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Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:07 am

Welcome to the Virginia Aviation thread. Please post any information regarding any Virginia airports outside of the DC metro. These are interesting times as RIC, ORF, ROA, and CHO are experiencing strong growth.

According to FAA data at http//.www.FAA.gov/airports

RIC 12.86% growth from 2017-2018

ORF 8.98% from 2017-2018

ROA 6.75% from 2017-2018

CHO 5.79% from 2017-2018.


This growth outstrips any of the DC metro airports and shows that negative growth at
an airport like DCA -1.21% may be migrating more down state. RIC has seen new flights to DEN, ST Pete, Sarasota and Nashville. All four airports appear poised for new routes and continued expansion.

Please post any information regarding these airports that you would like.
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:36 am

ElroyJetson wrote:
Welcome to the Virginia Aviation thread. Please post any information regarding any Virginia airports outside of the DC metro. These are interesting times as RIC, ORF, ROA, and CHO are experiencing strong growth.

According to FAA data at http//.www.FAA.gov/airports

RIC 12.86% growth from 2017-2018

ORF 8.98% from 2017-2018

ROA 6.75% from 2017-2018

CHO 5.79% from 2017-2018.


This growth outstrips any of the DC metro airports and shows that negative growth at
an airport like DCA -1.21% may be migrating more down state. RIC has seen new flights to DEN, ST Pete, Sarasota and Nashville. All four airports appear poised for new routes and continued expansion.

Please post any information regarding these airports that you would like.



To add to that:

CHO seems like it should be getting DEN, DFW, IAH, or MSP (and possibly BOS) soon. RIC seems that it should get Frontier and/or west coast (LAS or LAX) soon.
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:15 am

I think CHO and ROA should definitely get service to DFW. ORF and RIC should get PHX, SLC, or west coast. I think RIC to LAS happens with G4 within the year.

Lots of opportunity for growth.
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:23 am

Gulfstream500 wrote:
To add to that:

CHO seems like it should be getting DEN, DFW, IAH, or MSP (and possibly BOS) soon. RIC seems that it should get Frontier and/or west coast (LAS or LAX) soon.


AA adding CHO-DFW nonstop service might happen since CHO is one of the top destinations traveled to from DFW that isn't currently served nonstop from DFW.

F9 adding RIC-DEN nonstop service will probably happen as RIC is located in the largest U.S. market that doesn't currently have any nonstop service to DEN on any LCC's.

F9 also already serves DEN nonstop from a few East Coast markets that are smaller than RIC such as ALB, BTV, PWM, SAV, and SYR.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:54 am

Gulfstream500 wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
Welcome to the Virginia Aviation thread. Please post any information regarding any Virginia airports outside of the DC metro. These are interesting times as RIC, ORF, ROA, and CHO are experiencing strong growth.

According to FAA data at http//.www.FAA.gov/airports

RIC 12.86% growth from 2017-2018

ORF 8.98% from 2017-2018

ROA 6.75% from 2017-2018

CHO 5.79% from 2017-2018.


This growth outstrips any of the DC metro airports and shows that negative growth at
an airport like DCA -1.21% may be migrating more down state. RIC has seen new flights to DEN, ST Pete, Sarasota and Nashville. All four airports appear poised for new routes and continued expansion.

Please post any information regarding these airports that you would like.



To add to that:

CHO seems like it should be getting DEN, DFW, IAH, or MSP (and possibly BOS) soon. RIC seems that it should get Frontier and/or west coast (LAS or LAX) soon.


The ideas on CHO are a joke. MSP will not come before DTW comes back, since MSP would overfly DTW. DFW, DEN and IAH don't really add anything that ORD doesn't cover. Best hope that makes sense at CHO is DL to DTW...it's one of the few destinations in the region that doesn't have DTW service and it's still a decent hike to ATL that makes a bit of a roundabout.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:09 am

DFW service, not DTW, is at the top of CHO's list. Can't see any of the other destinations happening and to be honest AA seems content to route all southern connections through CLT.

