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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:07 am

alasizon wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
But they will be modified with the superior oasis product eventually.


The whole point of Oasis is to increase seat density, seeing as it isn't changing, the 320s aren't planning to be Oasifyed. As far as I know, there are currently no plans to add power to the LUS 320s (despite bridge saying otherwise) and if they were going to be done by Fall, they would need to be in Mods starting this week.


Even less space? Boooo
So... when will the Northwest DC-9s be retired?
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:18 am

tcfc424 wrote:
So, we all should understand that the M80 retirement is due to the requirements of ADS-B, which some posters (in the know) in other threads have stated is >$1mm. That said, I don't understand those that mention that an M80 is not a replacement (or even a placeholder) for a 7M8. That's correct, it's not. However, shifting fleets around (i.e., use the 752 to cover the 7M8, the 738/321 to cover the 752, and the M80 to cover the 738/321) has merit. Ultimately though, the M80 will not be extended. I only wish that as part of this life extension, these aircraft would be outfitted with power at every seat. For the A333, they should consider PE, along with power.

Airlines can request ADS-B compliance extensions. Given the global MAX grounding, some flexibility seems appropriate, especially as EASA compliance is already 6 months later than the USA.
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:18 am

alasizon wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
But they will be modified with the superior oasis product eventually.


The whole point of Oasis is to increase seat density, seeing as it isn't changing, the 320s aren't planning to be Oasifyed. As far as I know, there are currently no plans to add power to the LUS 320s (despite bridge saying otherwise) and if they were going to be done by Fall, they would need to be in Mods starting this week.


The AA Fleet Site reports seat power has been added to N657AW, N668AW and N669AW so far, with many more to come.
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:34 am

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Miamiairport wrote:
I wonder if the LUS 757 will all be totally taken off HI runs and put on other high volume domestic runs. I think the 757s might be doing PHX/DFW.


If you check flightaware.com, the L-US 757 are mostly on PHX-Hawaii flights (and IIRC, PHX-DCA-PHX) and the L-AA 757 are mostly PHL-Europe, DFW/MIA-South America, Some CLT/MIA-Caribbean and domestically (this summer) DFW-BOS/MCO/LAS/JFK/PHL/MIA mostly. With only 34 aircraft in the fleet, they really get around compared to UA which has 54 of them.


I'm lucky enough to have a L-US 757 CLT-PHX later this month.
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:56 pm

alasizon wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
But they will be modified with the superior oasis product eventually.


The whole point of Oasis is to increase seat density, seeing as it isn't changing, the 320s aren't planning to be Oasifyed. As far as I know, there are currently no plans to add power to the LUS 320s (despite bridge saying otherwise) and if they were going to be done by Fall, they would need to be in Mods starting this week.



https://thepointsguy.com/news/aa-projec ... s-service/

"However, many of AA’s A321s originate from US Airways and don’t have inflight entertainment screens, power outlets or much pitch before the retrofit.
This retrofit will add power outlets"
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:12 pm

Wow! That project “oasis” retrofit is terrible! Arguably, Spirit’s seats are better because the seat back is virtually nonexistent, giving you extra space. American’s seats are bulky but with one inch of extra pitch. Not to mention, Spirit’s seats are cheaper!

I can’t tell if American is trying to go for premium customers or low cost customers. But if they don’t decide, they’ll probably wind up getting neither!
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:56 pm

musman9853 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
But they will be modified with the superior oasis product eventually.


The whole point of Oasis is to increase seat density, seeing as it isn't changing, the 320s aren't planning to be Oasifyed. As far as I know, there are currently no plans to add power to the LUS 320s (despite bridge saying otherwise) and if they were going to be done by Fall, they would need to be in Mods starting this week.



https://thepointsguy.com/news/aa-projec ... s-service/

"However, many of AA’s A321s originate from US Airways and don’t have inflight entertainment screens, power outlets or much pitch before the retrofit.
This retrofit will add power outlets"



There are 121 LUS A321's. One has been updated, 84 are currently scheduled through next year. I am not sure if the others fall into 2021 or if they were planned returns.
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:58 pm

This is the first time I have read somebody refer to AA Oasis as a superior product.
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:30 pm

musman9853 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
bridge29 wrote:

This is incorrect, LUS A320s are getting refit with power outlets as we speak. They should all be done by the Fall. The seating configuration is staying the same, unfortunately, with no true MCE.


There is not a single 320 in mods currently. All mods (including Oasisfying the LUS 321s) were put on hold due to the MAX OOS.


But they will be modified with the superior oasis product eventually.


“Superior”? You’d give up a seat that’s actually comfortable in exchange for a power outlet?
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:39 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
alasizon wrote:

The whole point of Oasis is to increase seat density, seeing as it isn't changing, the 320s aren't planning to be Oasifyed. As far as I know, there are currently no plans to add power to the LUS 320s (despite bridge saying otherwise) and if they were going to be done by Fall, they would need to be in Mods starting this week.



https://thepointsguy.com/news/aa-projec ... s-service/

"However, many of AA’s A321s originate from US Airways and don’t have inflight entertainment screens, power outlets or much pitch before the retrofit.
This retrofit will add power outlets"



There are 121 LUS A321's. One has been updated, 84 are currently scheduled through next year. I am not sure if the others fall into 2021 or if they were planned returns.


