), not to mention AY over at IWA. I cant imagine what kind of yields AA would get on such a route either, unless they can connect passengers to points beyond PHX.

PHX-AR is another notable one and that one should do well. PHX-FLL is interesting as this was an old HP-US route. I don't quite understand AA-s FLL strategy. Did they not just end ORD-FLL service or something like that? Just when you think FLL is shrinking they add this, which is really surprising because I believe MIA is only 3X daily at the moment, not a real large amount considering it is a Hub-Hub route. Maybe it is that a lot of the traffic between South Florida and AZ is based in Broward County.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:50 pm

apodino wrote:
Maybe it is that a lot of the traffic between South Florida and AZ is based in Broward County.

I know when I lived in South Florida for three years, I avoided Miami airport at all costs. I flew out of FLL, even if it meant connecting, versus a non-stop option out of Miami.

Most of my colleagues did the same thing.
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:56 pm

Phx seems like such an easy sell for COS. America west/USAir operated the flight iirc, and so many connection opportunities to cities not served direct.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:09 pm

Cayman Airways will have saturday flights in December, I guess with the 737-300
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:11 pm

BroadwayLimited wrote:
apodino wrote:
Maybe it is that a lot of the traffic between South Florida and AZ is based in Broward County.

I know when I lived in South Florida for three years, I avoided Miami airport at all costs. I flew out of FLL, even if it meant connecting, versus a non-stop option out of Miami.

Most of my colleagues did the same thing.


The add could be a late response to B6 who just started PHX-FLL in February, and I heard is preforming well. US flew this route for many years.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:22 pm

apodino wrote:
COS-PHX is no surprise on AA. CVG is a bit surprising though. I don't believe this market was ever served by HP or US which would make this the first time this has been served by a legacy carrier since the days of the DL hub. This has to be to compete with both NK and WN who are already flying the route (WN seasonally, and I actually missed that WN started serving in 2017 somehow), not to mention AY over at IWA. I cant imagine what kind of yields AA would get on such a route either, unless they can connect passengers to points beyond PHX.

PHX-AR is another notable one and that one should do well. PHX-FLL is interesting as this was an old HP-US route. I don't quite understand AA-s FLL strategy. Did they not just end ORD-FLL service or something like that? Just when you think FLL is shrinking they add this, which is really surprising because I believe MIA is only 3X daily at the moment, not a real large amount considering it is a Hub-Hub route. Maybe it is that a lot of the traffic between South Florida and AZ is based in Broward County.

The PHX-FLL add is sub-daily and just for December/January. It’s probably just a holiday traffic add.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:24 pm

I was in DEN one day last month and saw KX shown arr with a 737-300. Wondered if that was accurate as I think they had used other carriers' lift as of late due to MAX fiasco. Sure enough, a Caymen -300 landed and raxiied by the LH 350 I was sitting by.

And AA ORD-RNO was already mentioned in the update that showed ORD-BOI seasonal cut some weeks ago.
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:27 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Phx seems like such an easy sell for COS. America west/USAir operated the flight iirc, and so many connection opportunities to cities not served direct.

As an AA frequent flyer in COS, I really hope this route goes year round and grows to 2-3x daily. If the goal really is to compete with F9 on this route, it'll have to go year round...
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:30 pm

enilria wrote:

AA BFL-DFW DEC 1.0>1.5[0]


I realize this is an increase, and I know BFL is always grateful for any added service (even if it isn't driving the premium fares needed for more service!), but wasn't it already announced that this route was going daily x2? Is this a seasonal adjustment? Any news on the route is performing?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:30 pm

apodino wrote:
COS-PHX is no surprise on AA. CVG is a bit surprising though. I don't believe this market was ever served by HP or US which would make this the first time this has been served by a legacy carrier since the days of the DL hub. This has to be to compete with both NK and WN who are already flying the route (WN seasonally, and I actually missed that WN started serving in 2017 somehow), not to mention AY over at IWA. I cant imagine what kind of yields AA would get on such a route either, unless they can connect passengers to points beyond PHX.


