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Re: Irish 8/19

Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:59 pm

Fliplot wrote:
Intriguing!
Changes to flight numbers get such attention, yet the fate of thousands of innocent passengers gets no mention
Then again i suppose aviation as a while as turned passengers into mere numbers!
Guests my ass!

You seem very angry. Please note that Ryanair do not use the term “guests”.
Ppl here do recognize the impact of industrial action. Strikes do raise posting levels.
But as it’s an enthusiast website ppl will focus on the technicalities rather than the more public perception issues. You are welcome of course to join the ranters on thejournal.ie, or the sun.co.uk. You may get more response to your posts there.

As an aside I wonder If “leftbank” means anything to you...............




As regards the A321LRs. Expected plan is that -LRB gets delivered within the next week and is deployed to Shannon. Once delivered the first B757 will be retired from EI/ASL service. (I’m not 100% on the ownership setup on the actual aircraft)
-LRC (MSN 8965) is due for delivery in mid/late September. Not 100% sure how this will impact operations, I think it will a direct replacement on DUB-PHL.
-LRD (St.Finbar MSN 9187) due for delivery late October to permit DUB-IAD to switch to A321LR from Oct 29th.
This info is based on a trawl of the website timetable/schedule 2 weeks ago.
That sets up a situation for Nov/Dec where we have 3 A321LRs in Dublin and 1 in Shannon.

Production lists online don’t currently show the MSNs for the next 4 Aer Lingus LRs.
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:04 pm

Not angry at all!
More amused actually.
What ever floats your boat.
Sorry that an aviation union strike is nor, in your opinuon, a topic for discussion on aireliners.net.
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:20 pm

Let's not feed the troll folks. Better to ignore
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:47 pm

Aer Lingus apologises over boarding pass download error

Aer Lingus has apologised as problems on its website and app left passengers unable to download or print their boarding passes.

While customers were able to check-in, an error message told them "all attempted boarding pass retrievals failed."

The airline said passengers will have to be issued with their pass at the airport, which left some people pointing out that such circumstances could lead to queues.

www.rte.ie/news/2019/0825/1070882-aer-lingus-apology/
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:03 am

It's approaching the time of year when the new route announcements begin for next year. Anyone care to make some predictions?

I wouldn't be surprised to see Norweigan return to transatlantic out of Dublin next summer, assuming the 737 max is back in service (and assuming the airline survives another year).

The increasing signs of an impending slowdown and possible recession approaching in the US and poor economic data in Europe will likely contribute to less new routes next year than in recent years. The ridiculous capacity problems in DUB may also have an impact, although I have heard the remote stands beside the control tower may be used for boarding some flights next year? Its a large area of parking that does'nt seem to be utilised fully despite being relatively newly built.
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:23 am

City of Derry airport London route to change destination

Flights to London from the City of Derry Airport will soon be heading to a new destination.
Loganair flights had been flying into Stansted Airport but they will now be bound for Southend from October 2019.
The public service obligation route is subsidised by the UK government and the Department for Transport reiterated its funding commitment until 2021.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-fo ... t-49459442
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:58 am

I doubt too many will be pleased with the shift to Southend for the Derry PSO service.
May not mean much for those going to London area only but if trying to go onward STN offers far more potential for connections.
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:27 pm

Anyone know why last night's EI124 (ORD-DUB) was cancelled?
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:11 pm

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Anyone know why last night's EI124 (ORD-DUB) was cancelled?

Tech issue with the aircraft in O'Hare.
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:15 pm

EI-EDY, the only A330 in the new livery, was out getting some air to air photography done this morning. It spent some time off the coast of Kerry with a chase aircraft before returning to Dublin for its transatlantic run.
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:13 pm

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EI-EDY, the only A330 in the new livery, was out getting some air to air photography done this morning. It spent some time off the coast of Kerry with a chase aircraft before returning to Dublin for its transatlantic run.


Great news! Hopefully they go up in the image library on the Aer Lingus site. Having decent air to air shots is really handy for when I blog about Aer Lingus.
I do enjoy a spot of flying, especially when it's not in economy!
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:08 pm

dstc47 wrote:
I doubt too many will be pleased with the shift to Southend for the Derry PSO service.
May not mean much for those going to London area only but if trying to go onward STN offers far more potential for connections.


