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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:56 pm

mikeyp224 wrote:
Steelers flights on AA this year (all AA9443)...

9/21 - SFO (B763)
10/12 - LAX (B763)

Not confirmed yet, but my guess is 12/7 to PHX will also be a B763.

Are they splitting between LL and AA this year, or are they reverting back to only AA?
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:55 am

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An A321? For the Cowboys? I get that SBA isn't exactly going to be confused with LAX, but c'mon, man...

(And, yes, I get that it's probably impossible to get anything larger than a 737/320 into SBA, but, ouch.)
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:59 am

Runway28L wrote:
mikeyp224 wrote:
Steelers flights on AA this year (all AA9443)...

9/21 - SFO (B763)
10/12 - LAX (B763)

Not confirmed yet, but my guess is 12/7 to PHX will also be a B763.

Are they splitting between LL and AA this year, or are they reverting back to only AA?


They're probably going to use AA for trans-con flights but stick with LL for all other flights (BWI, CVG, PVD, EWR) and bus to Cleveland (as they have done for the past few seasons, as I recall). And I'm not shocked that AA is sticking the Steelers with a 763; I'd be that team from the other side of Pennsylvania is probably getting a 777 or 787.

All things being equal, I'd prefer the Steelers be on DL or UA for their transcon flights after the way AA basically dumped the Steelers a few years ago...
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:02 am

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Any thoughts on the best suited aircraft for an NFL team? B767's? A330's? Dare I say B787's? Most teams use B757/A321's during the season. Some elect to have a larger plane during the preseason (more players). The B744 seems to be an overkill to me, with exception of maybe coast to coast flights, which most teams elect to have a larger aircraft for the extra room.


Most of UA's NFL charters have been 757s or 767s, from what I've seen. The ship of choice for DL NFL charters seems to be the 330, though you'll see some 767s depending on which base the DL charters are flying out of.

Overall, I'd say that the 787 would be the ideal fit for an NFL team, all things being equal. It doesn't seem to be the overkill of a 777 and it doesn't feel as confining as a single 737/321, IMHO.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:17 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
redwingspilot wrote:


An A321? For the Cowboys? I get that SBA isn't exactly going to be confused with LAX, but c'mon, man...

(And, yes, I get that it's probably impossible to get anything larger than a 737/320 into SBA, but, ouch.)


It's a short flight so probably not a big deal.
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Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:59 pm

There isn't an issue with 757/767 (or larger) getting into SBA.
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:10 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
redwingspilot wrote:


An A321? For the Cowboys? I get that SBA isn't exactly going to be confused with LAX, but c'mon, man...

(And, yes, I get that it's probably impossible to get anything larger than a 737/320 into SBA, but, ouch.)


They chose it, but also really mixed it up this year. Normally the fly into NTD (Point Magu Naval Air Station), but chose to go to LAX instead. Then the whole flying out of SBA I'm sure they saw it cheaper to truck their equipment up to SJC and use the convenience of flying out of SBA.
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:24 pm

The Buffalo Bills are heading down now to Greenville-Spartanburg (GSP) in case anyone is in the neighborhood and wants to see a United 767-424(ER). The plane is operating as flight UA2532 and scheduled to arrive at 12:41pm. The Carolina Panthers are hosting the Bills this week for joint practices and a preseason game Friday.
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:35 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
rexchase12 wrote:
Any thoughts on the best suited aircraft for an NFL team? B767's? A330's? Dare I say B787's? Most teams use B757/A321's during the season. Some elect to have a larger plane during the preseason (more players). The B744 seems to be an overkill to me, with exception of maybe coast to coast flights, which most teams elect to have a larger aircraft for the extra room.


Most of UA's NFL charters have been 757s or 767s, from what I've seen. The ship of choice for DL NFL charters seems to be the 330, though you'll see some 767s depending on which base the DL charters are flying out of.

