United pilots arrested at Glasgow Airport before boarding US flight

jomur · Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:48 am

Any one got any news on the United flight from Glasgow today that has been cancelled due to the pilot being drunk? Seems the pilot was 7 times over the limit according to rumours around the airport.

by738 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:55 am

certainly something a miss with this flight... been showing as 'go to gate' for past 2 hours.
Quick get online and book GLA JFK with DL !

a340crew · Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:53 am

Currently canceled

We're sorry to let you know that your flight (UA 162) on Aug 3rd has been canceled because of a crew scheduling disruption out of Glasgow this morning. Check out your options on the United app or united.com under Saved Reservations. You may also contact United at 0845-607-6760 (United Kingdom) or 0845-607-0777 (UK Polaris).

readytotaxi · Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:39 pm

"Crew scheduling disruption" is code for?

daumueller · Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:52 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
"Crew scheduling disruption" is code for?

Crew not available. Can be anything from sick to drunk to stuck in traffic.

jomur · Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:59 pm

Apparently the pilot was reported by the hotel he was staying at as he was partying quite hard.

United1 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:00 pm

jomur wrote:
Apparently the pilot was reported by the hotel he was staying at as he was partying quite hard.

Do you have a link to a source?

greg85 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:04 pm

Again? It’s always Glasgow!!

SQ22 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:35 pm

I have added rumour to the title until someone can provide a credible source.

jomur · Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:49 pm

United1 wrote:
jomur wrote:
Apparently the pilot was reported by the hotel he was staying at as he was partying quite hard.

Do you have a link to a source?

No real source just what was going around the staff at the airport.

RetiredNWA · Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:24 pm

At some point, these global corporations are going to go after the website operator and these posters on this forum. Regardless of where this site is incorporated or where the posters are located, these posts are tantamount to libel. Drivel. Crap.

Bhoy · Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:29 pm

SQ22 wrote:
I have added rumour to the title until someone can provide a credible source.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotl ... ssion=true

Police Scotland have detained two males to appear in court on Tuesday charged under the law of operating a transport vehicle whilst incapacitated.

jetblueguy22 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:30 pm

RetiredNWA wrote:
At some point, these global corporations are going to go after the website operator and these posters on this forum. Regardless of where this site is incorporated or where the posters are located, these posts are tantamount to libel. Drivel. Crap.

Except....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotl ... ssion=true

SQ22 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:30 pm

Bhoy wrote:
SQ22 wrote:
I have added rumour to the title until someone can provide a credible source.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotl ... ssion=true

Police Scotland have detained two males to appear in court on Tuesday charged under the law of operating a transport vehicle whilst incapacitated.

Thanks, title has been updated again.

travaz · Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:36 pm

RetiredNWA wrote:
At some point, these global corporations are going to go after the website operator and these posters on this forum. Regardless of where this site is incorporated or where the posters are located, these posts are tantamount to libel. Drivel. Crap.

Would this be the internet version of being dragged off an Airplane by Security?

Seems like this thread is neither Libel, drivel or crap.

RetiredNWA · Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:43 pm

It seems all of you failed to notice that my post, hours ago, was directed at the fact that NO INE HAD ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE TO POST. Just as SQ22 stated - a “rumor”. Like most of the drivel on here.

COSPN · Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:57 pm

I think we still have freedom of speech in the USA... and this is not a newspaper

345tas · Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:08 pm

What is it with Glasgow and North American pilots?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-39368762
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-43907466

by738 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:08 pm

greg85 wrote:
Again? It’s always Glasgow!!

Well... not always? Perhaps just more vigilance locally which should be applauded.
What we don't want is this...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-g ... t-43907466

by738 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:10 pm

by738 wrote:
greg85 wrote:
Again? It’s always Glasgow!!

Well... not always?
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1428223
Perhaps just more vigilance locally which should be applauded.
What we don't want is this...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-g ... t-43907466

Scarebus34 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:13 pm

Lol not in Glasgow again - some people never learn.

adamblang · Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:34 pm

COSPN wrote:
I think we still have freedom of speech in the USA... and this is not a newspaper

The First Amendment protects you from the government censoring you. It has no bearing on the actions of private individuals nor private corporations.