True although beggars cant be choosers and I seem to remember reading that this is purely to connect two parts of the UK with business travellers mostly and then students / leisure. People are not connecting as London is the final stop. They pick up a bit of Donegal residents but not lots. For anyone going further afield they can hop on buses to BHD and connect Via a hub or equally bus across the border to DUB.
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:16 am

Will Rose Hynes keep Shannon Airport aloft for another year?

Most observers were not surprised that the Minster for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Shane Ross, extended Rose Hynes’s tenure as chairwoman of Shannon Group, the State company that owns the mid-western airport, for another year.

Hynes’s five-year tenure was due to expire on Wednesday August 28th, but Ross had been widely expected to extend her contract.

Along with the airport, Shannon Group is responsible for commercial property, the free zone and a heritage business that includes both Bunratty and Malahide castles in counties Clare and Dublin respectively.

Shannon Airport’s passenger numbers grew by one-third since it was separated from from DAA six years ago, to 1.86 million in 2018. This could be seen as justification for the decision to allow it to operate on its own rather than under the control of the State company that runs Dublin and Cork airports.

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... 2?mode=amp

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Incredibly rude’ Starbucks staff soak travellers at Dublin Airport
Passengers get more of a wake-up shot than they bargained for as staff throw coffee

irline travellers queuing for their morning coffee at a Starbucks at Dublin Airport on Monday appear to have got more of a wake-up shot than they bargained for when they found themselves drenched in coffee by the outlet’s staff.

Johanna O’Brien from Co Clare, who was travelling to Newcastle in England on business, took to Twitter to express her annoyance: “Just had an unbelievable experience in Dublin airport. Staff throwing coffee @ each other and soaked me before a flight. My clothes are ruined and not even an apology!” she tweeted.

www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food- ... 4?mode=amp



Irishwoman misses flight after four-hour bus journey from Limerick to Dublin Airport and driver gets lost

She had to fork out almost €500 for a new flight

A dozy bus driver who got lost in Dublin Airport cost a woman almost €500 after she missed her flight home.

Limerick native Sarah Neville was returning to her home in Toronto on Thursday morning after taking the Bus Eireann Expressway service at 5:20am.

The bus was due to arrive at Dublin Airport at 8:40am, leaving Sarah with plenty of time to catch her 10:15am flight to Montreal, Dublin Live reports.

www.irishmirror.ie/news/weird-news/woma ... t-19007253
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:43 am

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It's approaching the time of year when the new route announcements begin for next year. Anyone care to make some predictions?

SQ to SIN, using a 359, 3-4x weekly.

Cheers,

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:13 pm

Would be great to see a Singapore route.

Does anyone think Aer lingus might give the New York Stewart route a go if Norwegian does'nt return to it, say 3 weekly on A321LR?
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:22 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
EI321 wrote:
It's approaching the time of year when the new route announcements begin for next year. Anyone care to make some predictions?

SQ to SIN, using a 359, 3-4x weekly.

Cheers,

C.


I work for a ground handler at DUB and I've heard from one of the dispatchers that the length of the current runway an A350 couldn't make SIN. Apparently CX's A350 are at the threshold of limits getting to HKG. I say SIA will be one of the first new entrants once the new runway is built.

For 2020, I would say DTW with DL and DEN and PIT/CLE with EI (3/4 p/w on the A321LRs). Would love to see UA upguage their IAD or ORD routes! Both routes are operating a good few years now and are still operating on B757's!!

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On a separate note, I flew to MCO with American Airlines via CLT a few weeks back and I noticed all the check-in and boarding staff were wearing the AA uniform. I inquired the agent at the desk and he explained that American Airlines themselves now manage their own 'Front of House" operations.

I was quite surprised by this. Apart from EI and FR, AA must be the only other carrier to have their own check in staff operations at DUB? This must be rather costly given of all the US carriers that operate out of DUB AA's operations are the most seasonal. ORD and PHL only run from May-Oct and the new Dallas flight is only operating for 3 months. The agent said DFW has been busy but the last few weeks are quiet. I noticed its been operating a B787 vs the original B789 the last few days.