The one A321 update is the oldest, so I'd watch how further aircraft are modified to see if that trend continues.
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:26 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
alasizon wrote:

The whole point of Oasis is to increase seat density, seeing as it isn't changing, the 320s aren't planning to be Oasifyed. As far as I know, there are currently no plans to add power to the LUS 320s (despite bridge saying otherwise) and if they were going to be done by Fall, they would need to be in Mods starting this week.



https://thepointsguy.com/news/aa-projec ... s-service/

"However, many of AA’s A321s originate from US Airways and don’t have inflight entertainment screens, power outlets or much pitch before the retrofit.
This retrofit will add power outlets"



There are 121 LUS A321's. One has been updated, 84 are currently scheduled through next year. I am not sure if the others fall into 2021 or if they were planned returns.


How old are the oldest LUS A321s? Aren't some/most of them from before the A321 was PIPed into the airplane it is today?
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:42 pm

I wonder how many pre-HP US A320s/A319s are around.. they all *used* to have power until Dougie ripped them all out (or was that Scott K?). And had actual legroom. And you felt like you weren't sitting on a park bench.
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:02 am

fightforlove wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:
musman9853 wrote:


https://thepointsguy.com/news/aa-projec ... s-service/

"However, many of AA’s A321s originate from US Airways and don’t have inflight entertainment screens, power outlets or much pitch before the retrofit.
This retrofit will add power outlets"



There are 121 LUS A321's. One has been updated, 84 are currently scheduled through next year. I am not sure if the others fall into 2021 or if they were planned returns.


How old are the oldest LUS A321s? Aren't some/most of them from before the A321 was PIPed into the airplane it is today?


The oldest A321 in AAs fleet is N161UW, is a 2001 vintage.
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:41 am

OB1504 wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
alasizon wrote:

There is not a single 320 in mods currently. All mods (including Oasisfying the LUS 321s) were put on hold due to the MAX OOS.


But they will be modified with the superior oasis product eventually.


“Superior”? You’d give up a seat that’s actually comfortable in exchange for a power outlet?



Oh absolutely. I'm younger than the vast majority of people on this board (early 20s) and to me having a plug is well worth trading an inch of pitch.
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:14 pm

musman9853 wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
musman9853 wrote:

But they will be modified with the superior oasis product eventually.


“Superior”? You’d give up a seat that’s actually comfortable in exchange for a power outlet?



Oh absolutely. I'm younger than the vast majority of people on this board (early 20s) and to me having a plug is well worth trading an inch of pitch.


I’m also in my 20s and get around that by bringing a battery pack... or just flying Delta.
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:08 pm

Long live the 757. Awesome rear galley.
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:23 pm

LUS A320/321/757s are gems when you get them for the seats. But the soft product is lacking/IFE, but with an iPad or Laptop, ill take older seats/more legroom.
 
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:20 am

anymaninfc wrote:
fightforlove wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:


There are 121 LUS A321's. One has been updated, 84 are currently scheduled through next year. I am not sure if the others fall into 2021 or if they were planned returns.


How old are the oldest LUS A321s? Aren't some/most of them from before the A321 was PIPed into the airplane it is today?


The oldest A321 in AAs fleet is N161UW, is a 2001 vintage.

Ballpark 60000 hours and 23000 cycles.
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:56 am

Spacepope wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
fightforlove wrote:

How old are the oldest LUS A321s? Aren't some/most of them from before the A321 was PIPed into the airplane it is today?


The oldest A321 in AAs fleet is N161UW, is a 2001 vintage.

Ballpark 60000 hours and 23000 cycles.

Spacepope, were you the one who gave the link to sdrx database?

https://av-info.faa.gov/sdrx/Query.aspx

Search by N number without N, or 161UW

Back in November, 59,207 hours and 22,229 cycles, so probably around what you posted.

So the old certified life would be used up (48k cycles, 60k hours), the current 60k cycles, 120k hours, it is but half way there. :bouncy:

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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:17 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:

The oldest A321 in AAs fleet is N161UW, is a 2001 vintage.

Ballpark 60000 hours and 23000 cycles.

Spacepope, were you the one who gave the link to sdrx database?

https://av-info.faa.gov/sdrx/Query.aspx

Search by N number without N, or 161UW

Back in November, 59,207 hours and 22,229 cycles, so probably around what you posted.

So the old certified life would be used up (48k cycles, 60k hours), the current 60k cycles, 120k hours, it is but half way there. :bouncy:

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Indeed, though since anyone can see the stats I didn't cite it.

Use-wise they are less heafily utilized than the 738s, and while the A.net mantra seems to be to use everything up to the LOV, we're seeing a ton of airlines avoiding this (the maint costs as the airframes age must be pretty high).

Not surprisingly, as soon as AA announced the delay in retiring the first 738 tranche, Cargofacts came out with an article claiming the MAX delays are hurting the 738 conversion market. Coincidence? When WN bought its mass of 73Gs on the used market the rumbles were that it was putting a serious pinch on the engine market. We'll see how this snowballs till the end of the summer busy season.
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Re: American extending life of some 757s, A320s, and 737s

Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:00 am

OB1504 wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
OB1504 wrote:

“Superior”? You’d give up a seat that’s actually comfortable in exchange for a power outlet?



Oh absolutely. I'm younger than the vast majority of people on this board (early 20s) and to me having a plug is well worth trading an inch of pitch.


I’m also in my 20s and get around that by bringing a battery pack... or just flying Delta.


I carry around a battery pack too. But fast charging is so much better.

And I don't mind flying delta, but their planes are older, and I'm an aadvantage member, so I tend to fly American.
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