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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:30 am

Nope they've got 6 on order. 3 for delivery 2019, another 3 in 2020.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:03 am

Qantas to cut capacity to HKG over coming months by 7% due to weaker demand

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ty-460415/
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:22 am

Alan Joyce interview on Bloomberg TV

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Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:04 am

Qantas Q200 VH-TQS has been in maintenance at TMW since 30 June and appears to be working up to a test flight, however there may be problems with the avionics (or management) going by today's activity at 1140 AEST.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-tqs

Is VH-TQS next for a new paint job in TSV?

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Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:17 am

Just something worth mentioning, IF some of the JQ B788's are transferred across to mainline there's a few equations here which could play out.

I'm guessing it's safe to say they'll need to be reconfigured into a more QF friendly configuration, however they could be configured into a premium heavy B789 style layout, obviously with a lower seat count and fitted with crew rest facilities. Assuming they are currently derated could they have their MTOW's increase and be used to open up new ULH markets?

Another option is they configured similarly to the A333's and used for North Asian services.

Just some food for thought....
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:49 am

QF744ER wrote:
Just something worth mentioning, IF some of the JQ B788's are transferred across to mainline there's a few equations here which could play out.

I'm guessing it's safe to say they'll need to be reconfigured into a more QF friendly configuration, however they could be configured into a premium heavy B789 style layout, obviously with a lower seat count and fitted with crew rest facilities. Assuming they are currently derated could they have their MTOW's increase and be used to open up new ULH markets?

Another option is they configured similarly to the A333's and used for North Asian services.

Just some food for thought....


The cost of retro fitting crew rest (built in at the factory while the frame is just a shell)
way too much. Shame, because it limits flexibility for future use. nothing is impossible
of course.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:59 am

QF744ER wrote:
Just something worth mentioning, IF some of the JQ B788's are transferred across to mainline there's a few equations here which could play out.

I'm guessing it's safe to say they'll need to be reconfigured into a more QF friendly configuration, however they could be configured into a premium heavy B789 style layout, obviously with a lower seat count and fitted with crew rest facilities. Assuming they are currently derated could they have their MTOW's increase and be used to open up new ULH markets?

Another option is they configured similarly to the A333's and used for North Asian services.

Just some food for thought....


Except JQ aren't getting rid of any 788's!!
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:17 pm

But they are getting 321XLRs which could fly some of their current 787 routes.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:47 pm

Deepinsider wrote:
QF744ER wrote:
Just something worth mentioning, IF some of the JQ B788's are transferred across to mainline there's a few equations here which could play out.

I'm guessing it's safe to say they'll need to be reconfigured into a more QF friendly configuration, however they could be configured into a premium heavy B789 style layout, obviously with a lower seat count and fitted with crew rest facilities. Assuming they are currently derated could they have their MTOW's increase and be used to open up new ULH markets?

Another option is they configured similarly to the A333's and used for North Asian services.

Just some food for thought....


The cost of retro fitting crew rest (built in at the factory while the frame is just a shell)
way too much. Shame, because it limits flexibility for future use. nothing is impossible
of course.


Absolutely but don't forget BI added crew rests into their Dreamliners after delivery, this was when the BWN-DXB-LHR went direct and they dropped the stop-over. From memory KE Aerospace did the work.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:52 pm

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But they are getting 321XLRs which could fly some of their current 787 routes.


Even the standard LRs could replace at least 2 of the 788s currently on the SYD/MEL-Bali runs.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:16 pm

Boeing to offer Qantas the 777-9 as an interim solution to the 777-8

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/boe ... t-sunrise/
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:57 pm

A few interesting points I found about this years release of financial results:
- first time I have seen detail about the various JQ entities and how each one is performing.
- poor performance of JQ regional NZ - I wonder if given the new relationship between NZ and QF if QF will ultimately decide to withdraw from regional NZ flying
- project sunrise- there seems to be a lot of undertone from Alan Joyce about whether this will come to fruition at all. There seems to be a lot less certainty around the economics of the proposed sunrise routes than before.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:21 am

[quote="QF742"]A few interesting points I found about this years release of financial results:
- first time I have seen detail about the various JQ entities and how each one is performing.
- poor performance of JQ regional NZ - I wonder if given the new relationship between NZ and QF if QF will ultimately decide to withdraw from regional NZ flying
[quote]

Or if the cost of the poor performance by JQ Regional is off setting keeping the regulators off QF's back for the current domestic relationship with NZ.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:16 am

SCFlyer wrote:
moa999 wrote:
But they are getting 321XLRs which could fly some of their current 787 routes.