Overall, I'd say that the 787 would be the ideal fit for an NFL team, all things being equal. It doesn't seem to be the overkill of a 777 and it doesn't feel as confining as a single 737/321, IMHO.


The 753 is ideal for NFL teams, although they all want widebodies...availability is the issue at the end of the day.

And a 787 is way too expensive from a cost standpoint.
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:40 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
mikeyp224 wrote:
Steelers flights on AA this year (all AA9443)...

9/21 - SFO (B763)
10/12 - LAX (B763)

Not confirmed yet, but my guess is 12/7 to PHX will also be a B763.

Are they splitting between LL and AA this year, or are they reverting back to only AA?


They're probably going to use AA for trans-con flights but stick with LL for all other flights (BWI, CVG, PVD, EWR) and bus to Cleveland (as they have done for the past few seasons, as I recall). And I'm not shocked that AA is sticking the Steelers with a 763; I'd be that team from the other side of Pennsylvania is probably getting a 777 or 787.

All things being equal, I'd prefer the Steelers be on DL or UA for their transcon flights after the way AA basically dumped the Steelers a few years ago...


The Eagles are on an A332 again this year, but still an upgrade over the B763 for sure.
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:05 pm

Why don't all teams get their own plane

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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:28 pm

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Why don't all teams get their own plane



1) Cost: NFL teams only need 10 round trips for sure (two pre-season, 8 regular season), and maybe up to 4 playoff round trips. That's 28 flying days. You'd have to charter it out to others to make it worth it.
2) Reliability: If you buy one plane, and it's down for a maintenance issue, you'd need to find a last minute charter or own a second plane as a backup. Now you own two planes for 28 days of flying.

Still cheaper to charter with someone else.
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:46 pm

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727LOVER wrote:
Why don't all teams get their own plane



1) Cost: NFL teams only need 10 round trips for sure (two pre-season, 8 regular season), and maybe up to 4 playoff round trips. That's 28 flying days. You'd have to charter it out to others to make it worth it.
2) Reliability: If you buy one plane, and it's down for a maintenance issue, you'd need to find a last minute charter or own a second plane as a backup. Now you own two planes for 28 days of flying.

Still cheaper to charter with someone else.


Well....why do the Pats do it?

Also, that 2nd plane////could have sworn they had 2 planes
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:04 pm

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zuckie13 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
Why don't all teams get their own plane



1) Cost: NFL teams only need 10 round trips for sure (two pre-season, 8 regular season), and maybe up to 4 playoff round trips. That's 28 flying days. You'd have to charter it out to others to make it worth it.
2) Reliability: If you buy one plane, and it's down for a maintenance issue, you'd need to find a last minute charter or own a second plane as a backup. Now you own two planes for 28 days of flying.

Still cheaper to charter with someone else.


Well....why do the Pats do it?

Also, that 2nd plane////could have sworn they had 2 planes


Same answer you can have for when any rich person does something. Because they can, not because it necessarily is the cheapest or smartest option.
I think they did/do own two 767s - N36NE and N225NE. No clue if both are still active or not.

If it was clearly the best option, there would be more teams already doing it. Very few sports teams do it. MLB teams fly many more times thatn NFL teams, same for NBA and NHL teams. Only a few have their own plane, and those teams don't even need a wide body. I think the Miami Heat have one, and a couple Detroit teams have shared on (Red Wings, Tigers) but its very rare.
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:02 pm

zuckie13 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
Why don't all teams get their own plane



1) Cost: NFL teams only need 10 round trips for sure (two pre-season, 8 regular season), and maybe up to 4 playoff round trips. That's 28 flying days. You'd have to charter it out to others to make it worth it.
2) Reliability: If you buy one plane, and it's down for a maintenance issue, you'd need to find a last minute charter or own a second plane as a backup. Now you own two planes for 28 days of flying.

Still cheaper to charter with someone else.