DTW was a relatively short lived NW/Mesaba Saab flight that hasn't been terribly missed outside of DL FFs with the subsequent addition of ORD service. Some routes can avoid backtracking through ATL on DL through LGA.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:50 am

What about PHF? It seems to not have anything happen since the PeoplExpress days, with AA on top with CLT and PHL, at about 9 a day, and DL offering around 3 flights a day to ATL, with one mainline. I could see AA upguage a CLT flight or two. It seems that rather than 6 a day with some on 50-seaters, dropping a frequency and upgrading to CR7/9 would improve profitability.
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:28 am

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What about PHF?
I know....it's in Virginia, isn't it??


also LYH & SHD....although I don't know if they have airline service
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:22 am

With F9 apparently re-focusing on DEN, could we see DEN-PHF return?
Disregard, I forgot they fly DEN-ORF.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:27 am

KFTG wrote:
With F9 apparently re-focusing on DEN, could we see DEN-PHF return?


Frontier serves DEN from ORF which is, traffic depending, is roughly 30 minutes down I64.

If F9 adds another DEN flight to the area it’ll go to RIC, where all the major growth seems to be happening.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:43 am

727LOVER wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
What about PHF?
I know....it's in Virginia, isn't it??


also LYH & SHD....although I don't know if they have airline service



Both have service though SHD is an EAS market.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:35 pm

LYH is currently only served by AA to CLT. Looking at today's schedule it is 2x CR7 and 4x E145.

They are up to 160k plus passengers per year ( last year i could find was 2017 ). The airport is targeting IAD service on UA as their next step. That would be the first competition AA has had since DL left years ago.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:57 pm

Since Air Tran closed shop PHF has been pretty dead. I think a few CRJ flights a day to either DTW or ORD might make it if anyone wanted to give it a try.
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Jul 30, 2019 5:04 pm

Gulfstream500 wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
To add to that:

CHO seems like it should be getting DEN, DFW, IAH, or MSP (and possibly BOS) soon. RIC seems that it should get Frontier and/or west coast (LAS or LAX) soon.


I like the Charlottesville region and it has potential. Relatively high incomes and University-related travel.

But it's still only the 195th largest MSA in America. And IAD and RIC are rather close to town. And both IAD and RIC are on the "right side" of their metros as regards commutes from Charlottesville (you don't have to deal with the "bulk" of DC/Richmond traffic).

As such, I wouldn't expect too much. Delta hasn't flown CHO-DTW for a LONG time now (nearly a decade), which says something.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:17 pm

New Traffic Record as RIC Reports 4.27 Million Passengers in FY2019 (July1-June 30)

At today’s Capital Region Airport Commission meeting, Richmond International Airport (RIC) reported FY19 passenger traffic of 4,267,825, a new fiscal year record and an increase of 11.5 percent over the previous year. Furthermore, with airlines reporting 383,535 passengers for June 2019, RIC established a new June passenger traffic record, surpassing the old mark set a year ago (at the time, an all-time record) by 2.7 percent.

Passenger Traffic
June’s increase represents the 21st consecutive record passenger traffic month at RIC. During the month, five air carriers, Allegiant, Spirit, Delta, American, and United, reported year-over-year growth. Delta was June’s market share leader at 34.9 percent, followed by American and United.

Looks like the growth slowed down in June but still a recorded!!! RIC has new flights coming in August from WN. Still hoping for flight to the west coast, maybe Spirit or F9 will come to RIC.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:23 pm

More information on RIC.

The commission also filed, along with ChamberRVA, a joint application for a federal grant to support efforts to land nonstop flights to San Francisco or Los Angeles.

