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Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:26 pm

Now this is very odd indeed, and so far I have seen nothing more rather than the initial news report. A "light aircraft" is being reported but type etc. are seemingly still unknown. I'm also assuming that she was able to open the door and exit the a/c in her own chosen fashion. Thus, does anyone have info on a/c type and/or circumstances?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bed ... s-49192865

There is also a theory that anti-malaria medication she had been taking may have contributed to the state of her "mental health", the suggestion being of course that her actions were as a result of something that she was not in control of. But could this really be the case? I'm no medic for sure, but many students visit Africa every year for charity/voluntary purposes as she was there for, but they don't all jump out of a plane.
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:38 pm

Sad story, apparently a 19y/o Oxford student doing research in Madagascar. A fellow passenger, the pilot and her were on board the Cessna. She was known to have mental health issues. The story goes that they struggled for five minutes before the fellow passenger could no longer hold on and she "won".
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:55 pm

The Sun is reporting a Cessna 168 (which doesn't exist to my knowledge), Fox News displayed a photo of a Cessna 172. From the photos in The Sun article which supposedly show a police recreation of the events, it appears to be a Cessna 172.

I wondered if she could actually open the door against the airflow and exit, but given the low altitude, her reasonably athletic and thin frame seen in The Sun photos, and the presence of the seat frames to 'push off' of with her legs towards the door, looks possible to me.

Regarding the use of anti-malaria medications, the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) notes that some such drugs are not recommended for those with existing mental health conditions: https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/travelers/drugs.html
A pre-existing unknown / untreated mental health condition combined with certain prescription drugs resulting in an inexplicable (to everyone else) action is plausible.

Regardless of the cause, my sympathy to her friends and family; so, so sad.
 
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:36 pm

FlyKBHM wrote:
The Sun is reporting a Cessna 168 (which doesn't exist to my knowledge), Fox News displayed a photo of a Cessna 172. From the photos in The Sun article which supposedly show a police recreation of the events, it appears to be a Cessna 172.

I wondered if she could actually open the door against the airflow and exit, but given the low altitude, her reasonably athletic and thin frame seen in The Sun photos, and the presence of the seat frames to 'push off' of with her legs towards the door, looks possible to me.

Regarding the use of anti-malaria medications, the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) notes that some such drugs are not recommended for those with existing mental health conditions: https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/travelers/drugs.html
A pre-existing unknown / untreated mental health condition combined with certain prescription drugs resulting in an inexplicable (to everyone else) action is plausible.

Regardless of the cause, my sympathy to her friends and family; so, so sad.

Can confirm you can open a 172 door against the slipstream. Not all would be able to but many could.
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:43 pm

Lrockeagle wrote:
FlyKBHM wrote:
The Sun is reporting a Cessna 168 (which doesn't exist to my knowledge), Fox News displayed a photo of a Cessna 172. From the photos in The Sun article which supposedly show a police recreation of the events, it appears to be a Cessna 172.

I wondered if she could actually open the door against the airflow and exit, but given the low altitude, her reasonably athletic and thin frame seen in The Sun photos, and the presence of the seat frames to 'push off' of with her legs towards the door, looks possible to me.

Regarding the use of anti-malaria medications, the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) notes that some such drugs are not recommended for those with existing mental health conditions: https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/travelers/drugs.html
A pre-existing unknown / untreated mental health condition combined with certain prescription drugs resulting in an inexplicable (to everyone else) action is plausible.

Regardless of the cause, my sympathy to her friends and family; so, so sad.

Can confirm you can open a 172 door against the slipstream. Not all would be able to but many could.


Have flown Cessna 172s for years. One can definitely open a door, but whether it can be opened wide enough to fit a person through is another matter. Those doors are pretty broad to allow entry and exit by both front and back seat passengers. To get a door open wide enough for a person would probably likely require a very slow airspeed, just above a stall.
 
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:16 pm

Well we’ll never know for sure what happened with the only accounts being from the three people in the a/c at the time
 
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:32 pm

RobertS975 wrote:
Lrockeagle wrote:
FlyKBHM wrote:
The Sun is reporting a Cessna 168 (which doesn't exist to my knowledge), Fox News displayed a photo of a Cessna 172. From the photos in The Sun article which supposedly show a police recreation of the events, it appears to be a Cessna 172.

I wondered if she could actually open the door against the airflow and exit, but given the low altitude, her reasonably athletic and thin frame seen in The Sun photos, and the presence of the seat frames to 'push off' of with her legs towards the door, looks possible to me.

Regarding the use of anti-malaria medications, the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) notes that some such drugs are not recommended for those with existing mental health conditions: https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/travelers/drugs.html
A pre-existing unknown / untreated mental health condition combined with certain prescription drugs resulting in an inexplicable (to everyone else) action is plausible.

Regardless of the cause, my sympathy to her friends and family; so, so sad.

Can confirm you can open a 172 door against the slipstream. Not all would be able to but many could.


