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Lufthansa A319 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:53 am

Just got a video of a Lufthansa A330 after being hit by a ground vehicle.

https://youtu.be/GHt94oB7VWQ

Some speedtape should be enoungh
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:49 am

Pfffff, that ruined the whole APU and perhaps parts of the elevator construction. That´ll take some time to get fixed. I wonder what the driver was doing, certainly not something what he was expected to do.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 11:58 am

Eiszeit wrote:
Just got a video of a Lufthansa A330 after being hit by a ground vehicle.

https://youtu.be/GHt94oB7VWQ

Some speedtape should be enoungh


Autsch. Seems an idiot forgot, that is is not just driving a car, instead a little bit higher bridge. Little bit duck tape and everything is fine again...no one will recognize it.

Sorry, but this shall be a A330???????? Sure? Not an A320 family member (a ceo?)? Seems, the fuselage is little bit too small.
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:01 pm

It will buff out, speed tape, and cover with white paint. No holes in this process
 
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:02 pm

Did not we just got over the news that one of the driver drove Air China plane to the grass?
 
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:04 pm

Its D-AILR, an A319
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:05 pm

Jup sorry. I will never trust my source again
 
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:26 pm

MaxiAir wrote:
Its D-AILR, an A319

It was scheduled for repaint and transfer to City Line next month. A rather old frame, almost 22 years, which perhaps has 5 more years to go. Makes me wonder if its still worth the effort, a midsize repair and the repaint.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:28 pm

chonetsao wrote:
Did not we just got over the news that one of the driver drove Air China plane to the grass?



So first of all, this driver had a heart attack, but good job blaming him, would like to see you acting in such a situation. First do your research & then blame others. Thank you!

Secondly, in general, we do not know what happened. As the "vehicle" is attached to the right side of the aircraft, I would think it could be either a catering truck or a PRM Mover (although it looks like stairs to me). Also a this moment it is not clear what happened, could be a malfunction of the truck aswell.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:30 pm

Ouch, section 19.1 the APU bay and cone is replaceable as a single piece if one is available. The concern would be how much force was transferred into the last frame of section 19 which is where the stabilizer hinge attachments are.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:36 pm

Reminds me of N288AY (A332) getting sliced open @ CLT early 2015...

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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:41 pm

NG263 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Did not we just got over the news that one of the driver drove Air China plane to the grass?



So first of all, this driver had a heart attack, but good job blaming him, would like to see you acting in such a situation. First do your research & then blame others. Thank you!

Secondly, in general, we do not know what happened. As the "vehicle" is attached to the right side of the aircraft, I would think it could be either a catering truck or a PRM Mover (although it looks like stairs to me). Also a this moment it is not clear what happened, could be a malfunction of the truck aswell.


PLEASE! Please kindly show me how did I blame the driver.

I said one of the driver drove the plane into grass. Isn't that what happened? Was I not describe the event without any bias? Where did I in any way blamed the driver? Regardless if he had a heart attack or not, how did a reasonable describe of the outcome of the event could e possibly blame someone?

If I said the driver mistakenly drove the plane into grass, that is a blame. But I did not.

If I say you eat an apple, would that be blame? No it is what happened. If I say you eat an apple that you should not eat because it is mine, then that is a blame.

Please do not accuse anyone for something that does not exist. I didn't, neither should you.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:22 pm

chonetsao wrote:
NG263 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Did not we just got over the news that one of the driver drove Air China plane to the grass?



So first of all, this driver had a heart attack, but good job blaming him, would like to see you acting in such a situation. First do your research & then blame others. Thank you!

Secondly, in general, we do not know what happened. As the "vehicle" is attached to the right side of the aircraft, I would think it could be either a catering truck or a PRM Mover (although it looks like stairs to me). Also a this moment it is not clear what happened, could be a malfunction of the truck aswell.


PLEASE! Please kindly show me how did I blame the driver.

I said one of the driver drove the plane into grass. Isn't that what happened? Was I not describe the event without any bias? Where did I in any way blamed the driver? Regardless if he had a heart attack or not, how did a reasonable describe of the outcome of the event could e possibly blame someone?

If I said the driver mistakenly drove the plane into grass, that is a blame. But I did not.

If I say you eat an apple, would that be blame? No it is what happened. If I say you eat an apple that you should not eat because it is mine, then that is a blame.

Please do not accuse anyone for something that does not exist. I didn't, neither should you.

You described 2019 perfectly.

Truth and honesty are “blame” and “hate.” Criticisms are “attacks.”