But an airport spokesman cautioned that even if the airport would be selected for the grant, it is not the same as an airline announcing service. For instance, United’s nonstop service to Denver began in 2016 — more than two years after the airport received the federal grant.


https://www.richmond.com/business/local ... c2fae.html
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:10 pm

The only airline capable of doing a west coast run would be Delta on the new A220 with 109 capacity. However I think they have other plans other than a small market like RIC/ORF for the A220. Until they are ramped up anyway. The A319 with 130 capacity could work... but I’m not sure RIC has the O/D to do it.
ORF had once Week service to SAN on WN to support military operations. The flight didn’t survive even with gov’t negotiated rates.
As far as Delta, they are focused just south at RDU and in 3 hours most people from RIC area could be at IAD or RDU. From ORF it’s the same to IAD.
I was born on Lake Gaston(VA side) and can count on one hand the number of times I flew from RIC. However for RDU... well that’s another story.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:55 pm

US Navy informs ORF: “No parallel runway for you!” - https://pilotonline.com/news/local/tran ... ab574.html
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:58 pm

DLSANMan wrote:
The only airline capable of doing a west coast run would be Delta on the new A220 with 109 capacity. However I think they have other plans other than a small market like RIC/ORF for the A220. Until they are ramped up anyway. The A319 with 130 capacity could work... but I’m not sure RIC has the O/D to do it.
ORF had once Week service to SAN on WN to support military operations. The flight didn’t survive even with gov’t negotiated rates.
As far as Delta, they are focused just south at RDU and in 3 hours most people from RIC area could be at IAD or RDU. From ORF it’s the same to IAD.
I was born on Lake Gaston(VA side) and can count on one hand the number of times I flew from RIC. However for RDU... well that’s another story.

I could either see
A) A Delta A220/319 from LAX. Probably not daily on A319, still most likely not daily on A220, at least to start.
B) A sub-daily AA A319 from LAX. Although PHX might come first.
C) (Longer shot) Alaska comes in and adds a SFO/LAX run, possibly in tie with a SEA flight.
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:19 pm

DLSANMan wrote:
...
ORF had once Week service to SAN on WN to support military operations. The flight didn’t survive even with gov’t negotiated rates.
...


Interestingly, the other “Navy Express” route, i.e., Allegiant’s 2-3x weekly ORF-JAX flight seems to be doing well. It’s been extended to operate year-round. The Navy also runs a similar passenger route 1-2x weekly (the “Navy Rotator”; Norfolk NOB-NAS JAX).
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:49 pm

RIC-MSY?? Easy enough via ATL, but there is enough going on in the Big Easy year 'round that on-stop would be a game changer and save a good couple of hours off the RIC-ATL-MSY route. No??
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:59 pm

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RIC-MSY?? Easy enough via ATL, but there is enough going on in the Big Easy year 'round that on-stop would be a game changer and save a good couple of hours off the RIC-ATL-MSY route. No??


I'm surprised this hasn't been tried yet. At MSY, we've seen some pretty thin routes added recently: G4 to GRR and SDF, and SY to PVD this fall. RIC and ORF are much larger markets with pretty high fares. I could certainly see 2-3 weekly RIC-MSY on NK and ORF-MSY on WN, G4, or F9.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:31 pm

msycajun wrote:
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RIC-MSY?? Easy enough via ATL, but there is enough going on in the Big Easy year 'round that on-stop would be a game changer and save a good couple of hours off the RIC-ATL-MSY route. No??


I'm surprised this hasn't been tried yet. At MSY, we've seen some pretty thin routes added recently: G4 to GRR and SDF, and SY to PVD this fall. RIC and ORF are much larger markets with pretty high fares. I could certainly see 2-3 weekly RIC-MSY on NK and ORF-MSY on WN, G4, or F9.


Interesting thought. G4 made RIC-BNA work, so I don’t see why RIC-MSY wouldn’t. I think the LCCs might have made a flight bubble in ORF, but they’re not quite done in RIC (G4 and WN are not nearly as big in RIC).

If it were WN on RIC-MSY, it would have to come after STL and MDW (probably won’t happen).
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:53 pm

keithvh2001 wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
To add to that:

CHO seems like it should be getting DEN, DFW, IAH, or MSP (and possibly BOS) soon. RIC seems that it should get Frontier and/or west coast (LAS or LAX) soon.


I like the Charlottesville region and it has potential. Relatively high incomes and University-related travel.

But it's still only the 195th largest MSA in America. And IAD and RIC are rather close to town. And both IAD and RIC are on the "right side" of their metros as regards commutes from Charlottesville (you don't have to deal with the "bulk" of DC/Richmond traffic).