Even the standard LRs could replace at least 2 of the 788s currently on the SYD/MEL-Bali runs.


Word on the street the 4 x A320XLRs are freeing up 3 x B788’s therefore opening up opportunity to serve other destination or ramping up MELHNL, MELHKT, SYDSGN etc to name a few.


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Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:45 am

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SCFlyer wrote:
moa999 wrote:
But they are getting 321XLRs which could fly some of their current 787 routes.


Even the standard LRs could replace at least 2 of the 788s currently on the SYD/MEL-Bali runs.


Word on the street the 4 x A320XLRs are freeing up 3 x B788’s therefore opening up opportunity to serve other destination or ramping up MELHNL, MELHKT, SYDSGN etc to name a few.


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How do JQ rotate the 788s at DPS? How many 788s could potentially be taken off these routes and would JQ want to (given the QF press release yesterday saying Bali is performing well).
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:50 am

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EK413 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:

Even the standard LRs could replace at least 2 of the 788s currently on the SYD/MEL-Bali runs.


Word on the street the 4 x A320XLRs are freeing up 3 x B788’s therefore opening up opportunity to serve other destination or ramping up MELHNL, MELHKT, SYDSGN etc to name a few.


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How do JQ rotate the 788s at DPS? How many 788s could potentially be taken off these routes and would JQ want to (given the QF press release yesterday saying Bali is performing well).


They are rotated on the MEL-DPS-BNE-DPS-MEL services.

Like I said word on the street was that 3 x B788’s will be freed up once the A320XLR’s come online.


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Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:23 am

EK413 wrote:
QF742 wrote:
EK413 wrote:

Word on the street the 4 x A320XLRs are freeing up 3 x B788’s therefore opening up opportunity to serve other destination or ramping up MELHNL, MELHKT, SYDSGN etc to name a few.


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How do JQ rotate the 788s at DPS? How many 788s could potentially be taken off these routes and would JQ want to (given the QF press release yesterday saying Bali is performing well).


They are rotated on the MEL-DPS-BNE-DPS-MEL services.

Like I said word on the street was that 3 x B788’s will be freed up once the A320XLR’s come online.


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JQ only needs the A321LR to do those missions, the A321XLR have much further range and is capable to do SYD-NRT.

They are getting both versions. And I’m sure that QF will be getting their hands on a few too.
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:41 am

J wouldn't really be needed on the DPS runs operated by JQ when the 788 gets swapped out with the A321LR, considering the normal LR isn't getting J seats fitted.

If people want to pay extra, there's the QF domestic J on the "Short Haul int'l" 737s on QF mainline's ex-SYD/MEL to DPS flights.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:12 am

kriskim wrote:
EK413 wrote:
QF742 wrote:

How do JQ rotate the 788s at DPS? How many 788s could potentially be taken off these routes and would JQ want to (given the QF press release yesterday saying Bali is performing well).


They are rotated on the MEL-DPS-BNE-DPS-MEL services.

Like I said word on the street was that 3 x B788’s will be freed up once the A320XLR’s come online.


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JQ only needs the A321LR to do those missions, the A321XLR have much further range and is capable to do SYD-NRT.

They are getting both versions. And I’m sure that QF will be getting their hands on a few too.


I know it is confusing having the two variants but the XLR’s aren’t due until 2024 whereas the LR’s are due next year. I doubt there is word on the street about the XLR’s given they are 5 years away and haven’t been allocated to any operating division yet. I would absolutely believe EK413’s idea that the LR’s will move some 788’s from DPS though.