Intent and context are such outdated concepts.
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:27 pm

ikramerica wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
NG263 wrote:


So first of all, this driver had a heart attack, but good job blaming him, would like to see you acting in such a situation. First do your research & then blame others. Thank you!

Secondly, in general, we do not know what happened. As the "vehicle" is attached to the right side of the aircraft, I would think it could be either a catering truck or a PRM Mover (although it looks like stairs to me). Also a this moment it is not clear what happened, could be a malfunction of the truck aswell.


PLEASE! Please kindly show me how did I blame the driver.

I said one of the driver drove the plane into grass. Isn't that what happened? Was I not describe the event without any bias? Where did I in any way blamed the driver? Regardless if he had a heart attack or not, how did a reasonable describe of the outcome of the event could e possibly blame someone?

If I said the driver mistakenly drove the plane into grass, that is a blame. But I did not.

If I say you eat an apple, would that be blame? No it is what happened. If I say you eat an apple that you should not eat because it is mine, then that is a blame.

Please do not accuse anyone for something that does not exist. I didn't, neither should you.

You described 2019 perfectly.

Truth and honesty are “blame” and “hate.” Criticisms are “attacks.”

Intent and context are such outdated concepts.


You my friend win the cookie for the day with that one!
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:51 pm

na wrote:
MaxiAir wrote:
Its D-AILR, an A319

It was scheduled for repaint and transfer to City Line next month. A rather old frame, almost 22 years, which perhaps has 5 more years to go. Makes me wonder if its still worth the effort, a midsize repair and the repaint.


As is it a Lufthansa A319ceo and is only 21.9 years old, it has still 8 years left, it will retire with around 30 years. By luck, this hit has occurred on the best place of the world for such a damage, especially as it is already scheduled to be refitted, upgraded and repainted. And it is even the best moment for such a damage as now the first LH A320 (D-PAIA) has just reached the 30 years (little less) and is now at LH Technik in Sofia for parting out and scrap.Additional Frankfurt airport is the main center for LH Technik, so either a bird with some parts is already on the way from Sofia or some LH Technik workers have just visited their own storage facility .As long the cell has not been to badly damaged, it is even likely, that D-AILR will be back as prior scheduled.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:10 pm

T4thH wrote:
na wrote:
MaxiAir wrote:
Its D-AILR, an A319

It was scheduled for repaint and transfer to City Line next month. A rather old frame, almost 22 years, which perhaps has 5 more years to go. Makes me wonder if its still worth the effort, a midsize repair and the repaint.


And it is even the best moment for such a damage as now the first LH A320 (D-PAIA) has just reached the 30 years (little less) and is now at LH Technik in Sofia for parting out and scrap..


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Re: Lufthansa A319 hit at FRA

Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:15 pm

Yes, mistyping, seems I was just to fast.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A319 hit at FRA

Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:42 am

Apparently it is back in service already.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A319 hit at FRA

Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:24 am

AIRT0M wrote:
Apparently it is back in service already.


Its not.
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:19 am

chonetsao wrote:
NG263 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Did not we just got over the news that one of the driver drove Air China plane to the grass?



So first of all, this driver had a heart attack, but good job blaming him, would like to see you acting in such a situation. First do your research & then blame others. Thank you!

Secondly, in general, we do not know what happened. As the "vehicle" is attached to the right side of the aircraft, I would think it could be either a catering truck or a PRM Mover (although it looks like stairs to me). Also a this moment it is not clear what happened, could be a malfunction of the truck aswell.


PLEASE! Please kindly show me how did I blame the driver.

I said one of the driver drove the plane into grass. Isn't that what happened? Was I not describe the event without any bias? Where did I in any way blamed the driver? Regardless if he had a heart attack or not, how did a reasonable describe of the outcome of the event could e possibly blame someone?

If I said the driver mistakenly drove the plane into grass, that is a blame. But I did not.

If I say you eat an apple, would that be blame? No it is what happened. If I say you eat an apple that you should not eat because it is mine, then that is a blame.

Please do not accuse anyone for something that does not exist. I didn't, neither should you.




Then I completely misunderstood your comment & want to apologize for my words. I understood it as one of those tasteless comments & have to admit that it got me a little bit. Here on airliners are a lot of people that judge situations very fast without knowing all the details. And while writing this, I notice that I did something similar, which is not good.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A319 hit at FRA

Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:50 am

MaxiAir wrote:
AIRT0M wrote:
Apparently it is back in service already.