While NK doesn't serve CVG, F9, G4, and WN all serve CVG. In addition, F9, G4, and WN also all serve CVG nonstop from Greater Phoenix on at least a seasonal basis.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 5:44 pm

So is MSP-YYZ going mainline DL year round?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:19 pm

I didn't even know UA was flying ORD-BJX

AA dropping ORD-RNO is somewhat shocking as UA added this route somewhat recently. I think this shows how much of a preference premium UA has vs. AA in the Chicago market (I also know that part of this is that AA has more great lakes region feed to DFW than UA has to DEN, so AA can effectively serve Midwest-RNO via DFW rather than ORD while UA sort of has to fly it from ORD to be competitive).

L0 flying AGC-HPN is Reliant Air Charter. Their only other current scheduled route is ACK-DXR (Danbury, CT). In the past they flew ACK-HPN but appear to have dropped it after Tradewind really ramped up service as a second carrier on the route this summer. ACK-DXR utilizes both the King Air 90 and Citation CJ2/CJ3, a big difference between aircraft depending on the flight. What aircraft is loaded in the schedule for AGC-HPN?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:26 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
enilria wrote:

AA BFL-DFW DEC 1.0>1.5[0]


I realize this is an increase, and I know BFL is always grateful for any added service (even if it isn't driving the premium fares needed for more service!), but wasn't it already announced that this route was going daily x2? Is this a seasonal adjustment? Any news on the route is performing?


This is the 2x daily for the second half of December. I believe it was originally intended to go 2x daily in January so looks like it got moved up.

drdisque wrote:
AA dropping ORD-RNO is somewhat shocking as UA added this route somewhat recently. I think this shows how much of a preference premium UA has vs. AA in the Chicago market (I also know that part of this is that AA has more great lakes region feed to DFW than UA has to DEN, so AA can effectively serve Midwest-RNO via DFW rather than ORD while UA sort of has to fly it from ORD to be competitive).

A one-stop via DEN is just as competitive as a one-stop via DFW for most places. YOY shows that it was dropped for Nov/Dec last year too and this year it is just a slower resumption as I assume it will be bookable by Feb. May actually shows an increase in frequency.
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:54 pm

allegiantflyer wrote:
BroadwayLimited wrote:
apodino wrote:
Maybe it is that a lot of the traffic between South Florida and AZ is based in Broward County.

I know when I lived in South Florida for three years, I avoided Miami airport at all costs. I flew out of FLL, even if it meant connecting, versus a non-stop option out of Miami.

Most of my colleagues did the same thing.


The add could be a late response to B6 who just started PHX-FLL in February, and I heard is preforming well. US flew this route for many years.


And HP before that. They were on the route long before WN. I hope AA at the very least keeps this sub daily service around for a while. They've shrunk FLL to virtually nothing of late, but lots of AA FF's in the local market would like at the very least flights to AA hubs. Cutting DCA has forced two people I know who are AA FF's in FLL catchment area to either drive to MIA/PBI for AA or fly someone else. They've both switched to B6.

Historically it's always been tough to find the appropriate service level for airport in the same catchment area as a major hub for the same airline. UA at EWR now with the JFK cut demonstrates that. Similar to UA not serving OAK. Once upon a time both EA and then AA saw FLL as an important spoke because of the number FF's in the MIA/FLL catchment area. Also worth noting the airlines with large presences at FLL don't even fly to MIA (WN, NK, B6) and DL who has a huge south Florida FF base has shifted for years in terms of priority between MIA and FLL often being very piecemeal in the approach (IND from MIA only, SLC from FLL only, etc) .
 
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Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:21 pm

apodino wrote:
COS-PHX is no surprise on AA. CVG is a bit surprising though. I don't believe this market was ever served by HP or US which would make this the first time this has been served by a legacy carrier since the days of the DL hub. This has to be to compete with both NK and WN who are already flying the route (WN seasonally, and I actually missed that WN started serving in 2017 somehow), not to mention AY over at IWA. I cant imagine what kind of yields AA would get on such a route either, unless they can connect passengers to points beyond PHX.

PHX-AR is another notable one and that one should do well. PHX-FLL is interesting as this was an old HP-US route. I don't quite understand AA-s FLL strategy. Did they not just end ORD-FLL service or something like that? Just when you think FLL is shrinking they add this, which is really surprising because I believe MIA is only 3X daily at the moment, not a real large amount considering it is a Hub-Hub route. Maybe it is that a lot of the traffic between South Florida and AZ is based in Broward County.