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J wouldn't really be needed on the DPS runs operated by JQ when the 788 gets swapped out with the A321LR, considering the normal LR isn't getting J seats fitted.

If people want to pay extra, there's the QF domestic J on the "Short Haul int'l" 737s on QF mainline's ex-SYD/MEL to DPS flights.


Mainline run A330’s on the SYD-DPS-SYD services these days so there is a true intl offering from QF group to DPS.
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:28 am

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But they are getting 321XLRs which could fly some of their current 787 routes.


Correct and Jetstar themselves have said they will use those 787's to increase capacity on existing routes and open new routes.

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Qantas to cut capacity to HKG over coming months by 7% due to weaker demand

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ty-460415/


If its effecting QF I guess Virgin will also be feeling a bit of pain?
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:36 am

QF744ER wrote:
Deepinsider wrote:
QF744ER wrote:
Just something worth mentioning, IF some of the JQ B788's are transferred across to mainline there's a few equations here which could play out.

I'm guessing it's safe to say they'll need to be reconfigured into a more QF friendly configuration, however they could be configured into a premium heavy B789 style layout, obviously with a lower seat count and fitted with crew rest facilities. Assuming they are currently derated could they have their MTOW's increase and be used to open up new ULH markets?

Another option is they configured similarly to the A333's and used for North Asian services.

Just some food for thought....


The cost of retro fitting crew rest (built in at the factory while the frame is just a shell)
way too much. Shame, because it limits flexibility for future use. nothing is impossible
of course.


Absolutely but don't forget BI added crew rests into their Dreamliners after delivery, this was when the BWN-DXB-LHR went direct and they dropped the stop-over. From memory KE Aerospace did the work.


TG also did it to their 788's when they started using them on European flights
 
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VH-OQB did a test flight yesterday after coming out of maintenance at AUH

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 71169?s=20
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:29 am

I'm starting to wonder what the schedules of the Project Sunrise flights will look like. I imagine JFK will stay roughly the same (SYD16:00 - JFK18:00 / JFK21:00-SYD06:45+2). With LHR, I see something like SYD20:00 - LHR06:10+1, but how will the return flight look? An evening LHR departure would hit the curfew back in SYD. Eg LHR22:00 - SYD03:15+2. What's everyone else thing about the LHR-SYD leg?
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:40 am

Qantas16 wrote:
QF744ER wrote:
Deepinsider wrote:

The cost of retro fitting crew rest (built in at the factory while the frame is just a shell)
way too much. Shame, because it limits flexibility for future use. nothing is impossible
of course.


Absolutely but don't forget BI added crew rests into their Dreamliners after delivery, this was when the BWN-DXB-LHR went direct and they dropped the stop-over. From memory KE Aerospace did the work.


TG also did it to their 788's when they started using them on European flights


Gosh! Expensive stuff. were these mods. pods in the ceiling above business class,
or some setup on the main deck displacing pax seats?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:02 am

As a related issue, the quality of crew rest will be in the headlines later
this year, when Qantas trial their proposed ultra,ultra, long haul routes.
Being a passenger is daunting enough, but how about being on the crew!
No doubt there are good lessons from the successful PER-LHR service.
Any volunteers pax or crew, to do this kind of flying ?
 
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CZ321/344 CAN-MEL, A388 operating 10 Jan to 13 Feb 20

https://twitter.com/FATIIIAviation/stat ... 09728?s=20
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CZ321/344 CAN-MEL, A388 operating 10 Jan to 13 Feb 20

https://twitter.com/FATIIIAviation/stat ... 09728?s=20


QF, EK, QR, SQ, MH and CZ will all operate the A380 to Melbourne during this period, if only we still had EY!
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:49 pm

qf789 wrote:
VH-OQB did a test flight yesterday after coming out of maintenance at AUH

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 71169?s=20



The sooner OQB returns the better ...