Its not.


I'm just quoting Stefan Eiselin, the chief editor of Aerotelegraph:
https://www.aerotelegraph.com/blechscha ... -lufthansa

The last sentence "Inzwischen fliegt er bereits wieder" has been removed. There are still copies of the original text in the net.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A319 hit at FRA

Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:05 pm

AIRT0M wrote:
MaxiAir wrote:
AIRT0M wrote:
Apparently it is back in service already.


Its not.


I'm just quoting Stefan Eiselin, the chief editor of Aerotelegraph:
https://www.aerotelegraph.com/blechscha ... -lufthansa

The last sentence "Inzwischen fliegt er bereits wieder" has been removed. There are still copies of the original text in the net.


Didn't want to offend you. Aerotelegraph sadly is far from being a reliable source, as proven multiple times every year.
A short check on Flightradar would have shown the real situation.
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Re: Lufthansa A319 hit at FRA

Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:52 pm

What hit it? It looks like it could be airstairs, a catering truck, or even a K-loader?
 
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:15 pm

T4thH wrote:
na wrote:
MaxiAir wrote:
Its D-AILR, an A319

It was scheduled for repaint and transfer to City Line next month. A rather old frame, almost 22 years, which perhaps has 5 more years to go. Makes me wonder if its still worth the effort, a midsize repair and the repaint.


As is it a Lufthansa A319ceo and is only 21.9 years old, it has still 8 years left, it will retire with around 30 years. By luck, this hit has occurred on the best place of the world for such a damage, especially as it is already scheduled to be refitted, upgraded and repainted. And it is even the best moment for such a damage as now the first LH A320 (D-PAIA) has just reached the 30 years (little less) and is now at LH Technik in Sofia for parting out and scrap.Additional Frankfurt airport is the main center for LH Technik, so either a bird with some parts is already on the way from Sofia or some LH Technik workers have just visited their own storage facility .As long the cell has not been to badly damaged, it is even likely, that D-AILR will be back as prior scheduled.


Seems it will indeed be parted out and scrapped as per following source:

https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/lufthansa

"D-AILR part-out & scrap @ FRA after collision with stair"
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:27 pm

AlexA340B777 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
na wrote:
It was scheduled for repaint and transfer to City Line next month. A rather old frame, almost 22 years, which perhaps has 5 more years to go. Makes me wonder if its still worth the effort, a midsize repair and the repaint.


As is it a Lufthansa A319ceo and is only 21.9 years old, it has still 8 years left, it will retire with around 30 years. By luck, this hit has occurred on the best place of the world for such a damage, especially as it is already scheduled to be refitted, upgraded and repainted. And it is even the best moment for such a damage as now the first LH A320 (D-PAIA) has just reached the 30 years (little less) and is now at LH Technik in Sofia for parting out and scrap.Additional Frankfurt airport is the main center for LH Technik, so either a bird with some parts is already on the way from Sofia or some LH Technik workers have just visited their own storage facility .As long the cell has not been to badly damaged, it is even likely, that D-AILR will be back as prior scheduled.


Seems it will indeed be parted out and scrapped as per following source:

https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/lufthansa

"D-AILR part-out & scrap @ FRA after collision with stair"


OK, now I am really surprised. This result is unexpected... And I know, who I do not want to be now, the driver of a mobile stair car....
 
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Re: Lufthansa A319 hit at FRA

Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:44 pm

They planned to scrap lots of Airbus CEOs anyway so they perhaps just included this one
 
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Re: Lufthansa A319 hit at FRA

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:07 pm

by738 wrote:
They planned to scrap lots of Airbus CEOs anyway so they perhaps just included this one


Yes, they will now scrap several A320-200, which are not 30 years old and are near of the maximum certification of 60.000 start/landing cycles, so no heavy check will not any more performed. These jets have only few month or one year rest live left, before they will reach the end of the certified live.

The oldest A319 are 22 years old non has been sold, non scrapped and non is in storage. There are still 8 years minimum left (are these 22 years old A319 not certified already for the 80.000 cycles?; than even many more), well maintained A319 (and these are the best maintained in the world by LH Technik) are still well searched. Additional, the jets are now new distributed between all airlines of the LH group. OK, there are some to leave the LH group end of the year, but I do not believe, they will be scrapped.
So the stairs driver must have damaged something critical, that the jet is now written off. So something more than the APU at the back must have been damaged, because this can be easily replaced by LH Technik.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:20 pm

NG263 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Did not we just got over the news that one of the driver drove Air China plane to the grass?