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:43 pm

Indeed DFW loads have been poor the last few weeks some days would just about fill a E195!

As for AA boarding staff I thought their contracts were with the actual handling partner but they wear AA uniforms.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:22 pm

OA260 wrote:
Indeed DFW loads have been poor the last few weeks some days would just about fill a E195!

As for AA boarding staff I thought their contracts were with the actual handling partner but they wear AA uniforms.


When I took AA DUB-ORD recently the same agent that checked me in and colleagues that were at other desks were processing boarding at the gate.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:59 pm

alancostello wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Indeed DFW loads have been poor the last few weeks some days would just about fill a E195!

As for AA boarding staff I thought their contracts were with the actual handling partner but they wear AA uniforms.


When I took AA DUB-ORD recently the same agent that checked me in and colleagues that were at other desks were processing boarding at the gate.


That was the same when I recently flew Aegean, Hainan and Ethiopian. Same staff at check in boarded the flight.
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:40 pm

No apparently all check-in/ boarding staff are employed by American Airlines. I noticed this earlier on in the year when I travelled DUB-PHL and I dug abit deeper as I was pretty amazed by it.

"GM for American at Dublin Airport, said the customer-facing staff at the airport are now all in-house, which she believes is better for customer experience. “We have gone from nine to 55 staff,” she said of the airline’s growth." Source: http://www.travelextra.ie/american-airl ... er-lingus/

The CX check in staff also wear the uniform but they are employed by Swissport. I asked the agent checking me in about it a few weeks ago and apparently its the choice of the airline whether they use the airline uniform or not. Similarly BA staff wear the uniform but they are employed by Menzies.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:18 pm

OA260 wrote:
Indeed DFW loads have been poor the last few weeks some days would just about fill a E195!

As for AA boarding staff I thought their contracts were with the actual handling partner but they wear AA uniforms.


I suspect we’ll see a timetable change next year - now that Norwegian will be vacating two gates on Pier 4. The very late departure from DFW can’t be helping, but it wasn’t AA’s preferred timing.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:34 pm

EI321 wrote:
Would be great to see a Singapore route.

Does anyone think Aer lingus might give the New York Stewart route a go if Norwegian does'nt return to it, say 3 weekly on A321LR?

Highly doubt. EI will probably increase frequency on JFK or EWR. Currently they got 3 flights serving NYC, they may add 2 daily A321LR services to make it a shuttle-like service.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:29 am

ac895 wrote:
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I was quite surprised by this. Apart from EI and FR, AA must be the only other carrier to have their own check in staff operations at DUB? This must be rather costly given of all the US carriers that operate out of DUB AA's operations are the most seasonal. ORD and PHL only run from May-Oct and the new Dallas flight is only operating for 3 months. The agent said DFW has been busy but the last few weeks are quiet. I noticed its been operating a B787 vs the original B789 the last few days.
ac895

AA PHL-DUB is not seasonal.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:29 am

EI AI announce x3 weekly TLV starting next May with B737. Long overdue scheduled route.

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-a ... 1001298667
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:45 am

Jim Gavin explains how he draws on day job as Dublin boss

The 48-year-old holds down an important job in terms of airline safety

Three days after Dublin's tour de force against Mayo in the All-Ireland semi-final, Jim Gavin hopped on the red-eye to Brussels to begin his day's work.

An Irish Aviation Authority regulator, the 48-year-old holds down an important job in terms of airline safety.

www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaelic-foo ... s-19016995

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Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:45 am

shamrock604 wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Indeed DFW loads have been poor the last few weeks some days would just about fill a E195!

As for AA boarding staff I thought their contracts were with the actual handling partner but they wear AA uniforms.


I suspect we’ll see a timetable change next year - now that Norwegian will be vacating two gates on Pier 4. The very late departure from DFW can’t be helping, but it wasn’t AA’s preferred timing.


Planned schedule was in 11.40 and out 13.45. That was before they replaced it with ORD change. EI may well take times around those DY services.