The Qf7/8 on 23 August has a 24 hour delay ..

As a result the QF 11/12 SYD/LAX/SYD for 25Aug is cancelled
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:10 pm

Fuling wrote:
I'm starting to wonder what the schedules of the Project Sunrise flights will look like. I imagine JFK will stay roughly the same (SYD16:00 - JFK18:00 / JFK21:00-SYD06:45+2). With LHR, I see something like SYD20:00 - LHR06:10+1, but how will the return flight look? An evening LHR departure would hit the curfew back in SYD. Eg LHR22:00 - SYD03:15+2. What's everyone else thing about the LHR-SYD leg?


I think you'd probably want to spin at LHR fairy quickly. A mid-morning departure would get back to Sydney early/mid-afternoon. Late morning/early afternoon from London is peak transatlantic slots (which get sold for hundreds of millions), QF10's 1210 slot might just work, but would hit Sydney during peak evening delay time - not ideal. Afternoon begins to be tight for curfew, especially in the case of delay.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:21 pm

Fuling wrote:
I'm starting to wonder what the schedules of the Project Sunrise flights will look like. I imagine JFK will stay roughly the same (SYD16:00 - JFK18:00 / JFK21:00-SYD06:45+2). With LHR, I see something like SYD20:00 - LHR06:10+1, but how will the return flight look? An evening LHR departure would hit the curfew back in SYD. Eg LHR22:00 - SYD03:15+2. What's everyone else thing about the LHR-SYD leg?


Highly doubt Sunrise Aircrafts will be sitting around more than 4hrs a day if they on a daily service. (SYD17:30 - LHR05:00+1 & return LHR08:30-SYD14:00) will allow 3,5hrs turnarounds based on 20hrs 30mins flight times
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:28 pm

FL420FT wrote:
qf789 wrote:
VH-OQB did a test flight yesterday after coming out of maintenance at AUH

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 71169?s=20



The sooner OQB returns the better ...

The Qf7/8 on 23 August has a 24 hour delay ..

As a result the QF 11/12 SYD/LAX/SYD for 25Aug is cancelled


Should be back in Sydney lunch time Saturday
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:51 am

VietJet Air has signed a MOU with AVV. Hopefully, this will be Avalons second of many international services. Note, however, Brisbane also has a MOU with Vietjet but we haven't heard anything. Also aware of 2 our carriers which Avalon are in talks with.



https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/natio ... 1ed70e161b
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:00 am

log0008 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
CZ321/344 CAN-MEL, A388 operating 10 Jan to 13 Feb 20

https://twitter.com/FATIIIAviation/stat ... 09728?s=20


QF, EK, QR, SQ, MH and CZ will all operate the A380 to Melbourne during this period, if only we still had EY!


Is this the first time CZ has operated to MEL with theirs? I recall SYD but don’t remember it coming to MEL
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:58 am

Captdasbomb wrote:
Fuling wrote:
I'm starting to wonder what the schedules of the Project Sunrise flights will look like. I imagine JFK will stay roughly the same (SYD16:00 - JFK18:00 / JFK21:00-SYD06:45+2). With LHR, I see something like SYD20:00 - LHR06:10+1, but how will the return flight look? An evening LHR departure would hit the curfew back in SYD. Eg LHR22:00 - SYD03:15+2. What's everyone else thing about the LHR-SYD leg?


Highly doubt Sunrise Aircrafts will be sitting around more than 4hrs a day if they on a daily service. (SYD17:30 - LHR05:00+1 & return LHR08:30-SYD14:00) will allow 3,5hrs turnarounds based on 20hrs 30mins flight times

Where is the 08:30 slot coming from? From memory [dangerous, I know] QF have two late evening and two lunchtime departure slot times at LHR , is this correct? [I belive two currently leased out

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Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:20 am

Gemuser wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
Fuling wrote:
I'm starting to wonder what the schedules of the Project Sunrise flights will look like. I imagine JFK will stay roughly the same (SYD16:00 - JFK18:00 / JFK21:00-SYD06:45+2). With LHR, I see something like SYD20:00 - LHR06:10+1, but how will the return flight look? An evening LHR departure would hit the curfew back in SYD. Eg LHR22:00 - SYD03:15+2. What's everyone else thing about the LHR-SYD leg?


