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Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:52 pm

An American Airlines flight was forced to divert and a number of cabin crew had to be rushed to hospital after a mysterious odour was detected onboard.

http://www.itravelapp.net/flight-forced ... ous-odour/
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:23 pm

Pretty common on the Airbus aircraft for whatever reason if you take a look at avherald, not sure it warrants a thread.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:31 pm

When an airplane diverts a crews are taken to the hospital, it warrants a thread.

Most certainly better than the “what if’s and why’s”
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:48 pm

If this is so common it causes planes to be diverted and crews rushed to the hospital. What is the underlying cause?
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:52 pm

Usually something with the bleed system.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:53 pm

The rest of the flight to LHR as well as today's AA737 LHR-PHL cancelled. N272AY was returned to service this morning in BOS though and is supposed to ferry down to PHL this afternoon. It isn't linked to any Europe trips tonight however, so unsure if it'll need any additional work upon return to PHL.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:08 pm

Seems rather interesting that only crew were rushed to hospital. Passengers were breathing different air apparently.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:52 pm

The expiration date on the AA ex USAIR A330-300 fleet has arrived and gone. When are Charlotte and Philadelphia going to join my favorite addidge " If it's not a Boeing I am not Going". AA has a huge fleet of 787 but them seem to hate the east coast and love DFW, LAX & Chicago. I am can appreciate AA flying some routes like LAX to GRU and EZE but wouldn't that 787 be better used between Charlotte and LHR. Its time AA 787 & 777-200 found CLT & PHL.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:57 pm

SteelChair wrote:
Seems rather interesting that only crew were rushed to hospital. Passengers were breathing different air apparently.


Maybe being up, walking about - you know working had something to do with it?
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:18 pm

jfk777 wrote:
The expiration date on the AA ex USAIR A330-300 fleet has arrived and gone. When are Charlotte and Philadelphia going to join my favorite addidge " If it's not a Boeing I am not Going". AA has a huge fleet of 787 but them seem to hate the east coast and love DFW, LAX & Chicago. I am can appreciate AA flying some routes like LAX to GRU and EZE but wouldn't that 787 be better used between Charlotte and LHR. Its time AA 787 & 777-200 found CLT & PHL.


You should be lucky it's not all 763s (although those are Boeing so, I guess you're going?). I for one am in no hurry to go from 2x4x2 to 3x3x3.
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:34 pm

Are these issues being experienced on DL's a333's as well?
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:38 pm

SteelChair wrote:
Seems rather interesting that only crew were rushed to hospital. Passengers were breathing different air apparently.

The passengers aren’t in a union.



I kid, I kid
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I got $20 says AA takes their 787's with GE powerplants. Just a hunch. Any takers?
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:38 pm

jfk777 wrote:
The expiration date on the AA ex USAIR A330-300 fleet has arrived and gone. When are Charlotte and Philadelphia going to join my favorite addidge " If it's not a Boeing I am not Going". AA has a huge fleet of 787 but them seem to hate the east coast and love DFW, LAX & Chicago. I am can appreciate AA flying some routes like LAX to GRU and EZE but wouldn't that 787 be better used between Charlotte and LHR. Its time AA 787 & 777-200 found CLT & PHL.

They are keeping them til at least 2021. PHL will see the 787 next year. Not sure what they will do with CLT when the 333s go.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:56 pm

SteelChair wrote:
Seems rather interesting that only crew were rushed to hospital. Passengers were breathing different air apparently.


funny how it seems to always be the case...on ANY airline 9 times out of 10
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:46 am

Lrockeagle wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
Seems rather interesting that only crew were rushed to hospital. Passengers were breathing different air apparently.

The passengers aren’t in a union.



I kid, I kid


Post of the week. From the original article cited by the OP's link:

In a statement, American Airlines said ten of the crew members asked to be taken to hospital for a medical assessment after landing.

No passengers reported feeling ill.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:21 am

SteelChair wrote:
Seems rather interesting that only crew were rushed to hospital. Passengers were breathing different air apparently.


It is normally the airline's Medical Officers that dictate blood testing after a suspected toxic fume event. Some of these events have led to permanent medical issues up to and including death. There is thought that if aware sooner and only a blood test will show ... the outcome might have been better.