Switching ORD back to 10.30 is more likely for AA I think. The 13.45 departure makes great sense from JV view.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:33 am

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I doubt too many will be pleased with the shift to Southend for the Derry PSO service.
May not mean much for those going to London area only but if trying to go onward STN offers far more potential for connections.


IMHO it makes no difference at all. The traffic on this route is purely business/VFR, I'm pretty sure very few folks would even consider a connection on a separate ticket with another carrier via STN (apart from the uninitiated perhaps). In fact, it may very well be beneficial given that from "plane to train" at SEN takes about 10 minutes and with a direct train service to Liverpool Street taking about 45 minutes it's rather appealing actually.
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:08 am

El Al is a significant add, I wonder what the schedule will be like ... possibly could have been a good route for EI with the A321LR.

Can the same crew do a return to TLV from Dublin or would a nightstop be required?
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:31 am

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El Al is a significant add

Indeed - and I wonder what the connection possibilities will be too.

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Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:38 pm

El Al tend to struggle to properly market connections in Tel Aviv. Somewhat due to the high level of security regulations there, it doesn't allow for efficient connection times.
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:48 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
El Al is a significant add

Indeed - and I wonder what the connection possibilities will be too.

Cheers,

C.


TLV was best operated by LY as opposed to EI. It will cater for Israeli tourists and Irish pilgrims. Last year the manager for UK/Ireland said at the holiday show that DUB was a priority for them. This will be purely point to point and also working with the likes of Joe Walsh Tours for Holyland tours. As mentioned connections are a pain and you need 4 hours ideally to allow for the extra security procedures. I have been a few times its a great city and it will certainly be on my list for 2020 again.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:54 pm

I wonder if this will impact negatively on the Arkia service?

Good luck to them - mazel tov!
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:17 pm

Delighted to see El Al finally arrive in Dublin.

I used to wonder if their enhanced security requirements (each passenger is interviewed at check in) was a factor in them not flying to Dublin. Tel Aviv is probably the longest short haul route from Dublin at over 5 hours? Tel Aviv has the largest tech sector in the middle east which will hopefully bring some more business opportunities between the two cities.

Should bring some nice connection traffic via Aer Lingus' now large US network and Star alliance connections with Delta.
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:29 pm

Quick question: Does EI-GEY still have the old QR business class, or was it refitted with the standard EI J seat?
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:44 pm

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Quick question: Does EI-GEY still have the old QR business class, or was it refitted with the standard EI J seat?


Still with the QR seat, I believe the plan is to have it refitted in November but this may have changed. Supplier shortages was the reason for the delay.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:09 pm

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El Al tend to struggle to properly market connections in Tel Aviv. Somewhat due to the high level of security regulations there, it doesn't allow for efficient connection times.



El Al are selling lots of connection tickets now from London especially in the premium cabin . I think the problem is more the extended detours around mid east countries but El Al has definitely entered the passenger transfer markets these days . ESP to India and Thailand ...
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:39 pm

EI321 wrote:

Should bring some nice connection traffic via Aer Lingus' now large US network and Star alliance connections with Delta.


I can't see El Al bringing all that much to the connections party at DUB. Their product isn't all that great, other than recliners in Business, their reputation is certainly nothing to write home about. I think they will do well, but I really cannot see who would go to the trouble of a split EI/LY flight transferring in Dublin Vs an on-line BA/STAR/SkyTeam connection at any number of EU hubs, with a shorter connecting time? At 3 times a week these flights have their market, but I really don't think its connections.

EL AL is a good add for Dublin though. The ramp is really interesting these days, we've come a long way from the almost duopoly EI/FR of ~2010.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:26 pm

EI321 wrote:
Delighted to see El Al finally arrive in Dublin.

I used to wonder if their enhanced security requirements (each passenger is interviewed at check in) was a factor in them not flying to Dublin. Tel Aviv is probably the longest short haul route from Dublin at over 5 hours? Tel Aviv has the largest tech sector in the middle east which will hopefully bring some more business opportunities between the two cities.

Should bring some nice connection traffic via Aer Lingus' now large US network and Star alliance connections with Delta.