Highly doubt Sunrise Aircrafts will be sitting around more than 4hrs a day if they on a daily service. (SYD17:30 - LHR05:00+1 & return LHR08:30-SYD14:00) will allow 3,5hrs turnarounds based on 20hrs 30mins flight times

Where is the 08:30 slot coming from? From memory [dangerous, I know] QF have two late evening and two lunchtime departure slot times at LHR , is this correct? [I belive two currently leased out

Gemuser


I’d see something along the lines of MEL/SYD departures in the midday slots Non stop arriving at 1700-1800 into SYD/MEL while PER might switch to an evening departure arriving 2100-2200 and onto the east coast as a red eye arriving 0500-0600, while the existing service via SIN remains as the other evening departure. The PER flight wouldn’t be great for other destinations connections with a 2200 arrival.
 
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Obzerva wrote:
log0008 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
CZ321/344 CAN-MEL, A388 operating 10 Jan to 13 Feb 20

https://twitter.com/FATIIIAviation/stat ... 09728?s=20


QF, EK, QR, SQ, MH and CZ will all operate the A380 to Melbourne during this period, if only we still had EY!


Is this the first time CZ has operated to MEL with theirs? I recall SYD but don’t remember it coming to MEL


Yes, first time for MEL. CZ will be operating the same capacity out of both MEL and SYD for the period.
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:54 am

Another idea for non-stop LHR to MEL/SYD flights is an afternoon departure, with an evening arrival the next day. Currently there is no option that allows passengers, especially those travelling for work or meetings, to have a full day in London and then travel to either city without two consecutive overnight flights, which are unappealing to many passengers. Assuming a block time of 19:30 eastbound (which I think is realistic, based off existing block times for QF10), QF could offer a hypothetical 1600 departure from LHR, arriving into SYD at 2030 (which would leave 2.5 hours breathing room for the curfew + same-day connections to MEL and BNE). For MEL-bound flights, the departure could be pushed back even later, to something like 1800 for a 2230 arrival. Combined with QF2 and QF10, this would give three different options for travel between LHR and MEL/SYD/BNE - a lunchtime departure with an early evening arrival, a late afternoon departure with an evening arrival, and a late-night option through SIN, arriving in the morning.

Of course, QF would need to obtain new slots for such timings, and this doesn't even take into account aircraft utilisation, which would be poorer with such timings. But I think if QF are to make these services successful and convince customers to pay more to fly non-stop, they need to offer something which no other airline can match in terms of timing.
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:10 am

log0008 wrote:
VietJet Air has signed a MOU with AVV. Hopefully, this will be Avalons second of many international services. Note, however, Brisbane also has a MOU with Vietjet but we haven't heard anything. Also aware of 2 our carriers which Avalon are in talks with.



https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/natio ... 1ed70e161b


Unable to access the link as it is only available to subscribers. But it is encouraging to see other airlines besides D7 express interest in serving AVV.

I think that AirAsia will be the first of many overseas LCC airlines to serve AVV. Given AVV's cheaper operating costs, accessibility to Melbourne and its catchment area (it is only an extra 20 minutes away from the CBD compared to Tullamarine), and the lack of bilateral restrictions, it would not surprise me to see four or five overseas carriers at AVV in a few years time. Airlines such as Lionair, Citilink, VietJet and Cebu Pacific would all be perfect candidates for new airlines.
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:44 am

Gemuser wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
Fuling wrote:
I'm starting to wonder what the schedules of the Project Sunrise flights will look like. I imagine JFK will stay roughly the same (SYD16:00 - JFK18:00 / JFK21:00-SYD06:45+2). With LHR, I see something like SYD20:00 - LHR06:10+1, but how will the return flight look? An evening LHR departure would hit the curfew back in SYD. Eg LHR22:00 - SYD03:15+2. What's everyone else thing about the LHR-SYD leg?