Have flown Cessna 172s for years. One can definitely open a door, but whether it can be opened wide enough to fit a person through is another matter. Those doors are pretty broad to allow entry and exit by both front and back seat passengers. To get a door open wide enough for a person would probably likely require a very slow airspeed, just above a stall.


Body weight plus gravity against a C172 door, even at 85KIAS or so, would easily allow someone to tumble out if that’s what their intent was.
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:06 pm

And anti-malarials have pretty bad side effects in some people. A partner on a project of mine in Africa was severely impacted. It’s a very unfortunate story, but not implausible.
 
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:21 pm

I dropped a skydiver once from a 172, he opened the door with little trouble. I slowed down but don’t remember the speed, it was many years ago.
 
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:58 pm

It's a strange story. She'd have to first unbuckle her seatbelt, then lift up a big lever to unlatch the door, then push the door open, hold it open quite wide against the airflow to give herself enough space to fit through and jump out. I don't think that's something that's easy to do by accident. Plus she had mental health issues - sounds to me more like suicide than an accident.
 
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:02 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
It's a strange story. She'd have to first unbuckle her seatbelt, then lift up a big lever to unlatch the door, then push the door open, hold it open quite wide against the airflow to give herself enough space to fit through and jump out. I don't think that's something that's easy to do by accident. Plus she had mental health issues - sounds to me more like suicide than an accident.


It was suicide- both the passenger and pilot struggled to hold on to her to keep her from trying to get out. They eventually lost their grips and out she went.
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:04 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
RobertS975 wrote:
Lrockeagle wrote:
Can confirm you can open a 172 door against the slipstream. Not all would be able to but many could.


Have flown Cessna 172s for years. One can definitely open a door, but whether it can be opened wide enough to fit a person through is another matter. Those doors are pretty broad to allow entry and exit by both front and back seat passengers. To get a door open wide enough for a person would probably likely require a very slow airspeed, just above a stall.


Body weight plus gravity against a C172 door, even at 85KIAS or so, would easily allow someone to tumble out if that’s what their intent was.

Yup yup. I flew one around for a few hours when my door would not latch closed. We decided to use the doors to make our turns.
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:34 pm

Sad story. may she rest in peace.

Always when I read such a story, I have to thing about "again, someone won the first price as tester of the evolution". Of course, this is not fine, but what shall I do, this is the first, I regular think in such a case/such a story.
 
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:24 pm

On a first date with who is now my wife I couldn’t get her door fully shut and latched on the way home from CHA to AHN. I just told her, “we’ll be fine, just don’t fall out” :) I admit I wasn’t too worried about it as I figured between the seat belt, and the slipstream at 120kts it would be pretty difficult to get it wide enough to fall out.

I also thought from the forced landing g training to open the door and re-latch it down so as not to get trapped in the event of a hard landing and a bent frame and a fire. I remember my instructor saying it will be difficult to open it in the slipstream.

I have been on anti-malaria medicine. It gives you wicked crazy dreams when you sleep. I could see it effecting someone like this unfortunately.
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:36 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
RobertS975 wrote:
Lrockeagle wrote:
Can confirm you can open a 172 door against the slipstream. Not all would be able to but many could.


Have flown Cessna 172s for years. One can definitely open a door, but whether it can be opened wide enough to fit a person through is another matter. Those doors are pretty broad to allow entry and exit by both front and back seat passengers. To get a door open wide enough for a person would probably likely require a very slow airspeed, just above a stall.


Body weight plus gravity against a C172 door, even at 85KIAS or so, would easily allow someone to tumble out if that’s what their intent was.


Last time i checked gravity acts downwards, unless you are implying the plane was heavily banked in the direction of the suiciding young woman
 
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:15 am

FlyKBHM wrote:
I wondered if she could actually open the door against the airflow and exit, but given the low altitude, her reasonably athletic and thin frame seen in The Sun photos, and the presence of the seat frames to 'push off' of with her legs towards the door, looks possible to me.
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Yes absolutely possible. Mine had a faulty latch and would often spring open a little ways during flight. Lost my good pen that way.
 
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Re: Girl dies after opening a/c door in Madagascar

Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:12 am

downdata wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
RobertS975 wrote:

Have flown Cessna 172s for years. One can definitely open a door, but whether it can be opened wide enough to fit a person through is another matter. Those doors are pretty broad to allow entry and exit by both front and back seat passengers. To get a door open wide enough for a person would probably likely require a very slow airspeed, just above a stall.


Body weight plus gravity against a C172 door, even at 85KIAS or so, would easily allow someone to tumble out if that’s what their intent was.


Last time i checked gravity acts downwards, unless you are implying the plane was heavily banked in the direction of the suiciding young woman


The door opens outward and it’s really light; it’s fairly easy to open it wide enough to tumble out, even at a decent airspeed, if you try to tumble out by putting your weight into it. Obviously she was able to get out, sooo...
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