DL serves Cvg-PHX seasonally.
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:45 pm

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******************************THIS WEEK there were some data issues from the source file, so take it with a grain of salt...

I re-ran it using an update. Here is a new version. Looks mostly the same...

4B CNM-CVN AUG 0>1.0[0]
4B DFW-VCT AUG 1.0>1.9[0] SEP 1.0>1.9[0] OCT 1.0>1.9[0] NOV 1.0>1.9[0] DEC 1.0>1.9[1.0]
4B MCE-SMF AUG 0>1.4[0]

7H BTI-FAI AUG 0.3>1.0[0.1] OCT 0.2>1.0[0.3] NOV 0.1>0.9[0.1] DEC 0.0>1.0[0.1] JAN 0.1>1.0[0.1] FEB 0.1>1.0[0.1] MAR 0.1>1.0[0.1] APR 0.1>1.0[0.1]
7H BTI-FYU AUG 0.5>0[0.6] OCT 0.5>0[0.7] NOV 0.6>0[0.7] DEC 0.6>0[0.6] JAN 0.6>0[0.6] FEB 0.6>0[0.6] MAR 0.6>0[0.6] APR 0.7>0[0.7]
7H FAI-FYU AUG 0.6>0[0.6] SEP 0.7>0[0.6] OCT 0.7>0[0.7] NOV 0.6>0[0.7] DEC 0.6>0[0.6] JAN 0.6>0[0.6] FEB 0.6>0[0.6] MAR 0.6>0[0.6] APR 0.7>0[0.7]

9K ACK-JFK SEP 0>0.5[0] OCT 0.5>1.0[0.3]
9K JFK-MVY SEP 0>0.5[0] OCT 0>1.0[0] NOV 0>1.0[0] DEC 0>1.0[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0]

AA BFL-DFW DEC 1.0>1.5[0]
AA COS-PHX DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>0.2[0]
AA CVG-PHX DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>0.2[0]
AA DFW-GYE DEC 0.2>0.5[0] JAN 0.4>1.0[0] FEB 0.4>1.0[0] MAR 0.4>0.9[0] APR 0.4>1.0[0]
AA DFW-OGG APR 1.6>2[1.5]
AA DFW-UIO DEC 0.3>0.5[0] JAN 0.6>1.0[0] FEB 0.6>1.0[0] MAR 0.6>1.0[0] APR 0.6>1.0[0]
AA DTW-PHX JAN 2>3[3] FEB 2>3[3] MAR 2>3[3]
AA FAR-PHX DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>0.2[0]
AA FLL-PHX DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.2[0]
AA GJT-PHX JAN 3>4[2] FEB 3>4[2] MAR 3>4[2] APR 2>3[2]
AA HNL-PHX DEC 1.5>1.1[1.4]
AA MIA-VVI DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0]
AA ORD-PUJ DEC 0.5>0.1[0.5]
AA ORD-RNO NOV 0.9>0[0] DEC 1.0>0[0] JAN 0.2>0[0]
AA PHX-SAN JAN 5>6[5] FEB 5>6[5] MAR 5>6[5] APR 5>6[5]
AA PHX-SLC JAN 4>5[4] FEB 4>5[4] MAR 4>5[4] APR 4>5[4]

AG AUA-MIA AUG 0.4>0[1.0] SEP 0.4>0[1.0] OCT 0.7>0.5[1.0]

AM BJX-LAX JAN 1.0>0.7[0.6] FEB 1.0>0.6[0.6] MAR 0.8>0.5[0.8] APR 1.0>0.6[1.0]

AS BOI-SEA SEP 10>11[8]
AS GEG-SEA SEP 16>17[14] OCT 15>17[15]
AS PDX-SEA SEP 20>22[22] OCT 20>24[22]
AS SEA-STS SEP 2>3[2.0]

B6 BOS-PDX NOV 0>0.5[0]
B6 BOS-SAN NOV 1.9>3[1.8]
B6 BOS-SFO NOV 4>5[5]
B6 BUR-JFK DEC 1.7>1.3[1.7]
B6 JFK-PAP DEC 2>1.5[1.7]