So first of all, this driver had a heart attack, but good job blaming him, would like to see you acting in such a situation. First do your research & then blame others. Thank you!

Secondly, in general, we do not know what happened. As the "vehicle" is attached to the right side of the aircraft, I would think it could be either a catering truck or a PRM Mover (although it looks like stairs to me). Also a this moment it is not clear what happened, could be a malfunction of the truck aswell.


I believe that trains in certain countries have a "dead-man's switch" which automatically slows and stops the train if the engineer does not keep it clasped in his/her hands. Could something like that be helpful in a case like the current one in FRA?
 
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Re: Lufthansa A330 hit at FRA

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:32 pm

spinotter wrote:
NG263 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Did not we just got over the news that one of the driver drove Air China plane to the grass?



So first of all, this driver had a heart attack, but good job blaming him, would like to see you acting in such a situation. First do your research & then blame others. Thank you!

Secondly, in general, we do not know what happened. As the "vehicle" is attached to the right side of the aircraft, I would think it could be either a catering truck or a PRM Mover (although it looks like stairs to me). Also a this moment it is not clear what happened, could be a malfunction of the truck aswell.


I believe that trains in certain countries have a "dead-man's switch" which automatically slows and stops the train if the engineer does not keep it clasped in his/her hands. Could something like that be helpful in a case like the current one in FRA?


Maybe a better idea would be just to make those things out of marshmellows.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A319 hit at FRA

Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:21 pm

T4thH wrote:
by738 wrote:
They planned to scrap lots of Airbus CEOs anyway so they perhaps just included this one


Yes, they will now scrap several A320-200, which are not 30 years old and are near of the maximum certification of 60.000 start/landing cycles, so no heavy check will not any more performed. These jets have only few month or one year rest live left, before they will reach the end of the certified live.

The oldest A319 are 22 years old non has been sold, non scrapped and non is in storage. There are still 8 years minimum left (are these 22 years old A319 not certified already for the 80.000 cycles?; than even many more), well maintained A319 (and these are the best maintained in the world by LH Technik) are still well searched. Additional, the jets are now new distributed between all airlines of the LH group. OK, there are some to leave the LH group end of the year, but I do not believe, they will be scrapped.
So the stairs driver must have damaged something critical, that the jet is now written off. So something more than the APU at the back must have been damaged, because this can be easily replaced by LH Technik.


No A320 family aircraft is certified for over 60,000 cycles. Where in the world did you come up with your 80,000 figure?
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Re: Lufthansa A319 hit at FRA

Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:50 am

Spacepope wrote:
T4thH wrote:
by738 wrote:
They planned to scrap lots of Airbus CEOs anyway so they perhaps just included this one


Yes, they will now scrap several A320-200, which are not 30 years old and are near of the maximum certification of 60.000 start/landing cycles, so no heavy check will not any more performed. These jets have only few month or one year rest live left, before they will reach the end of the certified live.

The oldest A319 are 22 years old non has been sold, non scrapped and non is in storage. There are still 8 years minimum left (are these 22 years old A319 not certified already for the 80.000 cycles?; than even many more), well maintained A319 (and these are the best maintained in the world by LH Technik) are still well searched. Additional, the jets are now new distributed between all airlines of the LH group. OK, there are some to leave the LH group end of the year, but I do not believe, they will be scrapped.
So the stairs driver must have damaged something critical, that the jet is now written off. So something more than the APU at the back must have been damaged, because this can be easily replaced by LH Technik.


No A320 family aircraft is certified for over 60,000 cycles. Where in the world did you come up with your 80,000

figure?


I know they have once tried, but I do not know, if these, who had been upgraded from the first certification (48.000 cycles) can not any further upgraded or there is no general upgrade over 60.000 for the whole family.
I only remember to have read somewhere, it has failed regarding too many cracks at 80.000.
Sorry, but I do not know any more, what is the highest certified number of cycles.

EDIT: Original was 48.000 cycles and 60.000 hours (called DSG designed goal). Then came the ESG1 (and prior ISG (extension of flight hours) with 60.000 cycle and 120.000 h in 2012. They have tried a further live cycle/hour extension to 90.000 cycles and 180.000 hours (called ESG2) but according to my knowledge finally failed regarding to many cracks at around 80.000 cycles.
 
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Re: Lufthansa A319 hit at FRA

Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:05 pm

So, was the decision about a replacement of D-AILR for CityLine made or not yet? Maybe there just will be 1 less A319?
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