As such, I wouldn't expect too much. Delta hasn't flown CHO-DTW for a LONG time now (nearly a decade), which says something.


RIC isn't really on the correct side of town if you're coming from Charlottesville, you either have to go through or around Richmond to get to it from that area. It is on the correct side if your coming from Newport News or Williamsburg though. CHO-DFW seems possible, but the preference in small markets in this region seems to be to route people over CLT. CHO-DEN seems like it would be a big stretch.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:15 pm

Another link to the RIC pax increase and airport changes. Much positive news if you are a Virginia flyer.


https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/p ... -in-fy2019
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Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:37 pm

With good news about RIC also comes bad news - while the big three and spirit have been becoming stronger at RIC, WN and B6 are shrinking (significantly) at RIC.

B6 - down 5.4% (likely due to the elimination of one FLL flight)

WN - down 6% (no flights cut, just less people interested in WN’s one whole year-round destination. I’d be expecting 2-3 weekly flights cut this year... possibly more).
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:43 pm

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B6 - down 5.4% (likely due to the elimination of one FLL flight).


B6 actually dropped one daily flight to FLL and one daily to MCO. It goes back to 2X daily for both FLL and MCO on B6 starting in November.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:42 pm

AA also recently started some late night/early morning MIA-ORF flights on the A319.
 
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Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:47 pm

Has Delta ever flown SLC-RIC or SLC-ORF?
 
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Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:50 pm

WkndWanderer wrote:
keithvh2001 wrote:
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I like the Charlottesville region and it has potential. Relatively high incomes and University-related travel.

But it's still only the 195th largest MSA in America. And IAD and RIC are rather close to town. And both IAD and RIC are on the "right side" of their metros as regards commutes from Charlottesville (you don't have to deal with the "bulk" of DC/Richmond traffic).

As such, I wouldn't expect too much. Delta hasn't flown CHO-DTW for a LONG time now (nearly a decade), which says something.


RIC isn't really on the correct side of town if you're coming from Charlottesville, you either have to go through or around Richmond to get to it from that area. It is on the correct side if your coming from Newport News or Williamsburg though. CHO-DFW seems possible, but the preference in small markets in this region seems to be to route people over CLT. CHO-DEN seems like it would be a big stretch.


You are correct about RIC's location --- dumb mistake on my part. It's been awhile since I lived in Virginia and/or been through Richmond -- I got that mixed up.
 
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:53 am

KFTG wrote:
Has Delta ever flown SLC-RIC or SLC-ORF?


The only service I'm aware of was a ORF-SLC 757 flight Delta had scheduled on the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday after Thanksgiving about 4 or 5 years ago. It was just due to the extra demand for the holiday, but I was hoping for the possibility of future daily service.
 
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:43 am

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Has Delta ever flown SLC-RIC or SLC-ORF?



Correct, DL has never flown SLC -RIC or ORF on a regularly scheduled basis. We know UA has started flights to DEN from both cities and the routes have been successful. In fact, a second flight was added between DEN and RIC. Load factors have been in the mid-80's on the RIC -DEN flight.

Granted the PDEW is likely higher to DEN, but I do think an A220 flight from either city to SLC could work. I hope when more A220's come on property DL will give it a try.
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:10 am

UA is adding a 3rd E-170 flight from RIC to IAH in November. A year ago this was one ERJ flight a day. These longer flights to the west from RIC seem to be growing.
 
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Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:43 am

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US Navy informs ORF: “No parallel runway for you!” - https://pilotonline.com/news/local/tran ... ab574.html


I worked in ORF for DL in 1991-92. That picture shows the expansion of A concourse on the end there. We moved into that space during my time in ORF. Before that we 'borrowed' UA gates. Anyway, I was the first person to work at ORF from ATL. When they expanded the concourse they added jetways that moved. The old jetways were the ones that just slid back and forth. I had to train the guys how to run the jetways before we took flights in our new gates. Thanks for the memory!

I enjoyed working in ORF after working in ATL. It's very interesting working in a big hub and going to an outstation to say the least. You learn more for sure.
 
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UA is adding a 3rd E-170 flight from RIC to IAH in November. A year ago this was one ERJ flight a day. These longer flights to the west from RIC seem to be growing.