CM BOS-PTY DEC 1.6>1.2[1.5] JAN 1.6>1.1[1.5] FEB 1.6>1.0[1.4] MAR 1.6>1.0[1.5] APR 1.6>1.1[1.4]
CM LAS-PTY FEB 1.0>0.7[0.7] MAR 1.0>0.7[0.8] APR 1.0>0.7[0.7]
CM PTY-TPA FEB 1.0>0.7[0.7] MAR 1.0>0.7[0.8] APR 1.0>0.7[0.7]

DL ATL-COS MAR 1.0>0.7[0.7]
DL ATL-ONT JAN 1.0>1.7[0] FEB 1.0>1.8[0]
DL ATL-PSP APR 1.0>0.6[0]
DL ATL-PUJ SEP 1.7>1.1[2] OCT 1.7>1.1[2] NOV 2>1.4[2]
DL ATL-RNO FEB 0.2>0.4[0.1] MAR 0.1>0.5[0.2] APR 0.1>0.6[0]
DL BGM-DTW JAN 3>2.0[2.0] FEB 3>1.8[1.9]
DL BOG-JFK DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0]
DL CLE-SLC JAN 0.6>0.8[0.0] FEB 0.5>0.7[0]
DL CMH-SLC NOV 0.7>1.0[0]
DL DTW-ITH FEB 3>2[2]
DL DTW-MQT JAN 1.9>1.1[1.0] FEB 1.8>1.0[1.0]
DL DTW-SCE JAN 3>2[2] FEB 3>2[2.0]
DL DTW-SWF JAN 2>1.1[1.1] FEB 2>1.0[1.0]
DL GTF-SLC JAN 3>2[2] FEB 3>2[2]
DL LGA-RSW JAN 2>3[3] FEB 2>4[3]
DL LHR-SLC DEC 0>0.3[0]
DL LWS-SLC FEB 3>2[2]
DL MCO-SEA JAN 0.8>1.4[0.7] FEB 0.9>1.3[0.6] MAR 1.0>1.5[1.0]
DL MSP-PSP JAN 1.7>1.3[1.0] FEB 1.8>1.3[1.0] MAR 2>1.5[1.0] APR 2>1.4[1.0]
DL RDM-SEA JAN 2>3[1.9] FEB 2>3[1.9]
DL SEA-YVR JAN 6>5[6] FEB 6>5[6] MAR 7>6[6]

DY CDG-JFK JAN 1.0>1.3[1.0]

EI DUB-MCO APR 0.6>0.9[0.6]
EI DUB-SEA APR 1.1>0.7[0.6]

F9 BDL-MIA NOV 0>0.2[0] DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0]
F9 BOS-MIA NOV 0>0.3[0] DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] FEB 0>0.4[0]
F9 DTW-MIA NOV 0>0.3[0] DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] FEB 0>0.4[0]
F9 MIA-SJU DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.2[0]

FI IAD-KEF SEP 1.5>1.0[1.6]

G3 BSB-MIA OCT 0.8>0.6[0] NOV 0.9>0.6[0.9] DEC 0.9>0.6[1.0]
G3 FOR-MCO OCT 0.5>0[0] NOV 0.6>0[0.6] DEC 0.7>0[0.8]
G3 FOR-MIA OCT 0.4>0[0] NOV 0.4>0[0.3] DEC 0.6>0[0.5]

HA HNL-SEA DEC 1.0>1.5[1.5]

HX HKG-SFO OCT 0.4>0.1[0.6] NOV 0.4>0[0.6] DEC 0.5>0[0.6] JAN 0.5>0[0.5] FEB 0.4>0[0.6] MAR 0.4>0[0.6]

IB BCN-BOS APR 0.4>1.0[0.4]

JJ GRU-JFK AUG 1.0>0.7[1.0]

LA GRU-JFK AUG 0>0.3[0] SEP 0>0.2[0]
LA GRU-MCO JAN 1.0>1.4[0] FEB 1.0>1.3[0]

QF BNE-LAX JAN 1.4>1.8[1.6]
QF BNE-ORD APR 0>0.2[0]
QF BNE-SFO FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.4[0]

SV IAD-RUH NOV 0.6>0.4[0.3]

TJ ACK-HPN OCT 0.8>1.1[0.9] NOV 0.2>0.7[1.0]
TJ ACK-TEB OCT 0.8>1.0[0.8] NOV 0.2>0.6[0.9]