Bills owner also owns Sabres hockey team which needs to travel a lot more. They can keep a plane flying for 41 away games for hockey and 10 for football. That makes Bills an ideal team to own a plane.
They can even use to go to Toronto 'home games' if they become a thing again :duck:
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:16 pm

zuckie13 wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
Well....why do the Pats do it?

Also, that 2nd plane////could have sworn they had 2 planes


Same answer you can have for when any rich person does something. Because they can, not because it necessarily is the cheapest or smartest option.
I think they did/do own two 767s - N36NE and N225NE. No clue if both are still active or not.

If it was clearly the best option, there would be more teams already doing it. Very few sports teams do it. MLB teams fly many more times thatn NFL teams, same for NBA and NHL teams. Only a few have their own plane, and those teams don't even need a wide body. I think the Miami Heat have one, and a couple Detroit teams have shared on (Red Wings, Tigers) but its very rare.


The Miami Heat actually charter with Miami Air (LL), or at least they did last season. Also, as has been noted on the forums (it may have been in this thread as well, but I'm not sure), the Red Wings and Tigers are both owned by the Ilytch family of Little Caesar's fame. The Dallas Mavericks charter on a 757 or 767 owned by Mark Cuban's aviation company (which also did/does charters for the Texas Rangers and Dallas Stars).
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:48 pm

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I’m assuming the Seattle Seahawks are with DL this year again?


Hawaiian Airlines will be flying the Seahawks again this year. Look for an HA A330 in MSP on 8/17 as the Seahawks will play the Vikings in Minneapolis.


Do we have an idea on flight numbers?
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:46 am

8/17/19 HA 0740 SEA-MSP
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:19 am

The 49ers will be on a UA 772 this year (in the domestic configuration).

Here's their flight to Denver today: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2540
A318/19/20/21/21N A332/3 A343/5 A388 B712 B722 B732/3/4/7/8/9/9ER B744/4M B752/3 B762ER/3/3ER/4ER B77E/L/W B788 CRJ2/7/9 Q400 EMB-120 ERJ-135/140/145/145XR/175 DC-10-10 MD-82/83/88/90

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Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:21 pm

"Same answer you can have for when any rich person does something. Because they can, not because it necessarily is the cheapest or smartest option.
I think they did/do own two 767s - N36NE and N225NE. No clue if both are still active or not."

They still have 2. N36NE is used most often, I've only seen N225NE used when making a trip to the Super Bowl. It's painted the same as N36NE but without the team name or tail logo. Kraft also owns the New England Revolution soccer team which uses the N36NE to travel to away games.
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Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:33 pm

The Steelers ended up using Delta for their trip to Nashville this weekend. Flew on an A321 down and appear to be taking a B752 back up.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/DL8869
 
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Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:15 am

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Are the Cardinals back with Atlas this year? It is awesome to see the 747 pull into Sky Harbor.


Yes, for the 3rd year in a row. 8106/8107 were the flight numbers for the trip to/from MSP.
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:28 am

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The 49ers will be on a UA 772 this year (in the domestic configuration).

Here's their flight to Denver today: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2540


They actually have a mix of aircraft this season depending upon destination/distance.

Week 1 @ TAMPA BAY, 777-200 SJC-CVG
Week 2 @ CINCINNATI via YNG from TPA, 757-300 TPA-YNG-CVG, 777-200 CVG-SJC
Week 6 @ LA RAMS, 757-300 SJC-LAX-SJC
Week 7 @ WASHINGTON, 777-200 SJC-IAD BWI-SJC
Week 9 @ ARIZONA, 777-200 SJC-PHX-SJC
Week 13 @ BALTIMORE, 767-400 SJC-BWI-SJC
Week 14 @ NEW ORLEANS, 777-200 SJC-MSY-SJC
Week 17 @ SEATTLE, 777-200 SJC-SEA-SJC
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:34 am

jumpseat67 wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
The 49ers will be on a UA 772 this year (in the domestic configuration).

Here's their flight to Denver today: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2540


They actually have a mix of aircraft this season depending upon destination/distance.