Not just that!

RIC-DEN from September to December will become 1 daily United Express E175, and one daily United A319.

However... Some schedules from ORF-DEN will become UA express, but will remain once daily.
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:04 pm

Associated Press: Newport News airport seeks grant to subsidize Dulles route

https://wtop.com/virginia/2019/08/newpo ... les-route/

A quick scan of PHF operating history shows that the airport has been through multiple boom-bust periods in its history, with even a customs and immigration facility at one point. I don’t know the area, but RIC (60 miles) and ORF(30 miles) seem to be close enough to siphon off passengers. The article suggests that people drive as far away as IAD (175 miles ) to catch international flights. Is the airport really viable in its catchment area?
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:25 pm

New editorial about RIC and the Richmond area working together:

Troy Bell, spokesman for the Capital Region Airport Commission, recently told us, “Activity at an airport is frequently a reflection of the community it serves.”

That’s true of the Richmond International Airport and our economically robust region. The airport handled a record-setting amount of passengers for the fiscal year that ended June 30 — 4.267 million, up 11.5% from the previous 12-month period. And the airport set a new June traffic record of 383,535 passengers — a 2.7% increase from a year ago. Overall, the airport reports 21 consecutive record months of passenger traffic and boasts six straight calendar years of growth.

“For the Richmond region, the economy is good with high employment [low unemployment], business headlines commonly note expansions of existing businesses or the arrival of new ones, the housing market is robust, and so forth,” Bell said.


https://www.richmond.com/opinion/plus/e ... ea8d9.html
 
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TEMPO wrote:
Associated Press: Newport News airport seeks grant to subsidize Dulles route

https://wtop.com/virginia/2019/08/newpo ... les-route/

A quick scan of PHF operating history shows that the airport has been through multiple boom-bust periods in its history, with even a customs and immigration facility at one point. I don’t know the area, but RIC (60 miles) and ORF(30 miles) seem to be close enough to siphon off passengers. The article suggests that people drive as far away as IAD (175 miles ) to catch international flights. Is the airport really viable in its catchment area?


At the end of the day, the main reason for the existence of this airport is the sorry state of the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel (HRBT) and the insufficient capacity of I-64 approaching it. You just don’t know what tunnel traffic is going to be like on the day of your departure... Could be fine or you could easily miss your flight. For those who don’t want to take the chance there’s PHF.

Fixing the HRBT, as per the very latest estimates will cost nearly $4 billion: http://www.hrbtexpansion.org/easset_upl ... 3901_e.pdf
The state has been talking about it for decades but very little has happened until relatively recently. A contractor was selected a few months ago and supposedly the project will start soon and be completed by 2026.

In the meantime, I-64 to RIC is slowly being widened and that is sucking more passengers up to Richmond.
 
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flybaby wrote:
TEMPO wrote:
Associated Press: Newport News airport seeks grant to subsidize Dulles route

https://wtop.com/virginia/2019/08/newpo ... les-route/

A quick scan of PHF operating history shows that the airport has been through multiple boom-bust periods in its history, with even a customs and immigration facility at one point. I don’t know the area, but RIC (60 miles) and ORF(30 miles) seem to be close enough to siphon off passengers. The article suggests that people drive as far away as IAD (175 miles ) to catch international flights. Is the airport really viable in its catchment area?


At the end of the day, the main reason for the existence of this airport is the sorry state of the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel (HRBT) and the insufficient capacity of I-64 approaching it. You just don’t know what tunnel traffic is going to be like on the day of your departure... Could be fine or you could easily miss your flight. For those who don’t want to take the chance there’s PHF.

Fixing the HRBT, as per the very latest estimates will cost nearly $4 billion: http://www.hrbtexpansion.org/easset_upl ... 3901_e.pdf
The state has been talking about it for decades but very little has happened until relatively recently. A contractor was selected a few months ago and supposedly the project will start soon and be completed by 2026.

In the meantime, I-64 to RIC is slowly being widened and that is sucking more passengers up to Richmond.