UA ACA-IAH DEC 0.3>0.5[0.4]
UA BJX-ORD SEP 1.0>0.1[0] OCT 1.0>0[0.1] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0]
UA BWI-ORD SEP 4>3[4]
UA CHS-ORD SEP 4>3[4]
UA CUN-EWR NOV 2>4[2] DEC 3>4[3] JAN 2>3[2] FEB 3>4[3] MAR 2>3[2]
UA DCA-ORD DEC 11>13[12]
UA EWR-GCM DEC 0.3>0.5[0.3] JAN 0.2>1.0[0.2] FEB 0.2>1.0[0.1] MAR 0.2>0.9[0.2]
UA EWR-NAS NOV 1.1>2[1.1]
UA EWR-PLS NOV 0.3>1.2[0.3] DEC 0.6>1.1[0.8]
UA EWR-STI DEC 1.0>1.4[1.0]
UA EWR-STT NOV 0.2>0.5[0.1]
UA EWR-SXM NOV 0.5>0.8[0.3]
UA HSV-ORD DEC 1.5>1.9[2.0]
UA IAD-PVD NOV 1.9>3[3]
UA IAH-MGA NOV 0.6>1.0[0.3] DEC 0.6>1.0[0.4]
UA IAH-NAS NOV 0.4>1.0[0.4] DEC 0.7>1.0[0.7]
UA MUC-SFO JAN 1.0>0.7[0] FEB 1.0>0.8[0]
UA ORD-PLS DEC 0.1>0.3[0.2]
UA ORD-SAT SEP 4>3[3]

UP MCO-NAS JAN 1.7>1.1[1.1] FEB 1.7>1.0[1.0] MAR 1.7>1.0[1.0]
UP MIA-NAS JAN 4>2[3] FEB 4>2[2] MAR 4>2[3]

VR IAD-SID DEC 0>0.3[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0] APR 0>0.4[0]
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:05 pm

JFK-BOG has been added and dropped a number of times, by AA and DL. True that demand for service to Colombia has risen, and Avianca's financial situation is precarious, but I'd be curious whether this latest effort to offer JFK-BOG will last.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:29 pm

Super88 wrote:
Cayman Airways will have saturday flights in December, I guess with the 737-300


As per airlineroute, Cayman will fly to DEN in December, March-April, and June of next year:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2019/
319 320 32N 321 332 333 722 733 735 73G 738 739 744 752 763 772 77W CR2 CR7 Q400 E145 E170 DC10 MD80
AA BA BD CO DL EI F9 HP NW NZ UA U2 WN Y4
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:41 pm

While none of the WN nonstop routes out of EWR that are being dropped are listed in today's OAG changes, WN had already on Thursday announced that it is going to be pulling out of EWR on November 2nd.
 
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Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:01 pm

JFK-BOG seems like a rather logical add for DL, and I'm pretty surprised they hadn't already added it. Where did they get the slot from?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:02 pm

That's a huge upgrade for DL on MCO-SEA in amount of flights
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:24 pm

jplatts wrote:
While none of the WN nonstop routes out of EWR that are being dropped are listed in today's OAG changes, WN had already on Thursday announced that it is going to be pulling out of EWR on November 2nd.


They shouldn't be listed in the OAG threads at all as they are pulling out on the date of their next schedule extension (which has not occurred yet).

enilria wrote:
AA GJT-PHX JAN 3>4[2] FEB 3>4[2] MAR 3>4[2] APR 2>3[2]
AA PHX-SAN JAN 5>6[5] FEB 5>6[5] MAR 5>6[5] APR 5>6[5]
AA PHX-SLC JAN 4>5[4] FEB 4>5[4] MAR 4>5[4] APR 4>5[4]

Well now we can see where some of the increases are that were mentioned in the COS/CVG/FLL/FAR release.

enilria wrote:
AS BOI-SEA SEP 10>11[8]
AS GEG-SEA SEP 16>17[14] OCT 15>17[15]
AS PDX-SEA SEP 20>22[22] OCT 20>24[22]
AS SEA-STS SEP 2>3[2.0]

Interesting that these are such close-in adds. Last minute crew availability increase perhaps?


enilria wrote:
B6 BOS-PDX NOV 0>0.5[0]

Looks like they are only flying this for 11/1 - 11/14

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UA DCA-ORD DEC 11>13[12]

Did UA get another DCA slot? I don't remember anything being cut last week. Also interesting to increase it for December when demand from DCA overall drops off.
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:49 pm

But.....everyone on a.net told me that PHX was going to be dehubbed as the weak link in the AA network.....
 
