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United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:42 pm

Yay....free Clear for me (and for lots of us on this board I would imagine.)

UA is acquiring a minority stake and forming a partnership with Clear that will offer free or discounted Clear memberships to MP members. They are also working with Clear to expand to the service to UAs hub airports where they don't already operate.

https://hub.united.com/2019-07-29-unite ... 36231.html
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:58 pm

So they copied Delta almost exactly...

... shocking...
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:03 pm

winginit wrote:
So they copied Delta almost exactly...

... shocking...



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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:05 pm

winginit wrote:
So they copied Delta almost exactly...

... shocking...


And your point, besides dragging DL into yet another thread, is?

Look if DL and UAs partnerships with Clear provide stability for Clear this time around I am all for it. I had a membership in Clear 1.0 and was sorry to see them go.
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:13 pm

United1 wrote:
winginit wrote:
So they copied Delta almost exactly...

... shocking...


And your point, besides dragging DL into yet another thread, is?

Look if DL and UAs partnerships with Clear provide stability for Clear this time around I am all for it. I had a membership in Clear 1.0 and was sorry to see them go.


My point is, of course, that for the sake of discussion it should be pointed out that multiple carriers now have relationships with CLEAR underwritten by equity stakes, which is certainly interesting.

I have my own opinions on Ben Schlappig, but he points out the comparisons between the two (there are few) in his article on the topic

United clearly thought that Delta had made a good move in investing in CLEAR, and copied that strategy almost point for point. That's not out of the norm. Questions?
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:14 pm

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference/advantage to Clear vs TSA Pre Check?
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:23 pm

winginit wrote:

United clearly thought that Delta had made a good move in investing in CLEAR, and copied that strategy almost point for point. That's not out of the norm. Questions?


The Clear partnership is rather similar to what DL did not arguing that at all.

UA absolutely adopts DLs strategy whens there is something UA believes will work for UA...just like DL takes pieces from other airlines playbooks when it suits them (ie people who live in glass houses....) Quite frankly the US3 all have a very similar playbook.
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:24 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference/advantage to Clear vs TSA Pre Check?

CLEAR is imply biometric-based identity verification. Anyone can apply and get clear. TSA PreCheck is a background check based trusted traveler programme. They exist independently of each other. CLEAR helps you skip the line to have your ID checked, TSA PreCheck reduces the amount of screening you go through.
Some people aren't eligible for PreCheck based on citizenship/residency, stuff in their background, etc., so CLEAR is a great option to still shave off some checkpoint time. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck you pretty much waltz through security.
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:26 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference/advantage to Clear vs TSA Pre Check?

Clear members skip the ID check step of the TSA screening process, as they are identified at the Clear kiosk by giving their fingerprints or having their Iris' scanned. Once ID'd a Clear agent walks them to the X-ray/metal detector area.
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:29 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference/advantage to Clear vs TSA Pre Check?


http://flyclear.com/clear-versus-tsa-pr ... bal-entry/

That link explains it a lot better than I can but basically Clear escorts you straight to the actual checkpoint...no line at all usually.

I have Global Entry (which gives me PreCheck) and Clear.
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:35 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference/advantage to Clear vs TSA Pre Check?


Am I the only one thinking that in order to improve the experience I have to share detail biometric information with a 3rd party for-profit company that has an agenda?!?

Ok, I am going to put that aside for now and just say with the fact that Pre-check lines are getting shorter and shorter (at least for me). I do not travel enough to justify the additional yearly expense of Clear.
I think Clear would become much better value if it can be used for plane boarding, but that gets it to my point at the beginning.
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:05 pm

I tried the new Clear for a while because as a customer of the old clear before they shut down I got one month of the new clear free.

The old Clear existed before TSA pre-check so it always saved time. Now it seems to save time only if there is a very big line for pre-check. I have found the biometric id process can delay me as much as a short pre-check id line so I didn't continue the membership. If it were free I'd sign up again and just use the one that seemed fastest. Two places I often would use it is SEA and the TBIT terminal at LAX which can have horrendous pre-check lines, or when I am on an airline (like NZ) that doesn't participate in pre-check. Actually, in that last case could I even use Clear?
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:06 pm

ordbosewr wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference/advantage to Clear vs TSA Pre Check?


I think Clear would become much better value if it can be used for plane boarding, but that gets it to my point at the beginning.


There are other applications being applied for Clear other than TSA security.

Hertz: Allows you to use biometrics after picking up your car.
MLB: Faster security at some stadiums, and I believe the Mets allow you to use it to get in without a scannable ticket.
Delta: Access to their lounges if you are a member

I don't see a need for it myself, as with around around 25 trips taken this year (~60 flights) it would have saved me maybe 30 minutes total.
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:08 pm

Maybe finally we will get Clear in EWR Terminal C afterall.
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:18 pm

aklrno wrote:
I tried the new Clear for a while because as a customer of the old clear before they shut down I got one month of the new clear free.