It has always been my opinion, that even though respiration rate of the passengers is likely less than working crew, it is probably a good idea for them as well to go to the closest ER and explain the events for a blood test.
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:01 am

Some of the flight attendants were taken away on stretchers and were on oxygen.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:12 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Lrockeagle wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
Seems rather interesting that only crew were rushed to hospital. Passengers were breathing different air apparently.

The passengers aren’t in a union.



I kid, I kid


Post of the week. From the original article cited by the OP's link:

In a statement, American Airlines said ten of the crew members asked to be taken to hospital for a medical assessment after landing.

No passengers reported feeling ill.


Fume events are dangerous, crew members have died. You bet your ass I’m going to the hospital if I experience a fume event, the union has nothing to do with it.

For you to insinuate that the crew members are faking because of unions is disgusting.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:00 am

Boof02671 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
The expiration date on the AA ex USAIR A330-300 fleet has arrived and gone. When are Charlotte and Philadelphia going to join my favorite addidge " If it's not a Boeing I am not Going". AA has a huge fleet of 787 but them seem to hate the east coast and love DFW, LAX & Chicago. I am can appreciate AA flying some routes like LAX to GRU and EZE but wouldn't that 787 be better used between Charlotte and LHR. Its time AA 787 & 777-200 found CLT & PHL.

They are keeping them til at least 2021. PHL will see the 787 next year. Not sure what they will do with CLT when the 333s go.


I was under the impression that the incoming 788s would also be based at CLT to replace the A333s.
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:28 am

jfk777 wrote:
The expiration date on the AA ex USAIR A330-300 fleet has arrived and gone. When are Charlotte and Philadelphia going to join my favorite addidge " If it's not a Boeing I am not Going". AA has a huge fleet of 787 but them seem to hate the east coast and love DFW, LAX & Chicago. I am can appreciate AA flying some routes like LAX to GRU and EZE but wouldn't that 787 be better used between Charlotte and LHR. Its time AA 787 & 777-200 found CLT & PHL.

I don't think they hate the east coast. Basically, the A330 was an LUS plane, and rather than move the A330 around and open a new domicile for the type (Truthfully, MIA would be the only hub that could possibly make sense), they kept the A330 in the classic LUS hubs as the primary widebody type. Since PHL was a 757 base as well, it was easy enough to move the 767s in as well without much difficulty. What you will see going forward is the 767 to be retired and then the 787 will be moved into PHL to take its place (Presumably new deliveries, since AA takes more 787-8s this year). I think another reason it was slow to reach the east coast is because of the range, where it makes much more sense in the midwestern hubs not only because of Europe but Asia as well. Truthfully, I have found the A330 to be actually a rather reliable airplane.

When the 787s go into PHL, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. The 787-8 is comparable in size to the 330-200 and the 787-9 is comparable to the 330-300. In any case, any 787 represents an increase in seating over the 767. However they will lose premium seating capacity when the 767s go away. AMS seems like a no brainer for a 787-8 as does BUD. Does LIS go to a 787 or is it downgraded back to a 757? MAN is also on the 767 now, as is ZRH, DBV, TXL, and BLQ. One other thing to consider is there are some outstations where AA runs multiple flights to and it may make sense to keep one type. For example, CDG is 787s out of both ORD and DFW, and so is MAD. Would AA move the 330 to outstations only served from PHL (Such as MAN, BUD, ZRH) or do they stay status quo? LHR probably stays a 330-300 for now due to the OneWorld hub and the need for more capacity. Other stations its very hard to tell.

As for the fume issue, on some planes the cockpit air comes from a different source than the cabin air. That being said, the A330 is not designed this way, and even if it were, it would not explain the flight attendant illnesses. This is an issue that will probably be blamed on Maintenance. Given what's going on with AA currently, this is the last thing they need.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:30 am

SteelChair wrote:
Seems rather interesting that only crew were rushed to hospital. Passengers were breathing different air apparently.


You don't want to "lose" time when you are travelling, but no-one wants to risk its life while working.
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:32 am

Elementalism wrote:
If this is so common it causes planes to be diverted and crews rushed to the hospital. What is the underlying cause?


