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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:59 pm

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TK seems to have really interesting allocations this month. For example, the widebodies-only day tomorrow for LHR and I found something even more interesting. TK should be sending an A321 to Bishkek (TK344/5) on the 25th! This route is very strictly 737 operated. I've only ever seen 2 A321s on it, both were A321neos sent last month. This time, if there's no swap, it should be an A321-231, so an A321ceo, my first time seeing an A321 on the route.

That's not to mention where some of the old TC-JFx/JGx aircraft have been (Khartoum, Malaga, Marseille, Cairo) and A330s to places like Dublin (not as rare as everything else mentioned), Bordeaux and Strasbourg.

I wonder if the MAX groundings have some role to play because I've also noticed that the Africa routes that usually get TC-JYA to TC-JYJ have been getting TC-JYL to JYP and more 737-800s than usual.

There's also a 77W scheduled for Vienna on August 27th. Interesting times indeed.


That route has developed quite nicely, a while ago it got upgraded to A332, now it's A333 and soon B77W.

In other news, Pegasus is moving its Kiev operations to KBP.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -sep-2019/
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:04 pm

It looks as though Turkish Airlines is beginning B789 JFK service earlier than believed. Thursday's Flight 1 and Saturday's Flight 11 are both scheduled on the B789.

Also, curious: when TK began IST-JFK, was that flight assigned number 1 from the get-go?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:10 am

Anyone else think Pegasus needs a new livery? The current one with the huge URL flypgs.com looks kinda outdated to me.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:08 am

According to Ugur Cebeci's today's article in Hurriyet, Turkish Airlines plans to open new destinations to the following cities in the near future; Seattle, Orlando, Las Vegas, Tokyo (Haneda), Shenzhen, Phnom Penh.

Article link in Turkish:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/ugu ... a-41307550
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:30 am

-Yes, I read that article. Funny, I was just suggesting MCO few days ago. And we were talking about LAS. He also talks about how TK has a bus service from LAX to SAN and pax are happy about it. And try to lease single aisle jets in the near term and trying to move the 350 delivery dates to earlier time frame.
-About the 787-9 JFK service. I think they are moving IST-AMS flights back to 332/333/77W and freeing up those 789s for longer routes, like JFK and coming up MEX-CUN. Besides, the 5th and 6th 789s are set for delivery on 8/28th and 9/10th.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:38 am

The article also states that TK is looking at the A220 and Embraer 190-195. I wonder what routes would see these aircraft if TK got them. I can imagine some domestic expansion to cities that only have a single daily flight.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:50 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
It looks as though Turkish Airlines is beginning B789 JFK service earlier than believed. Thursday's Flight 1 and Saturday's Flight 11 are both scheduled on the B789.

Also, curious: when TK began IST-JFK, was that flight assigned number 1 from the get-go?

IIRC it has been flight 1 from the get go.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:14 am

Can anyone explain to me the logic behind TK's schedule change system?

I have had numerous schedule changes by 5 minutes that require me to CALL up and 'confirm' them. Pretty much every other airline I've flown that has minor schedule changes like that will just email me with the minor change 'approved'. Why, oh why must I waste time and money calling up TK to do this? It's a complete waste of their time and mine.

Also, why is the quality of English at TK so awful? I mean, for an airline that flies all over the world, you would think they could employ staff that can speak better English. If you're going to force me to call up, at try least speak something comprehensible. :sarcastic:
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:23 am

AirbusA343 wrote:
TK seems to have really interesting allocations this month. For example, the widebodies-only day tomorrow for LHR and I found something even more interesting. TK should be sending an A321 to Bishkek (TK344/5) on the 25th! This route is very strictly 737 operated. I've only ever seen 2 A321s on it, both were A321neos sent last month. This time, if there's no swap, it should be an A321-231, so an A321ceo, my first time seeing an A321 on the route.

That's not to mention where some of the old TC-JFx/JGx aircraft have been (Khartoum, Malaga, Marseille, Cairo) and A330s to places like Dublin (not as rare as everything else mentioned), Bordeaux and Strasbourg.

I wonder if the MAX groundings have some role to play because I've also noticed that the Africa routes that usually get TC-JYA to TC-JYJ have been getting TC-JYL to JYP and more 737-800s than usual.