The old Clear existed before TSA pre-check so it always saved time. Now it seems to save time only if there is a very big line for pre-check. I have found the biometric id process can delay me as much as a short pre-check id line so I didn't continue the membership. If it were free I'd sign up again and just use the one that seemed fastest. Two places I often would use it is SEA and the TBIT terminal at LAX which can have horrendous pre-check lines, or when I am on an airline (like NZ) that doesn't participate in pre-check. Actually, in that last case could I even use Clear?


Clear isn't airline specific so you could use it to clear security for a NZ flight...however TBIT does not have a Clear lane as far as I know. Theoretically you could check in at TBIT and walk over to T4 to clear security but the line at TBIT would have to be rather insane to save any time.
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:46 pm

So basically, we keep moving more people in front of the line of folks who don't want to pay extra for going through security or like me who don't fly enough to make Clear worth it (I know, heaven forbid an a.net member not be an ultra secret gold status member of an airline who flies daily).
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:58 pm

ordbosewr wrote:
Am I the only one thinking that in order to improve the experience I have to share detail biometric information with a 3rd party for-profit company that has an agenda?!?

You’re not alone. I also live in a tin foil wrapped world. Not sure how much longer it’ll be possible, tho.
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:11 pm

United1 wrote:
winginit wrote:
So they copied Delta almost exactly...

... shocking...


And your point, besides dragging DL into yet another thread, is?

Look if DL and UAs partnerships with Clear provide stability for Clear this time around I am all for it. I had a membership in Clear 1.0 and was sorry to see them go.

Clear has been at SFO for quite A long Time. I do not think United copied anybody!
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:50 pm

zuckie13 wrote:
So basically, we keep moving more people in front of the line of folks who don't want to pay extra for going through security or like me who don't fly enough to make Clear worth it (I know, heaven forbid an a.net member not be an ultra secret gold status member of an airline who flies daily).


You are correct. CLEAR uses biometrics for ID and moves you to the front of the line. It's not TSA Pre-Check with a separate, abbreviated screening procedure.

As for copying Delta, there aren't a lot of ways for a carrier to play this:

- free CLEAR for some subset of FF elites

- discounted memberships

- renting CLEAR the Mileage Plus mailing list (like with a charge for each mailing made)
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:51 am

aklrno wrote:
I tried the new Clear for a while because as a customer of the old clear before they shut down I got one month of the new clear free.

The old Clear existed before TSA pre-check so it always saved time. Now it seems to save time only if there is a very big line for pre-check. I have found the biometric id process can delay me as much as a short pre-check id line so I didn't continue the membership. If it were free I'd sign up again and just use the one that seemed fastest. Two places I often would use it is SEA and the TBIT terminal at LAX which can have horrendous pre-check lines, or when I am on an airline (like NZ) that doesn't participate in pre-check. Actually, in that last case could I even use Clear?


I’ve never had Clear because the percentage of my travel that involves Clear airports isn’t that high and the percentage of times that it would save an appreciable amount of time is even lower. The Clear airport I use most frequently is HOU and it hardly ever saves time over “normal” Precheck there.

Clear might make sense for those who live in a place like ATL where it generally does save some time, but unless or until its penetration increases quite a lot that will only be a small fraction of passengers.
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:54 am

United1 wrote:
winginit wrote:

United clearly thought that Delta had made a good move in investing in CLEAR, and copied that strategy almost point for point. That's not out of the norm. Questions?


The Clear partnership is rather similar to what DL did not arguing that at all.

UA absolutely adopts DLs strategy whens there is something UA believes will work for UA...just like DL takes pieces from other airlines playbooks when it suits them (ie people who live in glass houses....) Quite frankly the US3 all have a very similar playbook.


DL is no doubt copied the most. I'm to lazy and tired make a list but trust me they are. As for the very similar play book, I whole heartedly disagree. I think the US3, while similar in ways, are actually quite different across just about every spectrum..

Back OT, this is good for United, just wondering what took them so long to get with the program. DL has had it for 2 or 3 years already. I like CLEAR the most because it gets me into stadiums and arena's much quicker than it can get me through TSA quicker than the pre-check line.
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:03 am

winginit wrote:
So they copied Delta almost exactly...

... shocking...


They did? I'm elite with DL and still find myself wrapped in the worst security lines imaginable at the airport for the most part.
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:59 pm

So both United and Delta partner with Clear. That means AA is the only legacy carrier to not do so. You wonder if they will end up doing so in the future. But again, its something that Parker and Co have to react to, rather than be proactive, which seems to be the MO at AA these days.
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:48 pm

Clear is also getting involved with the screening at sports venues. So, if you fly out of an airport with Clear, and you go to games at the local sports stadium that has Clear screening, it really makes sense to join Clear. I know Clear operates at DTW, as well as the home field of the Detroit Tigers (MLB).
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:18 pm

winginit wrote:
So they copied Delta almost exactly...

... shocking...