There is a known issue but not an exact known cause. There is a multi-airline team that is working with Airbus on trying to track down the exact cause and hopefully fix it. From what I recall, TP, LH, UA, AA, VS, QF and IB were the main parties that were working with Airbus.
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:43 am

jfk777 wrote:
The expiration date on the AA ex USAIR A330-300 fleet has arrived and gone.

The fumes in cabin issue on the A330 has occurred on A330s of various ages at multiple airlines.
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:44 am

jfk777 wrote:
The expiration date on the AA ex USAIR A330-300 fleet has arrived and gone. When are Charlotte and Philadelphia going to join my favorite addidge " If it's not a Boeing I am not Going". AA has a huge fleet of 787 but them seem to hate the east coast and love DFW, LAX & Chicago. I am can appreciate AA flying some routes like LAX to GRU and EZE but wouldn't that 787 be better used between Charlotte and LHR. Its time AA 787 & 777-200 found CLT & PHL.



Err, no, not really. They are still good birds, and have been looked after pretty well. And the odour issue has nothing to do with age.
On the usual -pointless- A vs B attitude, I personally love AA's 787s...they are sleek, modern, super comfortable, and offer a supple, quiet and smooth ride. The 777s and 767s? Gimme a break. Those are bad. Noisy and tired. The A330 is far better than those. Even the older US ones.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:42 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Lrockeagle wrote:
The passengers aren’t in a union.



I kid, I kid


Post of the week. From the original article cited by the OP's link:

In a statement, American Airlines said ten of the crew members asked to be taken to hospital for a medical assessment after landing.

No passengers reported feeling ill.


Fume events are dangerous, crew members have died. You bet your ass I’m going to the hospital if I experience a fume event, the union has nothing to do with it.

For you to insinuate that the crew members are faking because of unions is disgusting.

It would be nice of you to read my entire post. “I kid, I kid”? Lighten up, Francis.
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:10 pm

SteelChair wrote:
Seems rather interesting that only crew were rushed to hospital. Passengers were breathing different air apparently.

Passengers smelled the odor also!
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:10 pm

Crew are more susceptible to these fume events due to toxic air buildup. The body has only so much resistance. While the passengers are exposed to toxic air on one or two flights, crew are susceptible on many flights. This is becoming a big issue on Airbus aircraft. I think pilots and FA's are working in one of the more toxic environments out there day in and day out.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:21 pm

Lrockeagle wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

Post of the week. From the original article cited by the OP's link:

In a statement, American Airlines said ten of the crew members asked to be taken to hospital for a medical assessment after landing.

No passengers reported feeling ill.


Fume events are dangerous, crew members have died. You bet your ass I’m going to the hospital if I experience a fume event, the union has nothing to do with it.

For you to insinuate that the crew members are faking because of unions is disgusting.

It would be nice of you to read my entire post. “I kid, I kid”? Lighten up, Francis.


It wasn’t your post I quoted.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:45 pm

TVNWZ wrote:
Crew are more susceptible to these fume events due to toxic air buildup. The body has only so much resistance. While the passengers are exposed to toxic air on one or two flights, crew are susceptible on many flights. This is becoming a big issue on Airbus aircraft. I think pilots and FA's are working in one of the more toxic environments out there day in and day out.


Please post any evidence or links that support 1) Crew are more susceptible due to "buildup," and 2) this problem is worse on Airbus aircraft.

Frankly, both of your arguments are a stretch.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:55 pm

It's largely thought to be vaporized engine oil, which is designed for high temps (1000C) and extremely toxic to humans.

The outflow valves are in the galley area, where FA's congregate and sit.
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:02 pm

Definitely seems more prevalent on Airbus, but I have read reports on both major manufacturers. Certainly not limited to any particular carrier. One journalist has dedicated some real time and effort to look into fume events. And there is at least one member on this forum that claims these are a non issue all together.
 
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Re: Another AA A330 fume issue

Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:53 pm

SteelChair wrote:

Please post any evidence or links that support 1) Crew are more susceptible due to "buildup," and 2) this problem is worse on Airbus aircraft.

Frankly, both of your arguments are a stretch.


I'm sorry your google is broken. Here's just one.

https://www.docsopinion.com/2018/07/02/ ... al-flight/

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