DL is extremely weak in Asia compared to AA and UA.
How many cities does DL serve in asia compared to AA and UA??
It's pretty funny that you start with a definitive (and wrong) statement comparing DL to AA in Asia, and follow it by admitting you don't know how many destinations DL serves in Asia.
After cutting SIN and pulling out of NRT, DL will still serve 7 destinations in East Asia on their own metal from 7 different U.S. gateways. 18 daily departures from the mainland plus 3 from Hawai'i in peak summer, plus the forthcoming ICN-MNL. DL also serves TLV, and soon BOM, in Asia (from an 8th gateway).
AA serves 6 destinations on their own metal (and that's considering NRT and HND as two separate destinations) from 3 U.S. gateways. 11 daily departures in peak summer from LAX + DFW and 3 weekly from ORD. AA serves 0 destinations in the Middle East and South Asia.
At least you were correct about UA being bigger than both.
When people say Asia, they typically think of TPAC, which doesn't include India and definitely not TLV.
Yep. You'll notice I included those destinations as more of an addendum or an aside to the primary discussion, because they are, in fact, still part of Asia. In answering the posed question "how many cities does DL serve in Asia?", I was not wrong to include them.
For any ff, it's not just about their own metal but also the alliance partners and JVs.
Hold on; when did the question become about FFs, or about alliance partners? The poster I was responding to clearly asked how many destinations each airline serves on their own metal, which is what my entire post was responding to.
Also I don't count MNL since it has to go through ICN, which is equivalent to JV through NRT or HND.
Now we're getting into arbitrary exclusions to better prove a point you wanted to make, which is separate from the question I was responding to.
Even though both airlines don't serve Singapore directly, AA service to SIN is a lot more convenient due to the great schedule to HKG from large US cities and CX's shuttle from HKG to SIN. Aside from direct flight to SIN, going through HKG always offers the best schedule.
It also matters that DL is far and away the weakest airline to Tokyo, which is far and away the most important market to Asia. Sure, if your destination is Shanghai or Seoul, it's a little better on DL/ST vs UA/*A and a lot better than on AA/OW. But to Tokyo, HK, Singapore, Beijing, Bangkok, KL, MNL or Taipei, there is pretty large gap.
A lot of this is just geography. CX just happens to be in OW and really well located for connections to ASEAN countries. YYZ/YVR just happens to have service to most of America and have great service to TPAC region. Seoul just happens to be a little further away from airports not in Japan and China, so the frequency of continuation flights to places like Taipei, KL, Bangkok, Jakarta, manila, singapore are just not good. You can look this up. If I'm going from NYC to BKK, I have 3 possible arrival time with KE and at least 8 with CX. And I have 4 possible departure times with CX out of JFK/EWR and only 2 with KE out of JFK. So you can see why schedule works so much better to Asia with OW even though AA doesn't fly to any of these places directly. You can put in NYC/LAX/SFO to any of these cities and you will see how many more options you get on CX vs KE.
As noted above, you're arguing a completely different point than I was... I was responding to a poster who didn't seem to realize that DL actually is still a lot bigger in Asia than AA is on their own merit. If you want to post some numbers that show AA has more ASMs, passengers, revenue, etc. between the U.S. and East Asia than DL does, be my guest. That, to me, would be an indicator that DL is relatively weaker in Asia than AA. Not how many connection options you have between NYC and BKK or SIN on OneWorld vs SkyTeam.
If we want to jump into the alliance discussion, I'd say that if the cities you define as the most important really make AA stronger in Asia than DL, I'd expect to see AA beating DL in passengers carried, revenue, or some related statistic. I'm not sure if there's any public data on this, but if DL+KE carry as many passengers and/or make as much revenue flying people to/through TYO, ICN, PVG, etc. as AA+JL make flying people to/through TYO, HKG, SIN, etc., then it seems unfair to say that DL is the weaker player. Just my two cents. If DL's weaker than AA in Asia, I'd expect the statistics to bear that out.
Also, note that Star Alliance is not part of the discussion I was having - they are clearly the leader in the U.S.-Asia market.
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