Once I got a last-minute change to TC-JGZ from Moscow instead of B739 (16/153). That was a terrible experience as my seats moved to the very end of the cabin and the AC was stinking strong during take-off. That occurs so rarely on Moscow flights so I was so "lucky".
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:57 am

ushuaia wrote:
According to Ugur Cebeci's today's article in Hurriyet, Turkish Airlines plans to open new destinations to the following cities in the near future; Seattle, Orlando, Las Vegas, Tokyo (Haneda), Shenzhen, Phnom Penh.

Article link in Turkish:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/ugu ... a-41307550


I wonder if TK is choosing Seattle over YVR or can both work for TK ?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:47 am

TK's inaugural IST-MEX TK181 is on its way, today with a 77W:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY ... /LTFM/MMMX
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:09 am

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TK's inaugural IST-MEX TK181

AFAIK, also becoming the longest TK route.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:21 am

TK-181 becomes the TK's longest commerical flight with 11.406km / 6.158nm.
The former longest flight was the TK9/10 (IST-LAX) with 11.000km / 5.939nm
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:29 am

bgm wrote:
Can anyone explain to me the logic behind TK's schedule change system?

I have had numerous schedule changes by 5 minutes that require me to CALL up and 'confirm' them. Pretty much every other airline I've flown that has minor schedule changes like that will just email me with the minor change 'approved'. Why, oh why must I waste time and money calling up TK to do this? It's a complete waste of their time and mine.

Also, why is the quality of English at TK so awful? I mean, for an airline that flies all over the world, you would think they could employ staff that can speak better English. If you're going to force me to call up, at try least speak something comprehensible. :sarcastic:

I was in this exact same situation earlier this month! They changed the arrival time of my flight from 5:50am to 5:45am within a day of departure so required us to call up to confirm it. In the end we just went to the airport to check in there on the day of departure.

One of my flights in July was rescheduled to depart 15 minutes earlier and arrive 5 minutes earlier but I was given the option to confirm online. I had two weeks notice back then though.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:42 am

About the schedule changes, there must be a glitch in the system, in terms of INT flights.
It should be as easy as clicking on the "I accept" button. But that option does not work, you get an error message. I was able to click on it for a DOM flight recently.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:57 am

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About the schedule changes, there must be a glitch in the system, in terms of INT flights.
It should be as easy as clicking on the "I accept" button. But that option does not work, you get an error message. I was able to click on it for a DOM flight recently.


I got 2 emails for each of my flights, that have shifted by a whopping 5 minutes:

Your following flights have schedule changes.
Please contact our call center for schedule change procedures at 444 0 849 or +90 850 333 0 849. Please be informed and have a safe flight!


When I login to the reservation, I got the following super helpful message:

Textfield-REZ-DASH-116


showing 'disrupted' flights followed by the 'new' flights (with the 5 min schedule change). There is nowhere to confirm online and I don't know if I have the stamina to deal with deciphering the gibberenglish they speak at the call center. Guess I'll just let them figure it out at checkin.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:24 pm

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Guess I'll just let them figure it out at checkin.

I've done that exactly previously.
Maybe, just maybe you might contact the TK center for a seat assignment for your flight and possibly that might also solve the schedule change problem. Maybe??
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:46 pm

About, IST-MEX-CUN-IST; any idea about the logistic and crew requirements???
-Will they serve 3 meals on IST-MEX?
-3 pilots enough to do IST-MEX?
-On the return, crew "time restricted" to fly MEX-CUN-IST?
Thanks.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:33 pm

TK787 wrote:
About, IST-MEX-CUN-IST; any idea about the logistic and crew requirements???
-Will they serve 3 meals on IST-MEX?
-3 pilots enough to do IST-MEX?
-On the return, crew "time restricted" to fly MEX-CUN-IST?
Thanks.


can imagine it is done like with other triangle routes.

example

IST-HAV (1st crew)
HAV-CCS (2nd crew)
CCS-IST (3rd crew)

IST-BOG (1st crew)
BOG-PTY (2nd crew)
PTY-IST (3rd crew)
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:23 am

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Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:29 am

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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:28 am

YVR is a better option than Seattle but Seattle alone will also work. Both should be served in my opinion. A triangle flight cold be ideal to start with also.