Jetty · Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:53 pm

345tas wrote:
What is it with Glasgow and North American pilots?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-39368762
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-43907466

Adjusting too much to the local situation maybe? Scotland has the worst substance abuse of Europe with lots of degenerates.

CriticalPoint · Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:56 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
COSPN wrote:
I think we still have freedom of speech in the USA... and this is not a newspaper

You should research what freedom of speech actually means.

The bill of rights protects us from an oppressive government not individuals or corporations.

WesternDC6B · Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:58 pm

adamblang wrote:
COSPN wrote:
I think we still have freedom of speech in the USA... and this is not a newspaper

The First Amendment protects you from the government censoring you. It has no bearing on the actions of private individuals nor private corporations.

One may not use speech to incite problems, like, yelling “motion picfure!” in a crowded fire station.

b747400erf · Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:59 pm

COSPN wrote:
I think we still have freedom of speech in the USA... and this is not a newspaper

Learn the Constitution before you try to correct others :banghead:

sassiciai · Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:00 pm

OMG!! GLA again for American airline flights!

It must be something to do with the Glaswegian welcome to foreign visitors, and the ready offer of a drink to anyone arriving, at least after 12 midday! That welcome is genuine and warm, but does not mean that you are obliged to follow the host. So I am amazed when these US flight crew are found to be way over the limit at 12 midday. Makes you wonder what they did the night before!!

Glasgow offers way much more than booze to the short-term visitor

Blockplus · Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:23 pm

Notice how the names are not released unlike in the delta pilot case... unless and until charges are drawn up, this is what should be done.

maverick4002 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:23 pm

RetiredNWA wrote:
It seems all of you failed to notice that my post, hours ago, was directed at the fact that NO INE HAD ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE TO POST. Just as SQ22 stated - a “rumor”. Like most of the drivel on here.

You are very angry for no reason. Its true, he was drunk, deal with it

MIflyer12 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:24 pm

RetiredNWA wrote:
It seems all of you failed to notice that my post, hours ago, was directed at the fact that NO INE HAD ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE TO POST. Just as SQ22 stated - a “rumor”. Like most of the drivel on here.

I don't think you understand U.S. libel law. Lack of a citation of source doesn't mean something is untrue (but we have a duty to be skeptical). Truth - if pilots were arrested - is the absolute defense against libel. Now, if the OP is spreading rumors KNOWN TO BE UNTRUE, that's a problem.

RetiredNWA · Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:39 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
RetiredNWA wrote:
It seems all of you failed to notice that my post, hours ago, was directed at the fact that NO INE HAD ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE TO POST. Just as SQ22 stated - a “rumor”. Like most of the drivel on here.

I don't think you understand U.S. libel law. Lack of a citation of source doesn't mean something is untrue (but we have a duty to be skeptical). Truth - if pilots were arrested - is the absolute defense against libel. Now, if the OP is spreading rumors KNOWN TO BE UNTRUE, that's a problem.

You unintentionally proved my point, and, I appreciate your response. Unfortunately, you fail to note the legalities of the issue - “were the pilots drunk” - only the breathalyzer and toxicology tests may prove or disprove that assertion (not fact). Furthermore, the individuals here post as though they have the authority to, and *have* completed the breathalyzer and toxicology examination. (You should PM me and we can discuss the issue further).

Until it was posted by the BBC, this entire thread was rumor. My major point is that rumors cannot continue without some type of verification, and, should they continue to be perpetuated by the a.net community, they have chilling and far-reaching effect.

The poster who indicated earlier in this thread that they had received information from the hotel staff, and, the other poster that indicated they had knowledge of the event from the airport staff are clearly unaware of the legal implications of their posting should this case ever move forward in a court of law. They are stating, implied, that they have material knowledge of the aforementioned event....do they?

There’s no reason to break my balls about it. History is made in court - not on airliners dot net.

sandyb123 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:44 pm

Jetty wrote:
345tas wrote:
What is it with Glasgow and North American pilots?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-39368762
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-43907466

Adjusting too much to the local situation maybe? Scotland has the worst substance abuse of Europe with lots of degenerates.

