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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:14 am

unrave wrote:
srkSJC wrote:
Any latest news on the T-1 expansion of IGIA? Any photos being uploaded by DIAL. How about HYD expansion, Goa-Mopa and MAA? Heard even AMD is undergoing expansion of some sorts.

HYD expansion is underway in full swing
Mopa has been held back by environment activists terrorists. It is before the Supreme Court now.
I am not sure what is happening at AMD but the city's second airport at Dholera has advanced nicely with the signing of the MoU between Guj state government and AAI

It seems that the Supreme Court is sympathetic to the Goa environmentalists (this despite being informed that every day of delay causes Rs X loss to the project.) The sad part is this just emboldens anyone opposing any project to challenge projects on environmental grounds.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:36 am

I hope and believe that ultimately SC will decide in favour of the airport with some environmental safeguards
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:49 am

Goa-Mopa dispute on environment - It all depends how the dynamics play out at the level of state government and various other players who intermingle with it. The massive vacuum caused by ill health of Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar and then his demise dealt a body blow to the cause of infrastructure. Mumbai metro had faced a pitched battle with a more powerful lobby of liberal citizens but barring minor issues it could go on. The difference was the governance and style of the government officers who were handling the project in Mumbai. Mumbai metro has some of the most endearing public outreach efforts, so much so that Wall Street Journal did a piece on them!! Their website and the twitter handle is brimming with information and always associating with the various citizen groups... Massive infrastructure projects will get delayed or get obstructed. smart moves and innovatively designed unique approaches are the best way forward. I am sure Goa-Mopa will come along. Do not forget that many leading hotel chains and local trade association do not like the airport so far away. All of them benefit from the choked dambolim airport (never mind the pain it brings for the passengers, bad press and the never ending tussle with Indian Navy for more flight timings....). Military airfields hosting civilian flights is nothing new in the world but in India they have to contend with a security scenario which is unforgiving. So there are always multitude of factors.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:23 am

Some troubling news from AA - Stock price fell to a five year low of $26 (approximately). I know it is due to many factors but hope this is not a spoilsport in their decision to launch a india non-stop flight. Belt tightening is the first thing that happens in these type of situations.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:34 am

SpiceJet's adding frequencies on :
Chennai- Shirdi 2nd flight
Kolkata- Chennai 3rd flight
Kolkata- Bangkok 2nd flight

IndiGo to add new sector-
Delhi- Riyadh x daily

Air India announces new -
Delhi- Doha x4 weekly
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:26 am

avier wrote:
SpiceJet's adding frequencies on :
Chennai- Shirdi 2nd flight
Kolkata- Chennai 3rd flight
Kolkata- Bangkok 2nd flight

IndiGo to add new sector-
Delhi- Riyadh x daily

Air India announces new -
Delhi- Doha x4 weekly


Good to see Shirdi getting more connectivity. What happened to the Indigo Dammam flights from Kannur, Kochi, Trivandrum, Kozikode? Are they resuming AMD-DOH flights which were culled due to pilot shortage in the summer months. Indigo official William Boulter mentioned that those flights removed from their summer schedule will return once the winter schedule comes back online. .....
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:35 am

I had a question - what do people here on this forum think about shifting all non scheduled flights from IGIA to Rohini heliport ( after constructing capable runways, immigration facilities for foreign flights). Also all paramilitary flights operated by Border Security Force, Central Reserve Police Force, ITBP, NSG {yes they fly daily across the country for various reasons and sometimes carry senior officers } can be moved thereby allowing precious hangar space, reducing traffic congestion. IAF squadron can remain there though i guess Hindon AF base is a good substitute for that {something on the line of Joint Base Andrews}. VVIP flights can operate from Hindon AF base if required. All VVIPS have their dedicated ferry service via the IAF Communication Squadron. Plus foreign dignitaries can also land in Hindon AF base reducing load on IGIA. Already AF day celebrations are now conducted in Hindon AF. Only Issue with Hindon AF base is the possibility of bird strikes and presence of the Ghazipur waste dumping ground nearby.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:13 am

avier wrote:
SpiceJet's adding frequencies on :
Chennai- Shirdi 2nd flight
Kolkata- Chennai 3rd flight
Kolkata- Bangkok 2nd flight