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ushuaia wrote:
According to Ugur Cebeci's today's article in Hurriyet, Turkish Airlines plans to open new destinations to the following cities in the near future; Seattle, Orlando, Las Vegas, Tokyo (Haneda), Shenzhen, Phnom Penh.

Article link in Turkish:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/ugu ... a-41307550


I wonder if TK is choosing Seattle over YVR or can both work for TK ?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:31 am

@"A triangle flight cold be ideal to start with also."

I remember many years ago flying LHR-YVR-SEA on BA 747.
Not sure if SEA has the right time slots for TK. If they do TK will do a daily to SEA, not the case with YVR.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:58 am

ankaraflyjet wrote:
YVR is a better option than Seattle but Seattle alone will also work. Both should be served in my opinion. A triangle flight cold be ideal to start with also.

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ushuaia wrote:
According to Ugur Cebeci's today's article in Hurriyet, Turkish Airlines plans to open new destinations to the following cities in the near future; Seattle, Orlando, Las Vegas, Tokyo (Haneda), Shenzhen, Phnom Penh.

Article link in Turkish:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/ugu ... a-41307550


I wonder if TK is choosing Seattle over YVR or can both work for TK ?


A triangle flight is not an option because the YVR-IST bound pax who fly via SEA would have to de-plane in SEA and clear immigration/customs which is a big hassle and shall not be appreciated by them. Remember a lot of TK's current YUL + YYZ pax go to countries in Middle East and Africa which are subject to greater scrutiny so its best just to fly either YVR nonstop 3wk or SEA 4-5wk nonstop.

One thing for sure in SEA is that, if TK decides to launch 5wk IST-SEA nonstop with the B789, EK's loads on this route will take a small hit especially their Africa-SEA market share.

With regards to MCO, strange choice but probably being looked at if B6 is going to cooperate a lot with feeder traffic beyond MCO. Other than that I only forsee MCO-IST being a summer seasonal 3wk service with the B789.

PNH will obviously be a tag flight via Thailand or Vietnam to begin with as it cannot be sustained on its own.

SZX is a good market for TK to tap into 4wk to begin with.

LAS is a bit of an eye roller to be frank...TK is better off launching DFW before LAS !

Question...how are TK's Mauritius flights performing as am surprised it hasnt changed to nonstop terminators IST-MRU-IST as yet.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:38 pm

Good timing with Turkish Airlines sponsoring Argentinian team River Plata as they head into the Copa Libertadores semi finals.

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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:06 pm

Saw an interview with Nevzat Arsan, AtlasGlobal chief commercial officer and how they are looking at redesigning the airline's network (yet again).

Basically, they found in the 2015-2017 period that operating point-to-point network would be a loss-making venture as not only would they be directly effected by swings in O&D demand from things like terrorism events, the coup fallout, and economic challenges, they simply did not have the scale to compete against larger operators. (presume he means TK and Pegasus).

So they have now decided to pivot more into a connecting carrier model. Already they have gone from 1% transfer passenger volume in 2015 to 27% in 2019. Their goal is to grow this to point where at least 1/3 of network passengers are connecting. The new Istanbul airport will help with this as they won't struggle with attaining viable slot times as they did at Ataturk. As part of the model, they also would like to explore growing more niche markets especially ones where European carriers are absent, such as Iraq, Iran, and Central Asia/CIS where they can generate good flow from their own European flights, but especially from partners AF/KL via IST.
Looking further ahead they are exploring obtaining A320NEO's on lease and believe such models would help open new more distant markets like Afghanistan and Western China

Basically, they are looking at building a mini-TK @ IST and having the ability to balance traffic flow between local demand and transfer traffic to better flex and reduce geopolitical and economic risk. Lets see if this work... Its about the 5, or 6th business model change at KK since its 2001 founding!
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:30 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Saw an interview with Nevzat Arsan, AtlasGlobal chief commercial officer and how they are looking at redesigning the airline's network (yet again).