It sounds like PHF will have a continuing struggle for its identity and maybe for its existence over the next five to ten years. That’s a pity. I hate to see aviation infrastructure unutilized.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:35 pm

TEMPO wrote:
flybaby wrote:
TEMPO wrote:
Associated Press: Newport News airport seeks grant to subsidize Dulles route

https://wtop.com/virginia/2019/08/newpo ... les-route/

A quick scan of PHF operating history shows that the airport has been through multiple boom-bust periods in its history, with even a customs and immigration facility at one point. I don’t know the area, but RIC (60 miles) and ORF(30 miles) seem to be close enough to siphon off passengers. The article suggests that people drive as far away as IAD (175 miles ) to catch international flights. Is the airport really viable in its catchment area?


At the end of the day, the main reason for the existence of this airport is the sorry state of the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel (HRBT) and the insufficient capacity of I-64 approaching it. You just don’t know what tunnel traffic is going to be like on the day of your departure... Could be fine or you could easily miss your flight. For those who don’t want to take the chance there’s PHF.

Fixing the HRBT, as per the very latest estimates will cost nearly $4 billion: http://www.hrbtexpansion.org/easset_upl ... 3901_e.pdf
The state has been talking about it for decades but very little has happened until relatively recently. A contractor was selected a few months ago and supposedly the project will start soon and be completed by 2026.

In the meantime, I-64 to RIC is slowly being widened and that is sucking more passengers up to Richmond.


It sounds like PHF will have a continuing struggle for its identity and maybe for its existence over the next five to ten years. That’s a pity. I hate to see aviation infrastructure unutilized.


Yeah, I-64 widening work should be done in 2021 (with a lot of the work already completed) and a greatly expanded HRBT in 2026. After that PHF’s future appears unclear... especially with the ULCCs choosing RIC or ORF over PHF. The last time PHF was doing well was when AirTran was operating out of there. That party ended when they got bought by Southwest, which was already serving ORF. Once AirTran left annual pax dropped from about a million to 400K.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:58 pm

CHO:
CHOWahoo wrote:
DFW service, not DTW, is at the top of CHO's list. Can't see any of the other destinations happening and to be honest AA seems content to route all southern connections through CLT.

DTW was a relatively short lived NW/Mesaba Saab flight that hasn't been terribly missed outside of DL FFs with the subsequent addition of ORD service. Some routes can avoid backtracking through ATL on DL through LGA.


DFW was talked about by the airport authority publicly at one point. With the new expansion pier at DFW it should be doable with a E175 or CR9, likely the latter. The most recent thing I remember reading was that CHO wanted nonstop to BOS.

keithvh2001 wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
To add to that:

CHO seems like it should be getting DEN, DFW, IAH, or MSP (and possibly BOS) soon. RIC seems that it should get Frontier and/or west coast (LAS or LAX) soon.


I like the Charlottesville region and it has potential. Relatively high incomes and University-related travel.

But it's still only the 195th largest MSA in America. And IAD and RIC are rather close to town. And both IAD and RIC are on the "right side" of their metros as regards commutes from Charlottesville (you don't have to deal with the "bulk" of DC/Richmond traffic).

As such, I wouldn't expect too much. Delta hasn't flown CHO-DTW for a LONG time now (nearly a decade), which says something.


The original reason given by Pinnacle back in the day for discontinuance of the DTW flights was the removal of the SF34 and that their CRJs were weight restricted into the then 6001' runway which I always found odd. CHO expanded the runway some time back to +6800' in hopes of re/gaining additional service. It did, however, end up getting mainline into CHO from DL with the 717. It has alternated to the 737-700 when there was additional runway construction, and at one point was operated by a A319 for a month or so. While it's just my opinion I think CHO finally has the traffic to support a Delta CRJ/CR7 to MCO on Saturdays, it was previously announced before they took down the full hub operation in MCO.

The majority of the time I've flown in there from ATL or LGA it's been full, but that's usually on busy travel days. I'm surprised that Delta has not upgraded their other ATL segments to dual-class or mainline as the demand is there. When I do try to book in the forward cabin it's usually more than 50-75% full a week out. Hopefully, the upgauging of equipment on that route will start as new aircraft come into service allowing them to finally retire some of those CRJs, the last one I flew on was certainly showing it's age.