Week 1 @ TAMPA BAY, 777-200 SJC-CVG
Week 2 @ CINCINNATI via YNG from TPA, 757-300 TPA-YNG-CVG, 777-200 CVG-SJC
Week 6 @ LA RAMS, 757-300 SJC-LAX-SJC
Week 7 @ WASHINGTON, 777-200 SJC-IAD BWI-SJC
Week 9 @ ARIZONA, 777-200 SJC-PHX-SJC
Week 13 @ BALTIMORE, 767-400 SJC-BWI-SJC
Week 14 @ NEW ORLEANS, 777-200 SJC-MSY-SJC
Week 17 @ SEATTLE, 777-200 SJC-SEA-SJC


Any idea why it is stopping in YNG first?
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:25 am

WALmsp wrote:
jumpseat67 wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
The 49ers will be on a UA 772 this year (in the domestic configuration).

Here's their flight to Denver today: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2540


They actually have a mix of aircraft this season depending upon destination/distance.

Week 1 @ TAMPA BAY, 777-200 SJC-CVG
Week 2 @ CINCINNATI via YNG from TPA, 757-300 TPA-YNG-CVG, 777-200 CVG-SJC
Week 6 @ LA RAMS, 757-300 SJC-LAX-SJC
Week 7 @ WASHINGTON, 777-200 SJC-IAD BWI-SJC
Week 9 @ ARIZONA, 777-200 SJC-PHX-SJC
Week 13 @ BALTIMORE, 767-400 SJC-BWI-SJC
Week 14 @ NEW ORLEANS, 777-200 SJC-MSY-SJC
Week 17 @ SEATTLE, 777-200 SJC-SEA-SJC


Any idea why it is stopping in YNG first?


Unknown...sked to be in YNG for the week, cannot find any info on it.
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:27 am

jumpseat67 wrote:
WALmsp wrote:
jumpseat67 wrote:

They actually have a mix of aircraft this season depending upon destination/distance.

Week 1 @ TAMPA BAY, 777-200 SJC-CVG
Week 2 @ CINCINNATI via YNG from TPA, 757-300 TPA-YNG-CVG, 777-200 CVG-SJC
Week 6 @ LA RAMS, 757-300 SJC-LAX-SJC
Week 7 @ WASHINGTON, 777-200 SJC-IAD BWI-SJC
Week 9 @ ARIZONA, 777-200 SJC-PHX-SJC
Week 13 @ BALTIMORE, 767-400 SJC-BWI-SJC
Week 14 @ NEW ORLEANS, 777-200 SJC-MSY-SJC
Week 17 @ SEATTLE, 777-200 SJC-SEA-SJC


Any idea why it is stopping in YNG first?


Unknown...sked to be in YNG for the week, cannot find any info on it.


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Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:27 am

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The Steelers ended up using Delta for their trip to Nashville this weekend. Flew on an A321 down and appear to be taking a B752 back up.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/DL8869


And, apparently, they'll be using a 752 for their PIT-CLT flight for Thursday's preseason finale against Carolina. The plane in question, N6704Z will be coming off a busy day today with ATL-TPA-ATL followed by ATL-FLL-ATL before an ATL-UIO-ATL round trip (the UIO-ATL is a red eye) before doing ATL-JFK as DL2350 before the reposition flight to PIT. (And you thought WN had intense plane usage...)

I have to say that I find that odd that they're using DL for some of their shorter charters, but using AA for their transcon flights to PHX, SJC and LAX as mentioned upthread.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:31 am

jumpseat67 wrote:
jumpseat67 wrote:
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Any idea why it is stopping in YNG first?


Unknown...sked to be in YNG for the week, cannot find any info on it.