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Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:55 pm

N292UX wrote:
JFK-BOG seems like a rather logical add for DL, and I'm pretty surprised they hadn't already added it. Where did they get the slot from?

i would assume they just drop a flight to somewhere, and add the BOG flight.
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:04 am

hondah35 wrote:
But.....everyone on a.net told me that PHX was going to be dehubbed as the weak link in the AA network.....


AA trimmed the PHX operation back from approximately 300 daily departures (around the time of the merger) to a low point of about 255. They've also significantly reduced the number of days where the "flex flights" or omnidirectional midnight bank of flights operates. AA has been slowly building up the operation but now a good bit of the operation is "seasonal" in the sense that during the slower season (June - November) there are far fewer flights and destinations than during the busy season (December - May). The hub is still there but it looks fairly different than it did as it's no longer the approximately the same size year round.

The other thing about PHX is that while WN was receiving 737-800s and Max 8s their passenger numbers were growing on a year over year basis without adding additional flights. Now that the Max 8s are grounded and WN's focus is on HI, WN's capacity is once again flat. This is providing some opportunities for AA to grow in the market.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:49 am

N292UX wrote:
JFK-BOG seems like a rather logical add for DL, and I'm pretty surprised they hadn't already added it. Where did they get the slot from?


DL has flown JFK-BOG in the past. It used to be on the 737-700 circa 2012.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:56 am

ORD-RNO on AA comes and goes fairly frequently. Surprised they can't make it work during the winter ski season.

DFW-RNO seems to go from 3x daily to 2x daily and back to 3x daily somewhat frequently also.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:02 am

alasizon wrote:
jplatts wrote:
While none of the WN nonstop routes out of EWR that are being dropped are listed in today's OAG changes, WN had already on Thursday announced that it is going to be pulling out of EWR on November 2nd.


They shouldn't be listed in the OAG threads at all as they are pulling out on the date of their next schedule extension (which has not occurred yet).

Not true. WN’s current schedule goes through January 5. They are pulling out of EWR November 3.
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:47 am

apodino wrote:
COS-PHX is no surprise on AA. CVG is a bit surprising though. I don't believe this market was ever served by HP or US which would make this the first time this has been served by a legacy carrier since the days of the DL hub. This has to be to compete with both NK and WN who are already flying the route (WN seasonally, and I actually missed that WN started serving in 2017 somehow), not to mention AY over at IWA. I cant imagine what kind of yields AA would get on such a route either, unless they can connect passengers to points beyond PHX.


WN running CVG-PHX, if I'm not mistaken, is seasonal service which also coincides with the Cincinnati Reds baseball spring training in Arizona which only ran February-March, and maybe April. I don't think Reds training camp is the only reason AA is adding the route, but the timing seems to match (though AA's season stretches into the Holidays).
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:53 am

An original HP route.

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Phx seems like such an easy sell for COS. America west/USAir operated the flight iirc, and so many connection opportunities to cities not served direct.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:56 am

Anyone know whats up with Boutique (4B)? They announced CVN-ALS for July 1 but that never started. Instead they did CVN-ABQ and ABQ-ALS but the ABQ-ALS only lasted one week and the CVN-ABQ lasted one month. Now they say they're adding CVN-CNM on Aug 1 however its not in their website. I thought 4B only did EAS service so I have no idea what all this is all about.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:04 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
apodino wrote:
COS-PHX is no surprise on AA. CVG is a bit surprising though. I don't believe this market was ever served by HP or US which would make this the first time this has been served by a legacy carrier since the days of the DL hub. This has to be to compete with both NK and WN who are already flying the route (WN seasonally, and I actually missed that WN started serving in 2017 somehow), not to mention AY over at IWA. I cant imagine what kind of yields AA would get on such a route either, unless they can connect passengers to points beyond PHX.


WN running CVG-PHX, if I'm not mistaken, is seasonal service which also coincides with the Cincinnati Reds baseball spring training in Arizona which only ran February-March, and maybe April. I don't think Reds training camp is the only reason AA is adding the route, but the timing seems to match (though AA's season stretches into the Holidays).