A few years ago after US/AA removed their Dash 8 operations, replacing them with regional jets, they redid their parking positions all being straight in instead of angle parking. I'm not positive but it looks like each is planned on the size of an A320 aircraft.

There was an announcement in the local paper that the airport had received funding to finally build a multi-story parking deck as well as for further expansion for 3-4 more positions, I'm assuming working their way North towards the Amvest/Warrell private terminal. This would likely mean moving forward with other expansion plans as well.

I did a quick search for the CHO masterplan PDF and cant seem to find it online (if anyone has a link please post). The last one I saw 10 years ago had plans of moving the cargo facility, tower, and fire rescue to the West side of the field. Then finally demolishing the original 1950s terminal. After a car park is built the rental lot will move to the lower level, and the current one on the South side of the field along with the CFC hangar would be removed and used for terminal and commercial aircraft parking. CHO will likely look quite different in 10 years.

PHF:

ahj2000 wrote:
What about PHF? It seems to not have anything happen since the PeoplExpress days, with AA on top with CLT and PHL, at about 9 a day, and DL offering around 3 flights a day to ATL, with one mainline. I could see AA upguage a CLT flight or two. It seems that rather than 6 a day with some on 50-seaters, dropping a frequency and upgrading to CR7/9 would improve profitability.


PHF was a gold mine for FL back in its hay day. I was hopeful that someone like Elite would find a way to make it work, they have announced service their at least once, but I don't think it ever started.

TEMPO wrote:
It sounds like PHF will have a continuing struggle for its identity and maybe for its existence over the next five to ten years. That’s a pity. I hate to see aviation infrastructure unutilized.


Agreed. While RIC has not been the boom that Jetblue has hoped for, I think they are just down to BOS/FLL/MCO, I had always thought that Spirit and JetBlue would find it to be a sweet spot, brand new facilities, low operating fees, and pulling from both RIC/ORF while being outside the big 3 and WN down the road. People WILL drive to PHF for a $9 fare. There's so much room to grow and expand there.

CHOWahoo wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
What about PHF?
I know....it's in Virginia, isn't it??

also LYH & SHD....although I don't know if they have airline service


Both have service though SHD is an EAS market.

I was happy to see that when they got service it was to ORD. Sending an EAS flight to a city that's a few hours drive North (IAD) previously, never made sense to me. Hopefully, the ORD service stays and is actually used.

RIC:
Both MCO/FLL return to double daily on JetBlue this winter.
I am surprised with the success of DEN on UA that DL has not jumped in to add a daily A319 to SLC. Perhaps when the new terminal in SLC is completed?
With Delta adding point to point RJ service, I had kind of expected them to add something like IND/PIT/PVD/BDL/AUS to tie in some of the markets that might work.
Delta has planned all ATL flights to be 737-800/900 this winter with a random 757 on weekends.
AA looks to be still a mix of mainline and RJ to CLT but now that the MD80s are on their way out the 737s are on the DFW route which is a nice change.
RIC has certainly changed over the years, I'm old enough to remember US Airways having J41 service to RDU, and the CAL lite Ops to GSO.
Expansion of the A concourse should be finished sometime around late 2019/2020 adding 6 more gates which are needed during the morning rush.
A quick look at RIC's master plan (https://flyrichmond.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/ric_alpmap.pdf) shows an additional expansion to both A and B concourses, as well as a planned concourse to the Southwest. There also looks to be a relocation of the widebody cargo to the East side of the field.
What's also interesting as they have easy access to a direct rail line that's already in place allowing for commuter rail connection yet still have no light rail access to the airport.
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:13 pm

While PHF is struggling on the commercial passenger side, it is a relatively busy GA/bizjet airfield and the USAF uses the airfield for practice for the Air Force One/Two pilots and fleet. The airport has fallen far from their 2000s heyday, but I'm not writing them off just yet.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:02 pm

keithvh2001 wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
To add to that:

CHO seems like it should be getting DEN, DFW, IAH, or MSP (and possibly BOS) soon. RIC seems that it should get Frontier and/or west coast (LAS or LAX) soon.