...and Google is our friend.
http://www.wfmj.com/story/40942016/49er ... nfl-season


Not too surprising considering that a lot of West Coast NFL teams will stay on the East Coast for the week when they have back to back games in the Eastern time zone (and vice versa). I didn't realize the connection between the Niners' ownership and Youngstown until I read this.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:00 am

Minnesota Vikings to Buffalo on DL A321, DL8868:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KMSP/KBUF

Miami Dolphins to New Orleans on 5Y B744, 5Y8386 FLL-MSY (the plane looks to be based out of MIA):
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI ... /KFLL/KMSY

Oakland Raiders to Seattle on HA A332, HA712:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL ... /KOAK/KSEA
(Looks like Raiders charters start at HA710 and go incrementally from there as the season progresses)
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:27 pm

Might be a dumb question, but why charter a B744 if you can fit on a 321?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:38 pm

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Might be a dumb question, but why charter a B744 if you can fit on a 321?


Probably because some NFL teams want to fly on widebody jets instead of the 321. Considering some teams seem to be doing fine flying a 752 or 321 during preseason, I'd suspect that changes once the regular season starts and you'll see more 767/777/A330 flights (mainly due to the CBA between the player's union and the NFL).
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:59 pm

I know it's a little ways out still, but does anyone have an idea of what day or schedule the Seahawks will fly SEA-PIT for their game against the Steelers in two weeks? Currently trying to make arrangements for the HA A332 they will be chartering in on.
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:13 pm

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Might be a dumb question, but why charter a B744 if you can fit on a 321?


Beyond the staggering amount of equipment, I believe there is a clause in the CBA that flights over a certain length get widebody aircraft. Teams will often truck equipment to regional games, thereby enabling use of smaller aircraft. Preseason is a nightmare for their operations teams.

As for why a 744 v 733 v 764 and the like, I am sure it is a matter of availability and cost. Unless it's the international games in London when the NFL supplies the charters, typically Virgin Atlantic.
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:41 am

Steelers seem to have officially switched from Miami Air to Delta. They will be on DL8869 once again for their game against New England.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/DL8869

Considering the Dolphins are also on a new carrier this season, it makes me wonder if that runway overrun at NAS Jacksonville earlier this year damaged Miami Air’s rep with many teams.
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:54 pm

It seems that the Green Bay Packers are chartering two Delta aircraft...

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KGRB/KMDW
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KGRB/KMDW

I am guessing a B757-200 is too small to hold big players and equipment?

-Dan
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:45 pm

Has anyone seen what the Lions have chartered to play the Cardinals?

I have only seen one charter from Detroit to Phoenix this week but I doubt the Lions chartered Allegiant

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KDTW/KPHX
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:01 am

SierraPacific wrote:
Has anyone seen what the Lions have chartered to play the Cardinals?

I have only seen one charter from Detroit to Phoenix this week but I doubt the Lions chartered Allegiant

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KDTW/KPHX

The Lions arrived in PHX on Friday on a DL 757..https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KDTW/KPHX
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:24 am

mbm3 wrote:
CanadianRedneck wrote:
Might be a dumb question, but why charter a B744 if you can fit on a 321?


Beyond the staggering amount of equipment, I believe there is a clause in the CBA that flights over a certain length get widebody aircraft. Teams will often truck equipment to regional games, thereby enabling use of smaller aircraft. Preseason is a nightmare for their operations teams.

As for why a 744 v 733 v 764 and the like, I am sure it is a matter of availability and cost. Unless it's the international games in London when the NFL supplies the charters, typically Virgin Atlantic.


There is no clause in the CBA about team travel to away games. https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/20 ... 1-2020.pdf

For example, the Cardinals when they flew America West and Delta it was was a 757 in the regular season. The one year with AA was 757's and a occasional 763. After that one season AA dropped them. Three season ago the Cardinals and Jags became the first teams to fly Atlas. The majority of the flights for Arizona was on the 744 with two on a 763. A couple more teams are using Atlas, probably they must be offering a good deal. The Cardinals usually comes out of IAH, although last season one ferried in from Norway..
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:31 am

910A wrote:
SierraPacific wrote:
Has anyone seen what the Lions have chartered to play the Cardinals?

