Blerg
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LO BUD-ORD Cancelled?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:44 pm

Good afternoon,

I was going through LO's website and noticed that there are no BUD-ORD flights loaded for the winter season and then I checked Amadeus and there is nothing as well. The route has performed horribly last winter so maybe they are planning on using the plane for their upcoming BUD-ICN flights?

LO is supposed to have a press conference this Wednesday regarding their BUD expansion so maybe they will mention this as well.

I think their whole BUD adventure will eventually collapse. LO doesn't have deep pockets in order to create a whole new hub from scratch.
 
terefere
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Re: LO BUD-ORD Cancelled?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:15 pm

Blerg wrote:
Good afternoon,

I was going through LO's website and noticed that there are no BUD-ORD flights loaded for the winter season and then I checked Amadeus and there is nothing as well. The route has performed horribly last winter so maybe they are planning on using the plane for their upcoming BUD-ICN flights?

LO is supposed to have a press conference this Wednesday regarding their BUD expansion so maybe they will mention this as well.

I think their whole BUD adventure will eventually collapse. LO doesn't have deep pockets in order to create a whole new hub from scratch.


ORD flights supposed to be seasonal now, summer only. They are still in the system from March 2020 onward. ICN is starting in September already and supposed to be all year round.
 
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Re: LO BUD-ORD Cancelled?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:33 pm

Guys, let's not worry about personal opinions, PLEASE. As for LO and BUD, for a smaller European carrier, BUD seems like a good add - limited completion on some long haul routes. Yes, lots (no pun intended) have changed since the Malev days, but for summer seasonal, it isn't a bad route. And don't forget that due to aircraft issues, LO had to use a number of leased flights (Hi Fly?) for awhile as they didn't have enough 787's.
 
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Re: LO BUD-ORD Cancelled?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:21 pm

This was mentioned in the LOT thread. ORD is going seasonal. As to why LOT chose Budapest- LOT CEO stated that they want to be the main choice of central and Eastern European airline, and looking at the map Budapest had a big gap in carriers and LOT didn’t want another airline to enter and threaten LOTs goal of being the main traditional carrier.
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Re: LO BUD-ORD Cancelled?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:39 pm

As has already been said, the route between Budapest and Chicago has turned seasonal. It's profitable enough in the summer, but closed for the winter season.

What is keeping LOT from setting up a larger hub in Budapest is LCC competition from mainly Wizzair although Ryanair and EasyJet have a significant presence in Budapest as well. That makes the short haul routes they need as feeder flights unprofitable.

Sure they face LCC competition at their home base in Warsaw as well, but it's a different case. In Warsaw, their brand awareness is much bigger than in Budapest. On top of that, they have the bonus of associating themselves with the country which does great things for that brand awareness on the local market. Because of that brand awareness, the LCC competition in Warsaw (which is already smaller than in Budapest) hurts them less.
 
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Re: LO BUD-ORD Cancelled?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:51 pm

Another money bleeding exercise. No meaningful feed at either end with the point of sale overwhelmingly on the Korean side looking for bargain fares to Europe.
 
terefere
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Re: LO BUD-ORD Cancelled?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:10 pm

lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Another money bleeding exercise. No meaningful feed at either end with the point of sale overwhelmingly on the Korean side looking for bargain fares to Europe.

They really wanted to expand capacity to ICN beyond the 5 weekly WAW-ICN, but were not able to. So this route seems to at least partially answer that. It's no coincidence they will fly from BUD on those days they don't serve ICN from WAW. And the WAW-BUD flights feed pretty well schedule wise. We'll see on Wednesday what will be the new short haul routes they will announce.
 
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Re: LO BUD-ORD Cancelled?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:23 pm

terefere wrote:
lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Another money bleeding exercise. No meaningful feed at either end with the point of sale overwhelmingly on the Korean side looking for bargain fares to Europe.

They really wanted to expand capacity to ICN beyond the 5 weekly WAW-ICN, but were not able to. So this route seems to at least partially answer that. It's no coincidence they will fly from BUD on those days they don't serve ICN from WAW. And the WAW-BUD flights feed pretty well schedule wise. We'll see on Wednesday what will be the new short haul routes they will announce.


I remember someone posting a link on a different thread that stated ICN was the most profitable long haul route for LOT. No surprise they wanted to increase flights to ICN. Too bad that Europe-Korea bilaterals are restrictive for the most part.

Glad to see LOT expand at ICN. They're lucky they got a slot in the morning considering this: http://www.slotkorea.kr/site_kaso/common/ICN.png
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Re: LO BUD-ORD Cancelled?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:22 pm

It seems that there is market from South Korea to Central Europe.
KE seems to be performing quite well on its SEL-ZAG route. Capacity was increased during the peak season.
BUD itself has been expanding quite nicely during the last couple of years securing various new routes.
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Re: LO BUD-ORD Cancelled?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:59 pm

This should have been a seasonal route from the get-go. No surprise here.
 
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Re: LO BUD-ORD Cancelled?

Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:59 am

BUD-ORD along with RZE-EWR are suspended for the winter.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... es-in-w19/
 
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Re: LO BUD-ORD Cancelled?

Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:17 am

terefere wrote:
lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Another money bleeding exercise. No meaningful feed at either end with the point of sale overwhelmingly on the Korean side looking for bargain fares to Europe.

They really wanted to expand capacity to ICN beyond the 5 weekly WAW-ICN, but were not able to. So this route seems to at least partially answer that. It's no coincidence they will fly from BUD on those days they don't serve ICN from WAW. And the WAW-BUD flights feed pretty well schedule wise. We'll see on Wednesday what will be the new short haul routes they will announce.


Except you haven't got the feed in BUD like you do in WAW

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