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Latest U.S. start up - Sky Palace Airways using 777s

Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:47 pm

Newly formed U.S carrier seeking DOT certificate of public convenience and foreign transportation authority.

Established in 2018 in Tampa, Sky Palace Airways says it seeks to launch passenger charter and ACMI operations in 2020 using pair of 777-200ER aircraft seating approximately 400. Carrier says it has negotiated the purchase of planned frames for $11.5mil each.
The company says it seeks to offer both short term sub-service capacity and longer-term fixed flying contracts for tour operator and religious Hadj/Umrah capacity.

It estimated aircraft will be utilized about 150 hours per month.

FAA operating cert application was submitted in March 2019 and now needs the DOT economic authority to proceed.

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Re: Latest U.S. start up - Sky Palace Airways using 777s

Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:05 pm

A 777 with 400 seats is hardly a "palace", but more power to them
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Re: Latest U.S. start up - Sky Palace Airways using 777s

Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:31 pm

Bring back Sky King with a King sized plane?
 
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Re: Latest U.S. start up - Sky Palace Airways using 777s

Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:37 pm

It does seem that there is a lack of widebody charter lift with only Atlas, National, and Omni providing options. It is hilarious how practically every charter op is based in Florida.
 
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Re: Latest U.S. start up - Sky Palace Airways using 777s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:37 am

What a horrible name for an airline! Sounds like some sketchy Asian charter.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:40 am

This will be interesting to watch.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:44 am

Good luck to them.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:02 am

Good luck, though wouldn't a plane that is a "Sky Palace" should have at worst domestic first class seating?
 
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Re: Latest U.S. start up - Sky Palace Airways using 777s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:02 am

airportugal310 wrote:
A 777 with 400 seats is hardly a "palace", but more power to them


My thoughts exactly.
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:05 am

150 hours a month equates to about 3-4 hours a day. But that said, I would say that such could be handled by existing operators, especially if Eastern (2D) actually put its ex-KQ B772 into service. While there is a lack of wide-body charter capacity, right now, the only passenger charter airlines with it are making hay with the MAX grounding or have military contracts. This is where it might make more sense for an existing operator such as KD to branch out into charter passenger operations, although there may not be too many GE-powered planes for KD to acquire (KD only flies GE-powered planes)---that ex-KQ B772 is available though.

As for the B777-200ER, the exit door limit is 400, but I have yet to see anyone exceed 393 seats (Jin Air is Y393).
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:09 am

airportugal310 wrote:
A 777 with 400 seats is hardly a "palace", but more power to them

Considering the name, they should have gone for the A380 which operators are letting go left and right. They might chance upon a bargain. :twocents:
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:35 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:

As for the B777-200ER, the exit door limit is 400, but I have yet to see anyone exceed 393 seats (Jin Air is Y393).


Actually the exit door limit on the B772 is 440.. Scoot operated 402 seat B772s in 32J370Y, and Nokscoot operates its B772s with 415 seats, 24J391Y.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:47 am

400 seats in a 77E. And they call it a Palace? Well, if so, then its a palace taken over by the communists;-)
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:55 am

Where are they gonna source the 77E?
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:37 am

lammified wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

As for the B777-200ER, the exit door limit is 400, but I have yet to see anyone exceed 393 seats (Jin Air is Y393).


Actually the exit door limit on the B772 is 440.. Scoot operated 402 seat B772s in 32J370Y, and Nokscoot operates its B772s with 415 seats, 24J391Y.

As I recall, the 772 was considered a direct replacement for the DC10/MD11 equipment which had a seating capacity of about 400. Yet, airlines that ran those birds equipped them with 250-350 seats depending on configuration.

I'm wondering what kind of routes this airline plans on running.
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:41 am

I know it's early days, but will this end up to be another "Baltia?" (aka USGlobal).
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:30 pm

TheEuphorian wrote:
Where are they gonna source the 77E?


There is no shortage of jobless 77Es around the world. If they want good ones, for example SQ is retiring their subfleet and about every 2 months at average one has to go.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:34 pm

Ionosphere wrote:
What a horrible name for an airline! Sounds like some sketchy Asian charter.