Highly doubt Sunrise Aircrafts will be sitting around more than 4hrs a day if they on a daily service. (SYD17:30 - LHR05:00+1 & return LHR08:30-SYD14:00) will allow 3,5hrs turnarounds based on 20hrs 30mins flight times

Where is the 08:30 slot coming from? From memory [dangerous, I know] QF have two late evening and two lunchtime departure slot times at LHR , is this correct? [I belive two currently leased out

Gemuser


That was my guestimate based on the flight being light on fuel on landing & wanting to be first on ground before the morning mad rush. Then factoring in a 3hr turnaround required if the LHR -SYD-LGR is using 2 frames.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:47 am

[quote="budgetflyer"][/quote]

Sounds like VietJet's target markets from AVV would be much like D7's. Cheap fares to entice budget holiday travellers across from the East & South-Eastern suburbs, and also close to much of their target VFR market, a good number of Vietnamese immigrants & their descendants live in suburbs near to AVV.

I also think AVV may start becoming a popular option when the MEL redevelopment gets into full swing, and ease of access may start becoming an issue for a while. While AVV doesn't have the upscale shops & F&B outlets that MEL has, at least those seeing you off & meeting you on arrival can almost park at the front door, without the extortionate parking rates of MEL. And long-term parking is a similar experience.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:29 am

melpax wrote:
budgetflyer wrote:


Sounds like VietJet's target markets from AVV would be much like D7's. Cheap fares to entice budget holiday travellers across from the East & South-Eastern suburbs, and also close to much of their target VFR market, a good number of Vietnamese immigrants & their descendants live in suburbs near to AVV.

I also think AVV may start becoming a popular option when the MEL redevelopment gets into full swing, and ease of access may start becoming an issue for a while. While AVV doesn't have the upscale shops & F&B outlets that MEL has, at least those seeing you off & meeting you on arrival can almost park at the front door, without the extortionate parking rates of MEL. And long-term parking is a similar experience.


I think the majority of pax on D7's AVV services are actually inbound international visitors... not budget travellers from Melbourne.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:38 am

Captdasbomb wrote:
Fuling wrote:
I'm starting to wonder what the schedules of the Project Sunrise flights will look like. I imagine JFK will stay roughly the same (SYD16:00 - JFK18:00 / JFK21:00-SYD06:45+2). With LHR, I see something like SYD20:00 - LHR06:10+1, but how will the return flight look? An evening LHR departure would hit the curfew back in SYD. Eg LHR22:00 - SYD03:15+2. What's everyone else thing about the LHR-SYD leg?


Highly doubt Sunrise Aircrafts will be sitting around more than 4hrs a day if they on a daily service. (SYD17:30 - LHR05:00+1 & return LHR08:30-SYD14:00) will allow 3,5hrs turnarounds based on 20hrs 30mins flight times


I'd have thought the business case would definitely be helped by reducing the need to two frames.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:40 pm

Ryanair01 wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
Fuling wrote:
I'm starting to wonder what the schedules of the Project Sunrise flights will look like. I imagine JFK will stay roughly the same (SYD16:00 - JFK18:00 / JFK21:00-SYD06:45+2). With LHR, I see something like SYD20:00 - LHR06:10+1, but how will the return flight look? An evening LHR departure would hit the curfew back in SYD. Eg LHR22:00 - SYD03:15+2. What's everyone else thing about the LHR-SYD leg?


Highly doubt Sunrise Aircrafts will be sitting around more than 4hrs a day if they on a daily service. (SYD17:30 - LHR05:00+1 & return LHR08:30-SYD14:00) will allow 3,5hrs turnarounds based on 20hrs 30mins flight times


I'd have thought the business case would definitely be helped by reducing the need to two frames.