I like the Charlottesville region and it has potential. Relatively high incomes and University-related travel.

But it's still only the 195th largest MSA in America. And IAD and RIC are rather close to town. And both IAD and RIC are on the "right side" of their metros as regards commutes from Charlottesville (you don't have to deal with the "bulk" of DC/Richmond traffic).

As such, I wouldn't expect too much. Delta hasn't flown CHO-DTW for a LONG time now (nearly a decade), which says something.


In addition to the earlier point about RIC location, CHO has a bit of a pain with traffic, too. It's about 5,766 traffic lights on 29 (give or take) from Charlottesville proper. For a city of that size, the airport is a PITA to get to, which surely contributes to some leakage to RIC (none of that traffic) and IAD (if you're going through those lights, why not just keep going - the drive is a lot better once you're outside of Charlottesville).
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:36 am

The concourse A expansion at KRIC is officially underway, and with good progress. Hopefully some new airlines/routes soon...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Flack4RIC/st ... 0827981825
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:21 am

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The concourse A expansion at KRIC is officially underway, and with good progress. Hopefully some new airlines/routes soon...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Flack4RIC/st ... 0827981825

AC to YYZ seems certainly possible at some point. NK expansion + F9 entering the market seems rather likely too.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:21 am

New destination out of ORF: Allegiant has added Punta Gorda starting mid-November.
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:37 pm

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New destination out of ORF: Allegiant has added Punta Gorda starting mid-November.

Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/a ... 985320001/
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:03 am

ORF sees a 9.44% increase in passenger traffic in July to 401,438 for the month. Based on this ORF should be on track to top 4 mil pax for the year which would be a significant milestone.


Here's a link to the story. https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/ ... d121a79a74
707 717 727 72S 737 733 737-700 747 757 753 767-300 764 A319 A320 DC-9-10 DC-9-30 DC-9-50, MD-82 MD-88 MD-90 DC-10-10 DC-10-40 F-100
 
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:35 pm

N292UX wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:
The concourse A expansion at KRIC is officially underway, and with good progress. Hopefully some new airlines/routes soon...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Flack4RIC/st ... 0827981825

AC to YYZ seems certainly possible at some point. NK expansion + F9 entering the market seems rather likely too.

I wouldn't be surprised ot see some more flights out West. We have DEN now, but I think we can pull off a SLC, and with the way Alaska's growing, after the MAX fiasco is over, I could see a less than daily SEA. I could also see Allegiant offering more of their less than daily flights to places like VPS, PGD, and heck maybe even LAS.
F9 is an interesting thought, as Spirit seems to be doing quite well, although with RIC's size, one can't help but to wonder if it will make it.
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Re: Virginia Aviation Thread. RIC, ORF, ROA, CHO

Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:12 pm

Passenger Traffic Sets New July Record at RIC

Richmond International Airport, VA (August 27, 2019) – The Capital Region Airport Commission reports a new month of July record as 386,931 travelers transited through Richmond International Airport (RIC) in July 2019, topping the previous mark of 373,066 set a year ago. July was also the second-best passenger traffic month in the airport’s history and represents the 22nd consecutive record month reported by RIC.

Passenger Traffic
In July, the Airport saw a 3.7 percent year-over-year passenger traffic increase. Delta was the market share leader at 35.9 percent, followed by American and United. Five airlines reported year-over-year growth in July, including Allegiant (+29.2%), Delta (+10.1%), Spirit, Southwest, and American.

For the first seven months of calendar year 2019, passenger traffic at RIC is up 8.9 percent.

Additional business matters arising in August:
Southwest Airlines launched a new nonstop weekend route, Richmond-Tampa, and resume seasonal Saturday Richmond-Orlando service on August 10th.
American Airlines will commence thrice-daily flights between Richmond and New York (JFK) on November 21st, providing new connecting options to top-tier West Coast and European destinations.
The Commission approved a resolution to enter into a contract with J.S.G. Corporation for the construction of the East Ramp 3 Access Road. Contract value: $1,599,108.20.

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