They will no doubt have extra measures in place. This could be security staff and questions before you are allowed to proceed to the check in desks. Random security searches and last minute checks at the boarding gate. Also handling agent staff on the EL AL check in team could have extra background security searches. Just some of the things to expect. While on the ground the aircraft will need to secure also. Maybe police escort to the runway and patrols driving around the spotting areas of the airport also when it lands/takes off.

Doubt there will be any significant amount of transfer traffic as there are many more attractive and cheaper options from TLV Via more established and bigger hubs. IST is just one that picks up a large amount of TLV-IST-XXX traffic. EL AL also despite selling connections from the UK market its not really anything significant. The security grilling at TLV puts a lot of people off and then again you have issues with stamps in passports from Middle East nations which will get more grilling then usual. I know I have been through it ! Its easier to transit through BEY or THR.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:40 pm

I was wondering the other day how come such an important route (DUB-TLV) was not operated all these years by any major carrier like El Al, EI or even how come FR didn't try it, seen as it has so far expanded significantly into the israeli market..I really hope it goes well and they eventually upgrade it to a WB
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:55 pm

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I was wondering the other day how come such an important route (DUB-TLV) was not operated all these years by any major carrier like El Al, EI or even how come FR didn't try it, seen as it has so far expanded significantly into the israeli market..I really hope it goes well and they eventually upgrade it to a WB


To be honest its very much down to demand. The tours to the Holy land dry up whenever there is any trouble in Israel/Gaza and of course many Irish come down on the side of the Palestinians so mass numbers of Irish tourists have avoided/boycotted. Recently it has calmed down a bit and this eases attitudes. Long may it last. I do still think it will be 65-70% inbound Israeli tourists though. It will be interesting to see how TK resonds to this as TLV is one of their best sellers out of the Irish market DUB-IST-TLV.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:23 pm

But Isreal and particularly TLV has a fierce marketing campaign all over Europe where it's sold as a warm Med escape beach/city-break/party/historical destination, year-round, that has little to do with the Holy Land tours...I've been seeing Tel Aviv promotion campaigns,reading travel mags in UK,Spain,Italy,France,Germany,Holland etc..it's all over the place..That's why i thought it weird the TLV tourism craze never caught on with the Irish..(as it never did so much with the Greeks)..
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:49 pm

ac895 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
EI321 wrote:
It's approaching the time of year when the new route announcements begin for next year. Anyone care to make some predictions?

SQ to SIN, using a 359, 3-4x weekly.

Cheers,

C.


I work for a ground handler at DUB and I've heard from one of the dispatchers that the length of the current runway an A350 couldn't make SIN. Apparently CX's A350 are at the threshold of limits getting to HKG. I say SIA will be one of the first new entrants once the new runway is built.


ac895


According to Zeke, an A350 pilot who posts in these forums, the A359 can get out of DUB on 10/28 at MTOW if TOGA is used.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:21 pm

HTCone wrote:
.....According to Zeke, an A350 pilot who posts in these forums, the A359 can get out of DUB on 10/28 at MTOW if TOGA is used.

Nice nugget of info.
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:24 pm

[twoid][/twoid]
Eagleboy wrote:
HTCone wrote:
.....According to Zeke, an A350 pilot who posts in these forums, the A359 can get out of DUB on 10/28 at MTOW if TOGA is used.

Nice nugget of info.



And thats gonna happen...!!!!!
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:33 pm

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Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:12 am

TUGMASTER wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
Eagleboy wrote:
HTCone wrote:
.....According to Zeke, an A350 pilot who posts in these forums, the A359 can get out of DUB on 10/28 at MTOW if TOGA is used.

Nice nugget of info.



And thats gonna happen...!!!!!


What, TOGA? Take Off Go Around....ie full power, ie not a flex/derated takeoff. EI A330s use it for DUB all the time...

Edit: I should add Zeke said A359 can get off a wet 10/28 at MTOW, so even better.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:01 am

A350-900 MTOW take off distance at sea level is 2600 metres / 8500 ft. Dublin's runway is 8650 ft.

Perhaps it would cause issues if the crossword runway is being used (about 10 days a year?).
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:39 am

OA260 wrote:
EI321 wrote:
Delighted to see El Al finally arrive in Dublin.