I have only seen one charter from Detroit to Phoenix this week but I doubt the Lions chartered Allegiant

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY ... /KDTW/KPHX

The Lions arrived in PHX on Friday on a DL 757..https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KDTW/KPHX


Thanks for the info!

It would have been hilarious though to see an NFL lineman squeeze into an Allegiant middle seat.
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:05 pm

The Baltimore Ravens on a 5Y 744 BWI-FLL-BWI (N322SG):

BWI-FLL 5Y8086
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5y8086

FLL-BWI 5Y8087
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5y8087
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:08 pm

Alphatango2 wrote:
It seems that the Green Bay Packers are chartering two Delta aircraft...

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KGRB/KMDW
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KGRB/KMDW

I am guessing a B757-200 is too small to hold big players and equipment?

-Dan


The Packers and the Indianapolis Colts each use two DL narrowbodies for their road trips. Colts used a 752/320 combination, like the Packers. DL8865 was the 752 and DL8866 was the A320:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KLGB/KIND
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KLGB/KIND
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2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:09 pm

The NY Giants flew a UA B764 into DFW for the game this past wknd.

Anyone know that flight number?
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:15 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
The NY Giants flew a UA B764 into DFW for the game this past wknd.

Anyone know that flight number?


UA2537 DFW-IAH B763
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KDFW/KEWR
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
Next: TBA
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:46 pm

jumpseat67 wrote:
United Airlines will fly13 teams for the 2019 Season:


I embedded the flight numbers for each UA team:

-Buffalo Bills UA2532
-Chicago Bears UA2539
-Cleveland Browns UA2535
-Denver Broncos UA2544
-Houston Texans UA2536
-Kansas City Chiefs UA2543
-Los Angeles Rams UA2538
-New Orleans Saints UA2541
-New York Giants UA2537
-New York Jets UA2534
-San Francisco 49ers UA2540
-Tennessee Titans UA2542
-Washington Redskins UA2533


The DL NFL charters list:

Atlanta Falcons DL8858
Cincinnati Bengals DL8861
Detroit Lions DL8862
Green Bay Packers DL8863/8864
Indianapolis Colts DL8865/8866
Minnesota Vikings DL8868
Pittsburgh Steelers DL8869
Tampa Bay Bucs DL8870

AA NFL charter clients

Carolina Panthers
Dallas Cowboys AA9458
Philadelphia Eagles AA9475

HA NFL charter clients

Oakland Raiders
Seattle Seahawks

5Y NFL charter clients

Arizona Cardinals
Baltimore Ravens
Jacksonville Jaguars
Los Angeles Chargers (?)
Miami Dolphins

Own charter (non-trackable)

New England Patriots
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
Next: TBA
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:58 pm

Was UA2500 a fan charter for San Francisco this past weekend in Tampa? Timing appears to be NFL game related.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2500
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:43 pm

A UA 767-400 landed at SJC from DEN last Sunday. Was that an NFL charter? Broncos playing Oakland?
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:54 pm

AirFiero wrote:
A UA 767-400 landed at SJC from DEN last Sunday. Was that an NFL charter? Broncos playing Oakland?


It had to be. Broncos fly UA and it’s not like SJC is that far from Oakland.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
Next: TBA
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:12 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
A UA 767-400 landed at SJC from DEN last Sunday. Was that an NFL charter? Broncos playing Oakland?


It had to be. Broncos fly UA and it’s not like SJC is that far from Oakland.


They may have been using the 49ers practice facility, just a couple of miles from SJC.
 
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Re: 2019 NFL Charters Thread

Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:00 am

AirFiero wrote:
They may have been using the 49ers practice facility, just a couple of miles from SJC.

Doubt it, that never happens that I know of except during the Super Bowl.

SJC just being close to the stadium and the hotel would be my guess.




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