There is NO way to operate this route daily with two frames! We are looking at a realistic sector time westbound, of around 21 to 23 hours, that's about 42 to 46 hours round trip! Your could not get two sectors per two days out of two frames after allowing for turn around times. You would need three frames available, possibly the third aircraft could be a "half" ie being used on a shorter flight between LHR rotations, perhaps, maybe SYD/MEL - AKL return would be about 8 hours allowing for turn around.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:56 pm

Gemuser wrote:
Ryanair01 wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:

Highly doubt Sunrise Aircrafts will be sitting around more than 4hrs a day if they on a daily service. (SYD17:30 - LHR05:00+1 & return LHR08:30-SYD14:00) will allow 3,5hrs turnarounds based on 20hrs 30mins flight times


I'd have thought the business case would definitely be helped by reducing the need to two frames.

There is NO way to operate this route daily with two frames! We are looking at a realistic sector time westbound, of around 21 to 23 hours, that's about 42 to 46 hours round trip! Your could not get two sectors per two days out of two frames after allowing for turn around times. You would need three frames available, possibly the third aircraft could be a "half" ie being used on a shorter flight between LHR rotations, perhaps, maybe SYD/MEL - AKL return would be about 8 hours allowing for turn around.

Gemuser


Back in the day when I worked in ground handling as a student (all be it 15-20 years ago now) I personally helped turn 747s off long haul flights to a 90-minute schedule in London, it's quite doable. In fact BA/QF do it every day in Singapore as aircraft stop to refuel (all be it A380s & 773s). A fast London turnaround wouldn't even need to be that fast. I'm sorry, but I find it intensely annoying when people tell me I can't do what I've already routinely done!

You could very easily use two frames, you would pin a shorter haul journey (e.g. SIN) between London rotations. That's partly why you'd want the plane back in Sydney asap, so it could do a round trip (e.g. SYD-SIN or whatever) and still be back in Sydney for the next morning/lunchtime, ready for another LHR evening departure (or lunchtime departure to JFK).

You would need 3 frames available, but the 2nd frame could 'just' be back in SYD before frame 3 takes off.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:21 pm

log0008 wrote:
VietJet Air has signed a MOU with AVV. Hopefully, this will be Avalons second of many international services. Note, however, Brisbane also has a MOU with Vietjet but we haven't heard anything. Also aware of 2 our carriers which Avalon are in talks with.


Given Vietjet don't have any aircraft bigger than A321NEO, and nothing on order to be received in the near future with the range for AVV/MEL, this is not something we should be banking on coming to fruition for some time (if at all).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:50 pm

Ryanair01 wrote:
Gemuser wrote:
Ryanair01 wrote:

I'd have thought the business case would definitely be helped by reducing the need to two frames.

There is NO way to operate this route daily with two frames! We are looking at a realistic sector time westbound, of around 21 to 23 hours, that's about 42 to 46 hours round trip! Your could not get two sectors per two days out of two frames after allowing for turn around times. You would need three frames available, possibly the third aircraft could be a "half" ie being used on a shorter flight between LHR rotations, perhaps, maybe SYD/MEL - AKL return would be about 8 hours allowing for turn around.

Gemuser


Back in the day when I worked in ground handling as a student (all be it 15-20 years ago now) I personally helped turn 747s off long haul flights to a 90-minute schedule in London, it's quite doable. In fact BA/QF do it every day in Singapore as aircraft stop to refuel (all be it A380s & 773s). A fast London turnaround wouldn't even need to be that fast. I'm sorry, but I find it intensely annoying when people tell me I can't do what I've already routinely done!

You could very easily use two frames, you would pin a shorter haul journey (e.g. SIN) between London rotations. That's partly why you'd want the plane back in Sydney asap, so it could do a round trip (e.g. SYD-SIN or whatever) and still be back in Sydney for the next morning/lunchtime, ready for another LHR evening departure (or lunchtime departure to JFK).

You would need 3 frames available, but the 2nd frame could 'just' be back in SYD before frame 3 takes off.


Of course it's doable, 90 minute turns aren't news, but you cannot run your aircraft at 20-22 hours per day consecutively and not have something go wrong. That utilisation is way too high, the maintenance department would have a coniption if they thought that was the likely scenario.