I’m assuming that this is deliberately provocative? Have you ever been to Scotland?

Sandyb123

Jetty · Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:13 pm

sandyb123 wrote:
Jetty wrote:
345tas wrote:
What is it with Glasgow and North American pilots?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-39368762
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... t-43907466

Adjusting too much to the local situation maybe? Scotland has the worst substance abuse of Europe with lots of degenerates.

I’m assuming that this is deliberately provocative? Have you ever been to Scotland?

Sandyb123

Yes I’ve been there and enjoyed it. Those are just facts though.

Scotland drug death rate highest in Europe and still on rise: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-48358404

Alcohol abuse is so rife even teachers are tested for it: www.heraldscotland.com/news/17630234.sc ... -drug-use/

Is Glasgow's drinking getting worse? 41 bottles of vodka sold per person last year: www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news ... 1-11382490

:champagne:

TTailedTiger · Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:17 pm

RetiredNWA wrote:
At some point, these global corporations are going to go after the website operator and these posters on this forum. Regardless of where this site is incorporated or where the posters are located, these posts are tantamount to libel. Drivel. Crap.

Ahahahahahahahahaha oh mercy that's funny. No, it isn't libel. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

IADCA · Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:22 pm

RetiredNWA wrote:
It seems all of you failed to notice that my post, hours ago, was directed at the fact that NO INE HAD ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE TO POST. Just as SQ22 stated - a “rumor”. Like most of the drivel on here.

It's pretty ballsy to still be calling it "drivel" now that it appears to be true. At least you've stopped calling it libellous.

MIflyer12 wrote:
RetiredNWA wrote:
It seems all of you failed to notice that my post, hours ago, was directed at the fact that NO INE HAD ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE TO POST. Just as SQ22 stated - a “rumor”. Like most of the drivel on here.

I don't think you understand U.S. libel law. Lack of a citation of source doesn't mean something is untrue (but we have a duty to be skeptical). Truth - if pilots were arrested - is the absolute defense against libel. Now, if the OP is spreading rumors KNOWN TO BE UNTRUE, that's a problem.

To be fair to him, this site is also accessible in the UK, which has much stricter libel laws. Nonetheless, something that is true is not actionable under even these, and this story would arguably fall under a couple of the exemptions under the Defamation Act of 2013 in any event.

KingB123 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:25 pm

Jetty wrote:
sandyb123 wrote:
Jetty wrote:
Adjusting too much to the local situation maybe? Scotland has the worst substance abuse of Europe with lots of degenerates.

I’m assuming that this is deliberately provocative? Have you ever been to Scotland?

Sandyb123

Yes I’ve been there and enjoyed it. Those are just facts though.

Scotland drug death rate highest in Europe and still on rise: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-48358404

Alcohol abuse is so rife even teachers are tested for it: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1763 ... -drug-use/

Is Glasgow's drinking getting worse? 41 bottles of vodka sold per person last year: http://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasg ... 1-11382490

You just don't know how us scots lot roll lol

cpd · Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:41 pm

RetiredNWA wrote:
At some point, these global corporations are going to go after the website operator and these posters on this forum. Regardless of where this site is incorporated or where the posters are located, these posts are tantamount to libel. Drivel. Crap.

Except this was true.

I don’t get how these types expect to turn up and operate a plane in that state without facing serious consequences. My job is not a critical one, but if I turned up drunk I’d be booted out very quickly.

It is disrespectful to your other staff, or worse if you are doing some critical job.

TTailedTiger wrote:

Ahahahahahahahahaha oh mercy that's funny. No, it isn't libel. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Aren’t you the guy who reckoned Boeing should sue people over allegations of 737 Max problems on this forum? Something that also turned out to be true.

DL757NYC · Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:42 pm

COSPN wrote:
I think we still have freedom of speech in the USA... and this is not a newspaper

You have to understand half the people on this site are from countries where you can’t speak freely or discuss things. I have zero fear of these “global” corporations it wasn’t so long ago these airlines were struggling to stay in business. They are operators of buses with wings.

by738 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:50 pm

sassiciai wrote:
I am amazed when these US flight crew are found to be way over the limit at 12 midday.