WN can likely make CVG-PHX nonstop service work on a year-round basis since
(a) PHX is one of the top destinations traveled to from CVG that AA, DL, or WN doesn't currently serve on a year-round basis,
(b) WN has a FF base in Greater Phoenix and Southern California to support year-round CVG-PHX nonstop service,
and
(c) WN would be able to more easily connect passengers to its Southern California destinations from CVG (and vice versa) if WN extends CVG-PHX to year-round.

In addition to AA having a hub at PHX, AA offers 1-stop connecting service through PHX to some smaller regional destinations in California and Western Arizona that aren't served by WN. AA also has connecting feed from its LAX hub in addition to O&D to support seasonal CVG-PHX nonstop service.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:08 am

Chuska wrote:
Anyone know whats up with Boutique (4B)? They announced CVN-ALS for July 1 but that never started. Instead they did CVN-ABQ and ABQ-ALS but the ABQ-ALS only lasted one week and the CVN-ABQ lasted one month. Now they say they're adding CVN-CNM on Aug 1 however its not in their website. I thought 4B only did EAS service so I have no idea what all this is all about.


There is no press release on their website that shows CVN-CNM. 4B is also chasing some smaller markets that don't qualify under EAS but they think they can make money in.
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:58 am

alasizon wrote:

enilria wrote:
AS BOI-SEA SEP 10>11[8]
AS GEG-SEA SEP 16>17[14] OCT 15>17[15]
AS PDX-SEA SEP 20>22[22] OCT 20>24[22]
AS SEA-STS SEP 2>3[2.0]

Interesting that these are such close-in adds. Last minute crew availability increase perhaps?



Delta went to 8 daily from 5 on BOI-SEA. Looks like Alaska is adding a lot of seats. 11 flights a day with three of those now being 737s on some days.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:59 am

Thanks for the Boutique update. ABQ-CVN would probably do okay but it was added at the last minute and they're already cutting it after only one month. CNM is booming with oil right now, sounds like 4B could add more flights on their current routes to ABQ and DFW.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:27 am

jplatts wrote:
apodino wrote:
COS-PHX is no surprise on AA. CVG is a bit surprising though. I don't believe this market was ever served by HP or US which would make this the first time this has been served by a legacy carrier since the days of the DL hub. This has to be to compete with both NK and WN who are already flying the route (WN seasonally, and I actually missed that WN started serving in 2017 somehow), not to mention AY over at IWA. I cant imagine what kind of yields AA would get on such a route either, unless they can connect passengers to points beyond PHX.


While NK doesn't serve CVG, F9, G4, and WN all serve CVG. In addition, F9, G4, and WN also all serve CVG nonstop from Greater Phoenix on at least a seasonal basis.

You are correct. I saw Frontier and for some reason confused them with Spirit.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:31 am

Let's see how Delta does again in the BOG-JFK. When they operated that route like 4 years ago, it was only saturdays and in a 737-700. For sure the new service looks much better, with 757-200 and daily, they can now compete.

NYC to Bogota is having double daily BOG-EWR in a 737-700 from United, and double daily in 330-300 from Avianca in BOG-JFK. The JFK route needed a competitor.

I also hope United service gets better, the 737-700 in that 5 hours flight, needs a change, I hope they consider the MAX in that route, or a 757 too.
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:02 am

UA's EWR-BOG route used to be a 757, and it used to continue to UIO. This route has been in the network since the 1990's. (CO route). AA has flown from JFK, and DL used to from JFK which has already been pointed out. No one has said that EWR-BOG on UA is also 2x daily now.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:15 am

klwright69 wrote:
UA's EWR-BOG route used to be a 757, and it used to continue to UIO. This route has been in the network since the 1990's. (CO route). AA has flown from JFK, and DL used to from JFK which has already been pointed out. No one has said that EWR-BOG on UA is also 2x daily now.


UA EWR-BOG is 2x daily now.

EWR-BOG:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ua1068
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ua1558

BOG-EWR:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ua1069
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ua1559

It use to be seasonal double daily, I don't know if is seasonal or is now year round.
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Re: OAG Changes 7/28/2019:AA Adds PHX-COS/CVG/FAR, Drops ORDRNO;DL Adds JFKBOG;KX Drops DEN;UA Drops BJX-ORD

Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:56 pm

nkops wrote:
As always, thanks for this!!!