Basically, they found in the 2015-2017 period that operating point-to-point network would be a loss-making venture as not only would they be directly effected by swings in O&D demand from things like terrorism events, the coup fallout, and economic challenges, they simply did not have the scale to compete against larger operators. (presume he means TK and Pegasus).

So they have now decided to pivot more into a connecting carrier model. Already they have gone from 1% transfer passenger volume in 2015 to 27% in 2019. Their goal is to grow this to point where at least 1/3 of network passengers are connecting. The new Istanbul airport will help with this as they won't struggle with attaining viable slot times as they did at Ataturk. As part of the model, they also would like to explore growing more niche markets especially ones where European carriers are absent, such as Iraq, Iran, and Central Asia/CIS where they can generate good flow from their own European flights, but especially from partners AF/KL via IST.
Looking further ahead they are exploring obtaining A320NEO's on lease and believe such models would help open new more distant markets like Afghanistan and Western China

Basically, they are looking at building a mini-TK @ IST and having the ability to balance traffic flow between local demand and transfer traffic to better flex and reduce geopolitical and economic risk. Lets see if this work... Its about the 5, or 6th business model change at KK since its 2001 founding!


But isn't their European network rather limited? They will have to do a lot of work in order to catch up, not only to Turkish Airlines but Pegasus as well. That said, I believe the Turkish market is mature enough to sustain three carriers.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:52 pm

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But isn't their European network rather limited? They will have to do a lot of work in order to catch up, not only to Turkish Airlines but Pegasus as well. That said, I believe the Turkish market is mature enough to sustain three carriers.


I got the impression they are looking to grow domestic and international eastward, with their own Europe network being smaller footprint but reliant on a feed from partners like AF/KL. Actually sounded like AFKL is encouraging KK to explore some of these more niche markets with the promise of access to broader AFKL network.

Its also a bit ironic since KLM has a deal with Pegasus as well.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:45 pm

ushuaia wrote:
According to Ugur Cebeci's today's article in Hurriyet, Turkish Airlines plans to open new destinations to the following cities in the near future; Seattle, Orlando, Las Vegas, Tokyo (Haneda), Shenzhen, Phnom Penh.

Article link in Turkish:
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/ugu ... a-41307550


I was asking about Shenzhen here just last month - good to hear they're already working on it!

Would be interesting to have 3 long-haul destinations so close to each other with Guangzhou, Hong Kong, and Shenzhen in between. Is there another TK trio like this besides NY-Boston-DC?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:38 pm

I was ckeckng TK s today flights and discoveredthat TK ha sa new flight to GRU. TK193 departs at 1345 and arrives next day afternoon like LAX flights, seems that there is 3 weekly service to GRU and 4 weekly ist-gru-Eze.
I think EZE is not performing so well so they went to that direction (mentioned at at Ugur Cebeci column as well last week)
I have always have the opinon of that 77W was too big for that route, it was a 343 route but once they have been retired TK has to deploy 77w since 332 could not do it , it had a relatively bad schedule as well, no connection to india
Once 789 are available, a swap makes sence
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:40 pm

TK has taken delivery of their eighth A321neo, TC-LSH.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:17 am

During my return flight from LAX to ESB via IST, I had the opportunity to see new and old FA uniforms together. My observations for new uniforms are as follows:

- Gray uniforms for men and women FA are OK in general, but my main remark is they have no connection to Turkey (perhaps good for Croatia due to chess board like shapes on fabrics).
- I did not like the red uniforms for women FAs.
1. Our women FAs are fat in general. Both shape and color of red uniforms do not fit them. Their fat body parts looks ugly in those dresses (you know what I mean).
2. Skirts are long and look neither oriental nor modern, just plain ugly conservative. They have to be modern and at knee level.
3. Turquoise stockings just look absurd. It has to be black if you ask me.
4. Figurations on cloths look like as if curtain fabrics are used. Figures should have been smaller in size. By the way what is the relation ship of those figures to TK or Turkey. Use modernized historal cloth figuration of Turkish People to be reasonable for once (like the foulard of the blue uniforms).
- When I was on ESB flight 1 hour after disembarking from LAX flight, blue uniforms looked just marvelous. Perhaps need some upgrade but it is a timeless design for TK.