IndiGo to add new sector-
Delhi- Riyadh x daily

Air India announces new -
Delhi- Doha x4 weekly


Some further additions by IndiGo:
Delhi - Kuwait 1st new daily - from Oct 12th, same day as DEL-RUH launch

From Sept' 15th-
Delhi- Indore 5th flight
Delhi- Lucknow 9th flight
Delhi- Udaipur 4th flight
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:31 pm

After 6 airports stopped fuel supply to AI, now oil firms will discontinue fuel supply to Air India at Hyderabad & Raipur too from Sept 6. The airline says it will stop flights at these 2 airports if fuel is disconnected. Vishakhapatnam (Vizag) too may soon go off their network for the same reason.

https://m.timesofindia.com/business/ind ... ssion=true

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/tr ... 925339.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:14 pm

avier wrote:
After 6 airports stopped fuel supply to AI, now oil firms will discontinue fuel supply to Air India at Hyderabad & Raipur too from Sept 6. The airline says it will stop flights at these 2 airports if fuel is disconnected. Vishakhapatnam (Vizag) too may soon go off their network for the same reason.

https://m.timesofindia.com/business/ind ... ssion=true

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/tr ... 925339.cms


What is the Government's strategy? Given that it wants to sell Air India (AI), would things such as fuel stoppage hurt potential investor sentiment in AI? Isn't stopping fuel supplies a better strategy if one wants to shut an airline not sell it?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:15 pm

avier wrote:

IndiGo to add new sector-
Delhi- Riyadh x daily

Some further additions by IndiGo:
Delhi - Kuwait 1st new daily - from Oct 12th, same day as DEL-RUH launch

From Sept' 15th-
Delhi- Indore 5th flight
Delhi- Lucknow 9th flight
Delhi- Udaipur 4th flight


Interesting that Indigo is going after Delhi slots in all the above cases.
Last edited by edealinfo on Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:18 pm

srkSJC wrote:
I had a question - what do people here on this forum think about shifting all non scheduled flights from IGIA to Rohini heliport ( after constructing capable runways, immigration facilities for foreign flights). Also all paramilitary flights operated by Border Security Force, Central Reserve Police Force, ITBP, NSG {yes they fly daily across the country for various reasons and sometimes carry senior officers } can be moved thereby allowing precious hangar space, reducing traffic congestion. IAF squadron can remain there though i guess Hindon AF base is a good substitute for that {something on the line of Joint Base Andrews}. VVIP flights can operate from Hindon AF base if required. All VVIPS have their dedicated ferry service via the IAF Communication Squadron. Plus foreign dignitaries can also land in Hindon AF base reducing load on IGIA. Already AF day celebrations are now conducted in Hindon AF. Only Issue with Hindon AF base is the possibility of bird strikes and presence of the Ghazipur waste dumping ground nearby.


Great idea but "wishful" in the sense that it will never happen. The same Indian bureaucracy that wants the convenience of DEL airport has to decide whether Hindon/Rohini or DEL is better FOR THEM. You have the answer right there.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:20 pm

srkSJC wrote:
Some troubling news from AA - Stock price fell to a five year low of $26 (approximately). I know it is due to many factors but hope this is not a spoilsport in their decision to launch a india non-stop flight. Belt tightening is the first thing that happens in these type of situations.


So, will they be starting flights to India from Houston or PHL?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:30 pm

https://www.aai.aero/sites/default/file ... Annex3.pdf

Questions and observations:

1) When do you think HYD will overtake MAA to become the 4th top airport in India?

2) When do you think BLR will overtake BOM to become the #3 airport in India.

3) HYD, MAA and CCU are all neck and neck [I have labelled them Tier 4 below]. Will one of these materially pull ahead than the other two? Which one and why?

4) Is AMD slot constrained? [Separately, is AMD the 5th largest metro city in India or some other city]?