Indeed, the kind of name a generic Chinese restaurant with the $9.99 all-you-can-eat buffet option could bear.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:36 pm

I who know nothing about charter airlines: On the surface, to me, between DL, AA, UA, WN, JetBlue and others that the USA doesn’t need to have these kinds of carriers that Europe has.
If so, I don’t see why a Southwest or JetBlue couldn’t get some 787s or A330’s and extend their networks to accommodate as European charters do, or offer a Norwegian style service to Europe, South America and maybe Asia?
I know many Americans who love Norwegian because it’s inexpensive and just fine to London or wherever. I haven’t flown them yet, I’ve never flown charter. But question #1 is; is there really an untapped need in the USA market in the USA this?

As a teenager I flew PeopleExpress a few times to London Gatwick, $99 each way and pay on board. I presume there are very good reasons why the USA doesn’t do this much. Is it really to take a bunch of passengers to meet a cruise ship?
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Re: Latest U.S. start up - Sky Palace Airways using 777s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:59 pm

airportugal310 wrote:
A 777 with 400 seats is hardly a "palace", but more power to them


Not just a 777, a 77E. How is it possible to put 400 seats in that plane?
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:16 pm

They should change the name to SkyHovel or ShyFavela.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:29 pm

Ionosphere wrote:
What a horrible name for an airline! Sounds like some sketchy Asian charter.

Or Nigerian prince
 
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Re: Latest U.S. start up - Sky Palace Airways using 777s

Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:34 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
150 hours a month equates to about 3-4 hours a day. But that said, I would say that such could be handled by existing operators, especially if Eastern (2D) actually put its ex-KQ B772 into service. While there is a lack of wide-body charter capacity, right now, the only passenger charter airlines with it are making hay with the MAX grounding or have military contracts. This is where it might make more sense for an existing operator such as KD to branch out into charter passenger operations, although there may not be too many GE-powered planes for KD to acquire (KD only flies GE-powered planes)---that ex-KQ B772 is available though.

As for the B777-200ER, the exit door limit is 400, but I have yet to see anyone exceed 393 seats (Jin Air is Y393).


When did Eastern get a 777? Considering that they can barely keep their 767s in the air, I’m not holding my breath.
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:55 pm

VC10er wrote:
If so, I don’t see why a Southwest or JetBlue couldn’t get some 787s or A330’s and extend their networks to accommodate as European charters do, or offer a Norwegian style service to Europe, South America and maybe Asia?


WN and B6 could, and don't. We haven't seen much evidence that Norwegian has found a sustainable (meaning: profitable) business model, either.

Good luck to Sky Palace - they're going to need it.
 
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:28 am

Well, at least Robert Fleming will get to be president of another airline.
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:36 am

steeler83 wrote:
lammified wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

As for the B777-200ER, the exit door limit is 400, but I have yet to see anyone exceed 393 seats (Jin Air is Y393).


Actually the exit door limit on the B772 is 440.. Scoot operated 402 seat B772s in 32J370Y, and Nokscoot operates its B772s with 415 seats, 24J391Y.

As I recall, the 772 was considered a direct replacement for the DC10/MD11 equipment which had a seating capacity of about 400. Yet, airlines that ran those birds equipped them with 250-350 seats depending on configuration.

I'm wondering what kind of routes this airline plans on running.

ACMI, so I assume they will compete with Atlas for Mil charter and sub services.
With the current frames shortage, thier is a market for this.
 
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Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:48 am

VC10er wrote:
I who know nothing about charter airlines: On the surface, to me, between DL, AA, UA, WN, JetBlue and others that the USA doesn’t need to have these kinds of carriers that Europe has.
If so, I don’t see why a Southwest or JetBlue couldn’t get some 787s or A330’s and extend their networks to accommodate as European charters do, or offer a Norwegian style service to Europe, South America and maybe Asia?
I know many Americans who love Norwegian because it’s inexpensive and just fine to London or wherever. I haven’t flown them yet, I’ve never flown charter. But question #1 is; is there really an untapped need in the USA market in the USA this?

As a teenager I flew PeopleExpress a few times to London Gatwick, $99 each way and pay on board. I presume there are very good reasons why the USA doesn’t do this much. Is it really to take a bunch of passengers to meet a cruise ship?

years ago charter airlines in the USA operated 747-100's and -200;s with up to 515 seats on them So having a 777-200ER is not a stretch of imagination. My question is?
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Re: Latest U.S. start up - Sky Palace Airways using 777s

Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:09 am

flyingclrs727 wrote:
airportugal310 wrote:
A 777 with 400 seats is hardly a "palace", but more power to them


Not just a 777, a 77E. How is it possible to put 400 seats in that plane?

If you can squeeze in 440 people in an A330 (460 for a neo), I don't see how it cannot be done for a 777.

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