So in short: Bring back the old uniforms.
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:43 am

TK105 wrote:
During my return flight from LAX to ESB via IST, I had the opportunity to see new and old FA uniforms together. My observations for new uniforms are as follows:

- Gray uniforms for men and women FA are OK in general, but my main remark is they have no connection to Turkey (perhaps good for Croatia due to chess board like shapes on fabrics).
- I did not like the red uniforms for women FAs.
1. Our women FAs are fat in general. Both shape and color of red uniforms do not fit them. Their fat body parts looks ugly in those dresses (you know what I mean).
2. Skirts are long and look neither oriental nor modern, just plain ugly conservative. They have to be modern and at knee level.
3. Turquoise stockings just look absurd. It has to be black if you ask me.
4. Figurations on cloths look like as if curtain fabrics are used. Figures should have been smaller in size. By the way what is the relation ship of those figures to TK or Turkey. Use modernized historal cloth figuration of Turkish People to be reasonable for once (like the foulard of the blue uniforms).
- When I was on ESB flight 1 hour after disembarking from LAX flight, blue uniforms looked just marvelous. Perhaps need some upgrade but it is a timeless design for TK.

So in short: Bring back the old uniforms.


Well, the last time when they tried to make them look Turkish they went overboard and went full Ottoman, so I think now they went the opposite direction. From one extreme to the other. I think the best part about the old uniforms is that they looked practical and comfortable, these look nice but like you said, they look nice because so far they were only shown on models.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:08 am

Currently on TK09 fully booked flight to LAX in J. I didn’t like the new uniforms especially the red ones shoes etc. its my opinion maybe the others will think different. Very polite and attentive crew so far pre takeoff. Will do a trip report after (don’t expect TK787 level trip report but a summary) :)


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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:02 pm

I spoke to a TK flight attendant yesterday. He is quite upset with their roster system and he hasn't been promoted to the wide bodies yet. He says some get 6 layovers a month and others 0. Its decided by a machine that randomly picks people. Their daily working hours are long and tiring with minimal rest time. From landing to getting home takes him 2 hours. He says that some new hired flight attendants quit because of how difficult it is and he says he might look into QR/EK if this keeps up. The max crisis also put a strain on TK he says.

On the other hand my cousin who flies at Pegasus is very content. I never hear him complain.

I was hoping to become a TK FA one day but this makes me doubt whether I should stay in Holland and try for KLM in the long run.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:50 pm

Mystic wrote:
I spoke to a TK flight attendant yesterday. He is quite upset with their roster system and he hasn't been promoted to the wide bodies yet. He says some get 6 layovers a month and others 0. Its decided by a machine that randomly picks people. Their daily working hours are long and tiring with minimal rest time. From landing to getting home takes him 2 hours. He says that some new hired flight attendants quit because of how difficult it is and he says he might look into QR/EK if this keeps up. The max crisis also put a strain on TK he says.

On the other hand my cousin who flies at Pegasus is very content. I never hear him complain.

I was hoping to become a TK FA one day but this makes me doubt whether I should stay in Holland and try for KLM in the long run.

I think its easy for me to say but, most employees are not content or rather it depends on the person some people tend to be thankful and content some more ambitious ones could be different, you will find a lot of people on forums that work at the airlines you mentioned and you should research more and decide on this big step.


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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:37 pm

In June there were 13.561 Turkish tourists in Serbia, an increase of 62% compared to the year before. Unfortunately Turkish Airlines and Pegasus are blocked from adding more flights so I hope those fools at KK pull their act together and add more flights between BEG and IST- they are the only ones that can due to the partnership with JU.

From what I heard JU and TK are negotiating a code-share agreement after which JU will return to IST and TK will be allowed to send A332 to BEG and to increase flights from 14 to 17 as they wanted to.

So far this year there were 34.723 Turkish tourists in Serbia, a YoY drop of some 17%. Numbers are finally on the rise once again after the crisis hit Turkey.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:08 am

Blerg wrote:
In June there were 13.561 Turkish tourists in Serbia, an increase of 62% compared to the year before. Unfortunately Turkish Airlines and Pegasus are blocked from adding more flights so I hope those fools at KK pull their act together and add more flights between BEG and IST- they are the only ones that can due to the partnership with JU.