Given that Qantas already own four slots at LHR I'm really not sure why people are questioning what time the flights would be. The schedule will almost certainly reflect their current slot times. Short of an airline insolvency you are not going to get a departure slot between 0800-1200 without putting up a lot of money. Utilisation really isn't everything, and Qantas already park their aircraft for hours on end at LHR and other airports around the system. There's no reason to think they suddenly need to increase utilisation higher than it already is.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:45 am

Ryanair01 wrote:
Back in the day when I worked in ground handling as a student (all be it 15-20 years ago now) I personally helped turn 747s off long haul flights to a 90-minute schedule in London, it's quite doable. In fact BA/QF do it every day in Singapore as aircraft stop to refuel (all be it A380s & 773s). A fast London turnaround wouldn't even need to be that fast. I'm sorry, but I find it intensely annoying when people tell me I can't do what I've already routinely done!


Of course a 90 minute time around is doable.

Allocating only two frames for a route that takes 43 hours round trip is not doable.

What you have done is ground handling, which is different to fleet management. Reality is that things go wrong and if your utilisation is that high, you'll never recover and have to cancel all too frequently.

They might be able to do SYD/MEL-LHR with 5 frames, but even that is quite tight.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:52 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
Ryanair0h1 wrote:
Gemuser wrote:
There is NO way to operate this route daily with two frames! We are looking at a realistic sector time westbound, of around 21 to 23 hours, that's about 42 to 46 hours round trip! Your could not get two sectors per two days out of two frames after allowing for turn around times. You would need three frames available, possibly the third aircraft could be a "half" ie being used on a shorter flight between LHR rotations, perhaps, maybe SYD/MEL - AKL return would be about 8 hours allowing for turn around.

Gemuser


Back in the day when I worked in ground handling as a student (all be it 15-20 years ago now) I personally helped turn 747s off long haul flights to a 90-minute schedule in London, it's quite doable. In fact BA/QF do it every day in Singapore as aircraft stop to refuel (all be it A380s & 773s). A fast London turnaround wouldn't even need to be that fast. I'm sorry, but I find it intensely annoying when people tell me I can't do what I've already routinely done!

You could very easily use two frames, you would pin a shorter haul journey (e.g. SIN) between London rotations. That's partly why you'd want the plane back in Sydney asap, so it could do a round trip (e.g. SYD-SIN or whatever) and still be back in Sydney for the next morning/lunchtime, ready for another LHR evening departure (or lunchtime departure to JFK).

You would need 3 frames available, but the 2nd frame could 'just' be back in SYD before frame 3 takes off.


Of course it's doable, 90 minute turns aren't news, but you cannot run your aircraft at 20-22 hours per day consecutively and not have something go wrong. That utilisation is way too high, the maintenance department would have a coniption if they thought that was the likely scenario.

Given that Qantas already own four slots at LHR I'm really not sure why people are questioning what time the flights would be. The schedule will almost certainly reflect their current slot times. Short of an airline insolvency you are not going to get a departure slot between 0800-1200 without putting up a lot of money. Utilisation really isn't everything, and Qantas already park their aircraft for hours on end at LHR and other airports around the system. There's no reason to think they suddenly need to increase utilisation higher than it already is.


Jet engines work better under continuous operation like they do on power plants. Pretty sure the maintenance boys will tell you 1 cycle a day is better for the frame. Singapore are doing it with the ULRs though only running then 19-20hrs a day
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:04 am

The West reporting today WA tourism minister meeting with MU this week re Shanghai flights to Perth.

Had been quiet for a while on that one
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:45 am

Next Sunday nights FJ flight from Melbourne to Nandi has been cancelled, My family were meant to be on that flight, looks like we are going the Saturday night now, I have tried to find out why looking on their web site and also Melbourne Airport site as well with no luck. Does any body know why this flight has been cancelled is it lack of aircraft, or maintenance or some thing else?

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