Who cares? DL is the best run airline on earth at the current time. As a UA flyer, the more they act like DAl and the less they act like AA, the better.
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:44 pm

EWR Terminal C would be a huge win for CLEAR. But they are so short on space already, i cant imagine where there is room. Visit terminal C the day after a snowstorm has cleared pretty much every inch of space is needed for the insane lines. CLEAR would be need some decent real estate that im not sure they can spare in the existing lines. Maybe they can make a pop-up clear lane like the pop-up clubs in Newark LOL.
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:55 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
EWR Terminal C would be a huge win for CLEAR. But they are so short on space already, i cant imagine where there is room. Visit terminal C the day after a snowstorm has cleared pretty much every inch of space is needed for the insane lines. CLEAR would be need some decent real estate that im not sure they can spare in the existing lines. Maybe they can make a pop-up clear lane like the pop-up clubs in Newark LOL.


I was thinking the same thing about DFW if (I said IF) AA ever followed. Pre-check at C and D don't have much room to add CLEAR and somehow bypass the TSA ID check stations. A24 is doable with a little work. If I remember correctly, they were already at E during or before the renovation.
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:09 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
aklrno wrote:
I tried the new Clear for a while because as a customer of the old clear before they shut down I got one month of the new clear free.

The old Clear existed before TSA pre-check so it always saved time. Now it seems to save time only if there is a very big line for pre-check. I have found the biometric id process can delay me as much as a short pre-check id line so I didn't continue the membership. If it were free I'd sign up again and just use the one that seemed fastest. Two places I often would use it is SEA and the TBIT terminal at LAX which can have horrendous pre-check lines, or when I am on an airline (like NZ) that doesn't participate in pre-check. Actually, in that last case could I even use Clear?


I’ve never had Clear because the percentage of my travel that involves Clear airports isn’t that high and the percentage of times that it would save an appreciable amount of time is even lower. The Clear airport I use most frequently is HOU and it hardly ever saves time over “normal” Precheck there.


I'm Houston based and never really understood the point of Clear as I've rarely had to wait more than a few minutes at IAH/HOU TSA Pre lines. In fact I've never had to wait long enough in any TSA Pre line for me to seriously think about applying for Clear.

At IAH/HOU the Clear employees always seem to just be standing around bored with nothing to do.
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:00 am

Hopefully it goes into T2 in ORD since UA Express flies out of there. It'll help me when I fly in and out of there.
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:11 am

strfyr51 wrote:
United1 wrote:
winginit wrote:
So they copied Delta almost exactly...

... shocking...


And your point, besides dragging DL into yet another thread, is?

Look if DL and UAs partnerships with Clear provide stability for Clear this time around I am all for it. I had a membership in Clear 1.0 and was sorry to see them go.

Clear has been at SFO for quite A long Time. I do not think United copied anybody!


Really?
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:54 am

XRadar98 wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
United1 wrote:

And your point, besides dragging DL into yet another thread, is?

Look if DL and UAs partnerships with Clear provide stability for Clear this time around I am all for it. I had a membership in Clear 1.0 and was sorry to see them go.

Clear has been at SFO for quite A long Time. I do not think United copied anybody!


Really?

Since 2012 in its current form.

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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:03 pm

N649DL wrote:
winginit wrote:
So they copied Delta almost exactly...

... shocking...


They did? I'm elite with DL and still find myself wrapped in the worst security lines imaginable at the airport for the most part.


Then you should pay attention - you get heavily discounted CLEAR membership if you're a Delta elite, and it's free if you're Diamond.
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:25 pm

I initially received CLEAR when I was a Diamond Medallion flying out of SLC. On Monday mornings in SLC T2, CLEAR would save at least 20 min from the Pre Check line. At Christmas the precheck line was over 30 min, and no line at CLEAR. It's paid for itself over and over in ATL, DEN and LAS and other stations. Flying Delta it's nice because you don't even need your boarding pass, they are fully integrated with CLEAR. Flying on AA out of DFW on a Monday morning it's faster to be dropped at Terminal E, use CLEAR through security and ride the SkyLink back to A or C. I waited 30 min on a Monday morning at Pre Check at DFW Terminal A before. Definitely love CLEAR and would continue to pay for it. (but nobody else should! I want CLEAR lanes to remain short!)
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:21 pm

winginit wrote:
N649DL wrote:
winginit wrote:
So they copied Delta almost exactly...

... shocking...


They did? I'm elite with DL and still find myself wrapped in the worst security lines imaginable at the airport for the most part.


Then you should pay attention - you get heavily discounted CLEAR membership if you're a Delta elite, and it's free if you're Diamond.


Last time I checked it was $80...?
 
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Re: United forms partnership with Clear

Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:39 pm

N649DL wrote:
winginit wrote:
N649DL wrote:

They did? I'm elite with DL and still find myself wrapped in the worst security lines imaginable at the airport for the most part.


Then you should pay attention - you get heavily discounted CLEAR membership if you're a Delta elite, and it's free if you're Diamond.


Last time I checked it was $80...?


Prices have increased recently, but still free for Diamond Medallion members.

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