From what I heard JU and TK are negotiating a code-share agreement after which JU will return to IST and TK will be allowed to send A332 to BEG and to increase flights from 14 to 17 as they wanted to.

So far this year there were 34.723 Turkish tourists in Serbia, a YoY drop of some 17%. Numbers are finally on the rise once again after the crisis hit Turkey.


But don't they already have a codeshare with KK for IST? What would be the benefit for JU then since TK already has a huge network in the Balkans and won't feed JU's network?

On a separate note, I know the passenger demand exists but I always wondered how the economics of A330 work on a flight as short as 1h, is Cargo capacity really the game changer here?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:13 am

Rom1 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
In June there were 13.561 Turkish tourists in Serbia, an increase of 62% compared to the year before. Unfortunately Turkish Airlines and Pegasus are blocked from adding more flights so I hope those fools at KK pull their act together and add more flights between BEG and IST- they are the only ones that can due to the partnership with JU.

From what I heard JU and TK are negotiating a code-share agreement after which JU will return to IST and TK will be allowed to send A332 to BEG and to increase flights from 14 to 17 as they wanted to.

So far this year there were 34.723 Turkish tourists in Serbia, a YoY drop of some 17%. Numbers are finally on the rise once again after the crisis hit Turkey.


But don't they already have a codeshare with KK for IST? What would be the benefit for JU then since TK already has a huge network in the Balkans and won't feed JU's network?

On a separate note, I know the passenger demand exists but I always wondered how the economics of A330 work on a flight as short as 1h, is Cargo capacity really the game changer here?


It has little to do with JU's network in Belgrade as with TK not being able to carry more passengers from Belgrade. They are limited by a bilateral that doesn't allow them to send anything bigger than A321/B739 on two daily flights. The Serbian government wants to make sure that JU and TK cooperate and that JU returns to IST before they consider giving them more access. However they know JU can't survive in IST without a partnership with TK.

Turkish Airlines is losing out because of this situation as Belgrade is seeing strong demand from Asia, especially China and India. Aeroflot, flydubai, Qatar, Etihad... have all added flights. Heck, even Mahan Air introduced IKA-BEG in order to carry transfers from China.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:45 am

What about this latest news about TK trying to lease 350 aircraft from China before its own 350s arrive?
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:54 pm

I'm surprised that TK is taking very long to decide if they will fly IST-YVR or not. Like they already got permission to fly there, I don't see why they are not deciding so soon yet. I bet QR and EK would jump the bandwagon right away if they could fly more to Canada.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:40 am

LLF is readying for its delivery flight but what about LLE?
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:36 am

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TK-181 becomes the TK's longest commerical flight with 11.406km / 6.158nm.
The former longest flight was the TK9/10 (IST-LAX) with 11.000km / 5.939nm


Like NH service NRT-MEX.
TK and NH services to MEX are the longest on their networks.
But in TK, this will change when they announce its ultra long haul service to Australia.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:57 am

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LLF is readying for its delivery flight but what about LLE?

TC-LLE is on its delivery flight as of now:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY ... /KPAE/LTFM
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:25 am

TK787 wrote:
Mystic wrote:
LLF is readying for its delivery flight but what about LLE?

TC-LLE is on its delivery flight as of now:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY ... /KPAE/LTFM


A small confusion, I guess: The Dreamliner on ferry flight (Aug. 28/29th) is TC-LLF.  TC-LLE must still be hanging around in Seattle.
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:04 am

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What about this latest news about TK trying to lease 350 aircraft from China before its own 350s arrive?


I believe this is totally B.S. Possibly some insider blew of some asparagas and the Site (airporthaber) jumped on it! Who en earth today, in China, will ever lease"out their 350s to TK or any other airline?
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:02 pm

TK got the rights to fly to Xi'an, China 7 x weekly, says Emin Onen; Turkish ambassador to Beijing:
https://twitter.com/eminonen/status/1167045336294019076
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:10 pm

Hmm is there a market for TK in Xian?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:13 pm

I always ADMIRED TK for serving more countries than any other airline (and many unprofitable ones at that many other airlines won't touch, even the ME3). :)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation August 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:35 pm

Blerg wrote:
Hmm is there a market for TK in Xian?


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