Was way before 12 midday...

sandyb123 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:10 pm

Jetty wrote:
sandyb123 wrote:
Jetty wrote:
Adjusting too much to the local situation maybe? Scotland has the worst substance abuse of Europe with lots of degenerates.

I’m assuming that this is deliberately provocative? Have you ever been to Scotland?

Sandyb123

Yes I’ve been there and enjoyed it. Those are just facts though.

Scotland drug death rate highest in Europe and still on rise: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-48358404

Alcohol abuse is so rife even teachers are tested for it: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1763 ... -drug-use/

Is Glasgow's drinking getting worse? 41 bottles of vodka sold per person last year: http://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasg ... 1-11382490

I can tell you speaking as a Scot in Scotland those stats apply to a very few people. I’ve never known or known of a drug addict or alcoholic. I’m sure this applies to my social group and it’s anecdotal.

But I don’t like the blanket stereotype that Scotland gets. The overwhelming percentage of us are far from the headline grabbing problems.

Out of interest, where are you from?

Sandyb123

26point2 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:55 pm

Not condoning it but food for thought... We've had many decades of jet trans Atlantic transport with likely the same pilot behavior all these many years. Only now they are being caught and tested. Has there ever been an TATL air carrier accident due to the pilot being drunk? I don't think so. Pilots have always been drinking before work...we're now just finding out about it.

GalaxyFlyer · Sat Aug 03, 2019 10:58 pm

The stats are the stats and they are more telling than a limited anecdote. Stereotypes are grounded in some grain of truth.

GF

Armodeen · Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:00 pm

26point2 wrote:
Not condoning it but food for thought... We've had many decades of jet trans Atlantic transport with likely the same pilot behavior all these many years. Only now are they being caught and tested. Has there ever been an TATL air carrier accident due to the pilot being drunk? I don't think so. Pilots have always been drinking before work...we're now just finding out about it.

You’re right, let’s just remove the regulations around alcohol. Heck remove them for driving too. Alcohol is awesome. There’s no proof being drunk is bad.

Honestly that’s how your post comes across, even if well intentioned.

26point2 · Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:08 pm

Armodeen wrote:
26point2 wrote:
Not condoning it but food for thought... We've had many decades of jet trans Atlantic transport with likely the same pilot behavior all these many years. Only now are they being caught and tested. Has there ever been an TATL air carrier accident due to the pilot being drunk? I don't think so. Pilots have always been drinking before work...we're now just finding out about it.

You’re right, let’s just remove the regulations around alcohol. Heck remove them for driving too. Alcohol is awesome. There’s no proof being drunk is bad.

Honestly that’s how your post comes across, even if well intentioned.

My point was to say that through the course of aviation history (some) pilots have been flying after drinking..just as they do now as we are learning. You might read my first sentence again?

BOSAero · Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:13 pm

RetiredNWA wrote:
It seems all of you failed to notice that my post, hours ago, was directed at the fact that NO INE HAD ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE TO POST. Just as SQ22 stated - a “rumor”. Like most of the drivel on here.

Spreading “rumors”, true or false, source or no source is in no way against the law. It’s tough to go after an entity for doing this.

mcdu · Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:38 pm

Fire them both. Don’t let them come back. Stop this nonsense now.

ltbewr · Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:32 am

First of all, we know more of these incidents due to the rise of social media, smartphones, far less tolerance from the public as to inconvenience from such stupid acts and abuse of alcohol, willing to voice their complaints as well as get attention from reporting them to the media.

Sadly, due to a few jerks, airlines will have to put in stricter rules as to alcohol use by pilots (and crew). That may include testing when checking in for a flight, pushing crews to watch out for use of alcohol by each other or not even allowing any consumption at meals if between flights within 24 hours, encouraging reporting fellow crew members if a problem to get help or before they report. Some of this must be non-negotible with the unions.

