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Transavia France

Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:46 am

Within the framework of the referendum held by the Air France SNPL pilots’ union, Air France SNPL’s members have voted largely in favour of Transavia's development. Transavia France will be able to grow in economically balanced conditions and without any restrictions on the number of aircraft for the Air France group.

https://www.airfranceklm.com/en/news/development-transavia-france
 
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Re: Transavia France

Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:52 am

What are your expectations for the Transavia France fleet?
 
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Re: Transavia France

Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:00 am

MAX is a good bed. I'd expect a joint order with TRA and maybe KLM.
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Re: Transavia France

Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:07 am

A320 = 186 Seats
A321 = 230 Seats.

They could get these aircraft from Air France mainline. That would be a great combo.
 
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Re: Transavia France

Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:12 am

Their livery would look great on the 320neo series, it should be an easy order to win for the MAX though. But the longer the MAX problems go on, the more chance Airbus have.

I could see them acquiring newer second hand 738's in the short term though whilst they see how the MAX fiasco plays out.
 
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Re: Transavia France

Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:34 am

It's time to order the MAX with heavy discount.

A320 in Transavia would be unlikely, given the training costs.
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Re: Transavia France

Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:08 am

LaunchDetected wrote:
It's time to order the MAX with heavy discount.

A320 in Transavia would be unlikely, given the training costs.


Actually TO has been operating 320s from AF mainline for the past summers. Don’t know about this season tho. There are a few pictures of 320s in full TO coulours in the database.
 
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Re: Transavia France

Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:03 pm

LaunchDetected wrote:
It's time to order the MAX with heavy discount.

A320 in Transavia would be unlikely, given the training costs.


The MAX is likely yes. Unfortunatly ... There even is a rumor it is already on the way but kept quiet until the MAX flies again.

But keep in mind that most of Transavia France Pilots are now seconded AF pilots. Only 40 or so non AF contract remains. I don't know all the details of the referendum held in july but there was talks of completly uniformizing Transavia France pilots contracts with AF ones. So pilot training isn't really relevant since AF as a large A320 pilot pool and will now have a large A220 pilot pool to. PNC maybe another story for now.

So a large A320/321neo order for both mainline and Transavia would also make sense.
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Re: Transavia France

Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:31 pm

mig17 wrote:
LaunchDetected wrote:
It's time to order the MAX with heavy discount.

A320 in Transavia would be unlikely, given the training costs.


The MAX is likely yes. Unfortunatly ... There even is a rumor it is already on the way but kept quiet until the MAX flies again.

But keep in mind that most of Transavia France Pilots are now seconded AF pilots. Only 40 or so non AF contract remains. I don't know all the details of the referendum held in july but there was talks of completly uniformizing Transavia France pilots contracts with AF ones. So pilot training isn't really relevant since AF as a large A320 pilot pool and will now have a large A220 pilot pool to. PNC maybe another story for now.

So a large A320/321neo order for both mainline and Transavia would also make sense.


Don't they have something like 40 737s? How can Air France second pilots to a type they don't have? Are they forcing pilots to downgrade to 737s?
 
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Re: Transavia France

Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:58 pm

VSMUT wrote:
Don't they have something like 40 737s? How can Air France second pilots to a type they don't have? Are they forcing pilots to downgrade to 737s?


Actually it's the other way around. Pilots already working for Air France stay at Air France and don't get downgraded to Transavia. However new pilots never straight enter Air France, they go to Transavia first. After they've worked at Transavia for a number of years, it's possible for them to move on to Air France.

A lot of the pilots that Transavia acquires are ex Ryanair pilots, so they already have their 737 type rating.
 
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Re: Transavia France

Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:25 pm

That’s a clever strategy, to be fair, I bet their terms and conditions aren’t that much better, but the lure of an AF career must be quite appealing to many French pilots.

I think a lot of FR pilots go to the ME3 and I wonder if this strategy was in the minds of IAG when they ordered the MAX, too.
 
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Re: Transavia France

Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:12 pm

Smith said today in an interview that there is no need to order band new MAXs as there is a lot of NGs on the market for Transavia France. He mentioned Orly, Marseille, Nice, Toulouse, Nantes and Bordeaux to open new routes.

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