AGC is Allegheny County Airport by Pittsburgh

Thanks. It's another PIT Airport? Hmm...
jplatts wrote:
While none of the WN nonstop routes out of EWR that are being dropped are listed in today's OAG changes, WN had already on Thursday announced that it is going to be pulling out of EWR on November 2nd.

alasizon wrote:
They shouldn't be listed in the OAG threads at all as they are pulling out on the date of their next schedule extension (which has not occurred yet).

Good point. They will be going from 0 to 0.
drdisque wrote:
I didn't even know UA was flying ORD-BJX

BJX is more of an auto business route. ORD makes less sense for that to work,
Vctony wrote:
hondah35 wrote:
But.....everyone on a.net told me that PHX was going to be dehubbed as the weak link in the AA network.....


AA trimmed the PHX operation back from approximately 300 daily departures (around the time of the merger) to a low point of about 255. They've also significantly reduced the number of days where the "flex flights" or omnidirectional midnight bank of flights operates. AA has been slowly building up the operation but now a good bit of the operation is "seasonal" in the sense that during the slower season (June - November) there are far fewer flights and destinations than during the busy season (December - May). The hub is still there but it looks fairly different than it did as it's no longer the approximately the same size year round.

The other thing about PHX is that while WN was receiving 737-800s and Max 8s their passenger numbers were growing on a year over year basis without adding additional flights. Now that the Max 8s are grounded and WN's focus is on HI, WN's capacity is once again flat. This is providing some opportunities for AA to grow in the market.

You don't close hubs when the economy is kicking. When there is a recession we could see something like that, but no reason to do that now. OTOH, WN is much weaker than they used to be (costs have gone up a lot), so AA may have stabilized their situation.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:08 pm

enilria wrote:
drdisque wrote:
I didn't even know UA was flying ORD-BJX

BJX is more of an auto business route. ORD makes less sense for that to work


There is some VFR (Y4 flies MDW-BJX), although UA has not historically been a significant player in the ethnic Latin American market ex-ORD. As you say, the midwest-BJX business demand is centered heavily on DTW.
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:08 pm

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
allegiantflyer wrote:
BroadwayLimited wrote:
I know when I lived in South Florida for three years, I avoided Miami airport at all costs. I flew out of FLL, even if it meant connecting, versus a non-stop option out of Miami.

Most of my colleagues did the same thing.


The add could be a late response to B6 who just started PHX-FLL in February, and I heard is preforming well. US flew this route for many years.


And HP before that. They were on the route long before WN. I hope AA at the very least keeps this sub daily service around for a while.


That's unlikely to happen. The flight runs daily from Dec 18 to Jan 6 and is then dropped. This is just a holiday traffic add. Maybe it might return next year for Christmas as well.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:18 pm

enilria wrote:
Good point. They will be going from 0 to 0.

Nope. Schedule is open through January 5. These flights were for sale and were zeroed out from November 3-January 5.
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:27 pm

YYZORD wrote:
So is MSP-YYZ going mainline DL year round?

According to DL it will remain using RJ aircraft.
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:33 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
enilria wrote:
Good point. They will be going from 0 to 0.

Nope. Schedule is open through January 5. These flights were for sale and were zeroed out from November 3-January 5.

If zeroed out that wouldn't appear either. But presumably they will load the change later if they will delete them.
Cubsrule wrote:
enilria wrote:
drdisque wrote:
I didn't even know UA was flying ORD-BJX

BJX is more of an auto business route. ORD makes less sense for that to work


There is some VFR (Y4 flies MDW-BJX), although UA has not historically been a significant player in the ethnic Latin American market ex-ORD. As you say, the midwest-BJX business demand is centered heavily on DTW.

True, but yeah they are chasing business travelers. Do any U.S. carriers do "well" with the ethnic traffic market? I wonder why that is? Spanish-speaking crew? Price? There may also be some security/deportation fears of a U.S. carrier being more of a risk, although I suspect it's the same.
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:23 pm

enilria wrote:
If zeroed out that wouldn't appear either. But presumably they will load the change later if they will delete them.
To be honest, I don't really know the difference between zeroed out or deleted, but you can't by a flight on WN out of EWR after November 2. You can however, still buy flights listed for sale on the MAX after November 2 despite WN saying they were going to remove them in the same press release as the EWR closure.
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