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Re: Has the Max 8 been damaged as badly as DC-10 in the mind of the public?

Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:33 pm

DarkSnowyNight wrote:
sandyb123 wrote:
smartplane wrote:


I am super skeptical of the IAG order. Is it firm or a MOU? If it is then it is worth the paper it’s written on. Just PR spin to try to build confidence in the Max / Boeing.

Sandyb123



It's an MOU. And apart from only Seven other units, represents the entirety of 2019's sales. It's also obviously conditional on BCA's being able to rectify the current issues plaguing the aircraft's safety.

So, yeah, I'd say it's pretty obvious (no matter how loathe A.net is to admit it) that this aircraft's sales potential is, barring some Deus Ex Machina, mortally wounded. At the very least, yes, worse off than the DC-10.

For reference, Airbus has sold 60 A32X & 109 A32X NEO over the same time period. And did so without having to resort to conditional and unusually steeply discounted MOUs. So, there's that. . .


Unusually steeply discounted MOUs???
I must have missed the link to that one.
Please provide the link. I'd like to read the terms.
 
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Re: Has the Max 8 been damaged as badly as DC-10 in the mind of the public?

Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:57 pm

The internet and social media may not have been around but this photo appeared on the front pages of newspapers around the country and was seared into people’s minds.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/plane-crashes-tragedy-in-the-skies/4/

Yes, AA and the DC-10 recovered. If similar photos of the two MAX crashes existed, given social media, Boeing would be in a more challenging situation than they already are.
 
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Re: Has the Max 8 been damaged as badly as DC-10 in the mind of the public?

Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:06 pm

RobertS975 wrote:
The DC10 Chicago crash was fundamentally caused by faulty maintenance procedures, and the cargo door issue only caused one accident even though there was almost a second accident from it. The publicity that the MAX issues and the entire certification process have gotten and will continue to receive going forward will dwarf the DC10 bad publicity IMO.


The flawed maintenance procedures were merely the start of a chain of events leading to the crash. The other events were due to very serious design flaws with the aircraft itself, including to name a few, cable/hydraulic routing, slats that don't lock in place (cable/drum actuator instead of a screw jack), no slat position disagree warning... and the cherry on the cake, a flawed engine-out recovery technique (not the pilots' fault, it's what they were trained to do).

questions wrote:
Yes, AA and the DC-10 recovered.


To sell a whopping 386 aircraft. Not even a tenth of the MAX backlog. There have already been more MAXs delivered than the total DC10 production. The potential economic impact is way bigger.

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Re: Has the Max 8 been damaged as badly as DC-10 in the mind of the public?

Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:06 pm

You honestly think that social media is what is exacting the pressure on Boeing?

The last I knew, airworthiness certificates were issued by the Department of Transportation, not Facebook.
 
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Re: Has the Max 8 been damaged as badly as DC-10 in the mind of the public?

Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:09 pm

litz wrote:
...I'd bet that if you rebranded the airplane, here in the US within six months of re-entry into service, nobody will even care...

Bingo.
JetBuddy wrote:
"737 slides off the runway" is the new "Florida man"..

:lol:
 
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Re: Has the Max 8 been damaged as badly as DC-10 in the mind of the public?

Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:19 pm

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