BOSAero · Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:48 am

RetiredNWA wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
RetiredNWA wrote:
It seems all of you failed to notice that my post, hours ago, was directed at the fact that NO INE HAD ANY CREDIBLE SOURCE TO POST. Just as SQ22 stated - a “rumor”. Like most of the drivel on here.

I don't think you understand U.S. libel law. Lack of a citation of source doesn't mean something is untrue (but we have a duty to be skeptical). Truth - if pilots were arrested - is the absolute defense against libel. Now, if the OP is spreading rumors KNOWN TO BE UNTRUE, that's a problem.

You unintentionally proved my point, and, I appreciate your response. Unfortunately, you fail to note the legalities of the issue - “were the pilots drunk” - only the breathalyzer and toxicology tests may prove or disprove that assertion (not fact). Furthermore, the individuals here post as though they have the authority to, and *have* completed the breathalyzer and toxicology examination. (You should PM me and we can discuss the issue further).

Until it was posted by the BBC, this entire thread was rumor. My major point is that rumors cannot continue without some type of verification, and, should they continue to be perpetuated by the a.net community, they have chilling and far-reaching effect.

The poster who indicated earlier in this thread that they had received information from the hotel staff, and, the other poster that indicated they had knowledge of the event from the airport staff are clearly unaware of the legal implications of their posting should this case ever move forward in a court of law. They are stating, implied, that they have material knowledge of the aforementioned event....do they?

There’s no reason to break my balls about it. History is made in court - not on airliners dot net.

You don’t seem to be a fan of this site and the breadth of information it provides as a whole. True or not true, it should always be taken with a grain of salt. Most of us aren’t lawyers here but there are some pretty good industry professionals on this site. Rumor or not, this is a serious case. Verification or not, THIS IS A SERIOUS CASE. As your name implies, you are retired NWA. Aviation has come a long way from the NWA days. Please don’t defend drunk pilots.

ikramerica · Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:17 am

ltbewr wrote:
First of all, we know more of these incidents due to the rise of social media, smartphones, far less tolerance from the public as to inconvenience from such stupid acts and abuse of alcohol, willing to voice their complaints as well as get attention from reporting them to the media.

Sadly, due to a few jerks, airlines will have to put in stricter rules as to alcohol use by pilots (and crew). That may include testing when checking in for a flight, pushing crews to watch out for use of alcohol by each other or not even allowing any consumption at meals if between flights within 24 hours, encouraging reporting fellow crew members if a problem to get help or before they report. Some of this must be non-negotible with the unions.

It may sound like blasphemy to many who drink eith every meal or who come from countries where its cultural to drink with dinner, but its not necessary. For medical reasons (liver) I only drink occasionally vs. my old life always drinking at least one drink when out, and I honestly don’t miss it the old way.

If pilots have to change their ways, take it from someone who’s done it, its not the end of the world. And dinners cost less to boot!

Jetty · Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:42 am

sandyb123 wrote:
Jetty wrote:
sandyb123 wrote:

I’m assuming that this is deliberately provocative? Have you ever been to Scotland?

Sandyb123

Yes I’ve been there and enjoyed it. Those are just facts though.

Scotland drug death rate highest in Europe and still on rise: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-48358404

Alcohol abuse is so rife even teachers are tested for it: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1763 ... -drug-use/

Is Glasgow's drinking getting worse? 41 bottles of vodka sold per person last year: http://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasg ... 1-11382490

I can tell you speaking as a Scot in Scotland those stats apply to a very few people. I’ve never known or known of a drug addict or alcoholic. I’m sure this applies to my social group and it’s anecdotal.

But I don’t like the blanket stereotype that Scotland gets. The overwhelming percentage of us are far from the headline grabbing problems.

Out of interest, where are you from?

Sandyb123

If these stats don’t apply to many social circles in Scotland then the scores among the others must be even worse. Drinking 80+ bottles of vodka a year; I can’t even imagine. :indifferent:

I obviously don’t believe stereotypes apply to a general population, just though it was relevant to reply to someone looking for a cause as to why pilots flying to Scotland end up drunk remarkably often that Scotland scores remarkably bad on substance abuse. Might be related, might not be.

I’m from Amsterdam.

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