AAI July 2019 traffic stats - Top 25 airports

01. DELHI 5805975 (Tier 1)
02. MUMBAI 3869320 (Tier 2)
03. BANGALORE 2745723 (Tier 3)
04. CHENNAI 1959176 (Tier 4)
05. HYDERABAD 1836789 (Tier 4)
06. KOLKATA 1822845 (Tier 4)
07. AHMEDABAD 958675
08. COCHIN 838574
09. PUNE 720577
10. GOA 639768
11. GUWAHATI 506555
12. LUCKNOW 455766
13. JAIPUR 407560
14. PATNA 394270
15. TRIVANDRUM 348496
16. BHUBANESWAR 299697
17. CALICUT 286239
18. BAGDOGRA 272418
19. SRINAGAR 271921
20. NAGPUR 259704
21. COIMBATORE 254564
22. VARANASI 241072
23. INDORE 229224
24. VISAKHAPATNAM 221124
25. RANCHI 212317
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:37 pm

Japan Could Be Vistara's First 787 Route

This would be my bet as well assuming they are unable to get LHR slots through the normal process. However, they have also said that they are willing "to pay" (lease or buy?) to get LHR slots. Who knows? Maybe BA will lease one to them to prevent them from getting into bed with Virgin and SkyTeam. Alternatively, will Virgin give up its virginity and lease a slot to Vistara to entice them into a Virgin/SkyTeam relationship? Will Singapore Airlines, which has a say in Vistara's affairs, stay neutral in both these scenarios, rule it out completely, or support one of the two scenarios?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 6d996f7f23
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:41 pm

"For second time, Spicejet's London dreams go sour"
https://www.theweek.in/news/biz-tech/20 ... -sour.html

Hats off to Ajay Singh for at least trying. He is trying to get "free LHR slots" and tried both DEL-LHR and Amritsar- LHR. It doesn't hurt to throw darts at a board and hope one will hit -- meaning he should continue to keep applying for LHR slots each season. There is no cost to this approach. Further, I like his strategy of also applying for Amritsar- LHR, which may score additional points than otherwise in the slot selection and approval process as it is a completely "new [non stop] route".
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:45 pm

srkSJC wrote:
Goa-Mopa dispute on environment - It all depends how the dynamics play out at the level of state government and various other players who intermingle with it. The massive vacuum caused by ill health of Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar and then his demise dealt a body blow to the cause of infrastructure. Mumbai metro had faced a pitched battle with a more powerful lobby of liberal citizens but barring minor issues it could go on. The difference was the governance and style of the government officers who were handling the project in Mumbai. Mumbai metro has some of the most endearing public outreach efforts, so much so that Wall Street Journal did a piece on them!! Their website and the twitter handle is brimming with information and always associating with the various citizen groups... Massive infrastructure projects will get delayed or get obstructed. smart moves and innovatively designed unique approaches are the best way forward. I am sure Goa-Mopa will come along. Do not forget that many leading hotel chains and local trade association do not like the airport so far away. All of them benefit from the choked dambolim airport (never mind the pain it brings for the passengers, bad press and the never ending tussle with Indian Navy for more flight timings....). Military airfields hosting civilian flights is nothing new in the world but in India they have to contend with a security scenario which is unforgiving. So there are always multitude of factors.


Excellent background and perspective. Hats off to Mumbai metro for their approach.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:38 pm

avier wrote:
After 6 airports stopped fuel supply to AI, now oil firms will discontinue fuel supply to Air India at Hyderabad & Raipur too from Sept 6. The airline says it will stop flights at these 2 airports if fuel is disconnected. Vishakhapatnam (Vizag) too may soon go off their network for the same reason.

https://m.timesofindia.com/business/ind ... ssion=true

https://m.economictimes.com/industry/tr ... 925339.cms


See the link below and now it seems to make sense (in the Government's political world). It appears that the Government turned a blind eye to the cutting of fuel supplies since this pertains to the Haj related operations.

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/unpai ... 278181.htm
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:32 am

edealinfo wrote:
See the link below and now it seems to make sense (in the Government's political world). It appears that the Government turned a blind eye to the cutting of fuel supplies since this pertains to the Haj related operations.

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/unpai ... 278181.htm

Haj operations were *also* hit on account of fuel supply disruption.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:48 am

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