I used to wonder if their enhanced security requirements (each passenger is interviewed at check in) was a factor in them not flying to Dublin. Tel Aviv is probably the longest short haul route from Dublin at over 5 hours? Tel Aviv has the largest tech sector in the middle east which will hopefully bring some more business opportunities between the two cities.

Should bring some nice connection traffic via Aer Lingus' now large US network and Star alliance connections with Delta.


They will no doubt have extra measures in place. This could be security staff and questions before you are allowed to proceed to the check in desks. Random security searches and last minute checks at the boarding gate. Also handling agent staff on the EL AL check in team could have extra background security searches. Just some of the things to expect. While on the ground the aircraft will need to secure also. Maybe police escort to the runway and patrols driving around the spotting areas of the airport also when it lands/takes off.

Doubt there will be any significant amount of transfer traffic as there are many more attractive and cheaper options from TLV Via more established and bigger hubs. IST is just one that picks up a large amount of TLV-IST-XXX traffic. EL AL also despite selling connections from the UK market its not really anything significant. The security grilling at TLV puts a lot of people off and then again you have issues with stamps in passports from Middle East nations which will get more grilling then usual. I know I have been through it ! Its easier to transit through BEY or THR.


Surely there will be transfer opportunities going the other direction across the Atlantic. Particularly to cities that are not what available as a non stop option from tel Aviv .
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:42 am

Clydenairways wrote:
Surely there will be transfer opportunities going the other direction across the Atlantic. Particularly to cities that are not what available as a non stop option from tel Aviv .


Other than BDL I don't think there is a city which is not served from a major EU hub one-stop from TLV. Simply put, there are better options with shorter connection times than an offline connection with EI/LY. Some may do it, but it will be small numbers, if LY even file fares via DUB. OTAs may stitch fares together, but the yield is likely to be rubbish. Nether EI nor LY want to fill their aircraft with low fares on such a long route ex TLV.

I think this route will stand on O&D, especially at the relatively low frequency of 3x week. As others have said TLV has a massive marketing campaign and is a popular destination at the moment. There is a lot to see and do in the area, socially and culturally. the effect on other airlines, like TK, will be interesting. If the O&D is mainly from the Israeli end I don't think TK will take much of a hit. If the market were waiting for EL AL to launch the flight, would they have flown with TK anyway?
 
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Re: Irish 8/19

Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:08 am

Clydenairways wrote:
OA260 wrote:
EI321 wrote:
Delighted to see El Al finally arrive in Dublin.

I used to wonder if their enhanced security requirements (each passenger is interviewed at check in) was a factor in them not flying to Dublin. Tel Aviv is probably the longest short haul route from Dublin at over 5 hours? Tel Aviv has the largest tech sector in the middle east which will hopefully bring some more business opportunities between the two cities.

Should bring some nice connection traffic via Aer Lingus' now large US network and Star alliance connections with Delta.


They will no doubt have extra measures in place. This could be security staff and questions before you are allowed to proceed to the check in desks. Random security searches and last minute checks at the boarding gate. Also handling agent staff on the EL AL check in team could have extra background security searches. Just some of the things to expect. While on the ground the aircraft will need to secure also. Maybe police escort to the runway and patrols driving around the spotting areas of the airport also when it lands/takes off.

Doubt there will be any significant amount of transfer traffic as there are many more attractive and cheaper options from TLV Via more established and bigger hubs. IST is just one that picks up a large amount of TLV-IST-XXX traffic. EL AL also despite selling connections from the UK market its not really anything significant. The security grilling at TLV puts a lot of people off and then again you have issues with stamps in passports from Middle East nations which will get more grilling then usual. I know I have been through it ! Its easier to transit through BEY or THR.


Surely there will be transfer opportunities going the other direction across the Atlantic. Particularly to cities that are not what available as a non stop option from tel Aviv .


What destinations did you have in mind that are not already easily offered by hubs such as AMS CDG FRA . The only thing attractive about DUB is pre clearance and thats if you track down a fare that is both economical and allows through checked bags. Otherwise the time wasted self connecting outweighs any pre clearance .

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