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RawSushi
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Scoot to get 16 A321neos

Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:43 am

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/scoot-taking-16-new-fuel-efficient-airbus-321neos-to-add-capacity-and-grow

This makes sense because the A320 and 787 gap is a pretty big one.

What's not mentioned in the article is that Scoot is supposed to get 14 737-800s from SilkAir, but there has been delays for this due to the 737MAX grounding. Could it have been a factor? Hard to say.

Also wondering if any of these will be the LR/XLR variant.
 
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Re: Scoot to get 16 A321neos

Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:54 am

With deliveries starting late next year they are definitely not XLRs.
 
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Re: Scoot to get 16 A321neos

Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:23 pm

RawSushi wrote:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/scoot-taking-16-new-fuel-efficient-airbus-321neos-to-add-capacity-and-grow

This makes sense because the A320 and 787 gap is a pretty big one.

What's not mentioned in the article is that Scoot is supposed to get 14 737-800s from SilkAir, but there has been delays for this due to the 737MAX grounding. Could it have been a factor? Hard to say.

Also wondering if any of these will be the LR/XLR variant.

It appears to be a (direct) consequence of the MAX debacle according to the article at Reuters, although he excellent performance of A321neo might have helped the decision as well.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sing ... SKCN1UO10X
 
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Re: Scoot to get 16 A321neos

Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:25 pm

More Pratts!

Good to see.
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Re: Scoot to get 16 A321neos

Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:04 pm

Would it be too much cannibalizing for SIA if Scoot expanded its 787 services in Europe to airports like STN,ORY,BGY,HAM,MAD,even FCO?
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Re: Scoot to get 16 A321neos

Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:39 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
Would it be too much cannibalizing for SIA if Scoot expanded its 787 services in Europe to airports like STN,ORY,BGY,HAM,MAD,even FCO?


Scoots wins seem to be very clipped, and only allowed to expand onto certain long haul markets eg Australia would be there main long haul market.

Yet The next logical step you think would of been New Zealand, but SIN-New Zealand seems to be tied up nicely by the NZ/SQ joint venture. I do wonder how much SQ partners are having an say in Scoots growth.

New Zealand to SIN on NZ/SIN
AKL-SIN 21x weekly
WLG-SIN 5x weekly
CHC-SIN 7x weekly

So there is definitely an market there for New Zealand to Singapore
 
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Re: Scoot to get 16 A321neos

Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:32 am

Asiaflyer wrote:
It appears to be a (direct) consequence of the MAX debacle according to the article at Reuters, although he excellent performance of A321neo might have helped the decision as well.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sing ... SKCN1UO10X


That's right, and with this purchase, gotta wonder if this "shelving" is temporary or permanent. 6 upgrades, 10 new planes, that a lot of new capacity if Scoot is taking the 737s as well later on.
Scoot, which has 37 A320neo family jets on order, had once planned to take 14 Boeing Co (BA.N) 737-800s from Singapore Airlines regional arm SilkAir.

Those plans were shelved after the global grounding of the 737 MAX jet because SilkAir required the aircraft to replace lost 737 MAX capacity.
 
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Re: Scoot to get 16 A321neos

Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:41 am

zkncj wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Would it be too much cannibalizing for SIA if Scoot expanded its 787 services in Europe to airports like STN,ORY,BGY,HAM,MAD,even FCO?


Scoots wins seem to be very clipped, and only allowed to expand onto certain long haul markets eg Australia would be there main long haul market.

Yet The next logical step you think would of been New Zealand, but SIN-New Zealand seems to be tied up nicely by the NZ/SQ joint venture. I do wonder how much SQ partners are having an say in Scoots growth.

New Zealand to SIN on NZ/SIN
AKL-SIN 21x weekly
WLG-SIN 5x weekly
CHC-SIN 7x weekly

So there is definitely an market there for New Zealand to Singapore


I think the purpose in their Australian routes is competition with D7 and JQ, so from SIA Group perspective it makes sense to offer the budget-conscious pax an in-house alternative than loosing them to the competition altogether. This competition does not exist to AKL (or CHC), therefore there's no reason for SIA Group to offer anything else than SQ.

For TXL and ATH one can argue that the ME3 are the main target to compete with.
 
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Re: Scoot to get 16 A321neos

Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:56 am

A350OZ wrote:
zkncj wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Would it be too much cannibalizing for SIA if Scoot expanded its 787 services in Europe to airports like STN,ORY,BGY,HAM,MAD,even FCO?


Scoots wins seem to be very clipped, and only allowed to expand onto certain long haul markets eg Australia would be there main long haul market.

Yet The next logical step you think would of been New Zealand, but SIN-New Zealand seems to be tied up nicely by the NZ/SQ joint venture. I do wonder how much SQ partners are having an say in Scoots growth.

New Zealand to SIN on NZ/SIN
AKL-SIN 21x weekly
WLG-SIN 5x weekly
CHC-SIN 7x weekly

So there is definitely an market there for New Zealand to Singapore


I think the purpose in their Australian routes is competition with D7 and JQ, so from SIA Group perspective it makes sense to offer the budget-conscious pax an in-house alternative than loosing them to the competition altogether. This competition does not exist to AKL (or CHC), therefore there's no reason for SIA Group to offer anything else than SQ.

For TXL and ATH one can argue that the ME3 are the main target to compete with.

And the demand from Australia to Singapore is just huge, warranting a lot of flights with less risk of cannibalizing existing SQ services too much.

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Re: Scoot to get 16 A321neos

Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:56 am

I am not sure what Scoot's fleet plans are for now. They only have two A320Neos (they still have 37 A320Neos on order before this conversion) and there have been no deliveries this year as they were expecting to receive the B738s from Silkair. Now that it is not happening, what expansion will Scoot see for 2019 and early 2020? They have already announced the suspension of some routes.
 
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Re: Scoot to get 16 A321neos

Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:41 am

Scoot confirms that Airbus has understood the MOM just right! :-)

Our current fleet is made up of the A-320 which has between 180 and 186 seats, and the Boeing 787 which has between 329 and 375 seats. The new A-321neo with 236 seats each sits right in the middle.
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Re: Scoot to get 16 A321neos

Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:01 am

So that means Scoot will have 10 leased A321Neos , 6 A321Neos and 31 A320Neos on order. If the plan of transfer 14 B738 from MI still intact (after 7M8 grounding ends). That will be 61 aircrafts compared to 28 currently, a double growth for Scoot

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