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SWISS Announces Zurich To Washington D.C. and Osaka

Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:00 am

https://swiss.newsmarket.com/english/pr ... 0bf8ff265c

Osaka will be on an A330 and Washington D.C. an A340 starting March 2020.

Tokyo and Miami will receive 777-300ER service in 2020 as well.

Nice expansion from the airline, looks like we’re going to be receiving new routes from the Lufthansa Group in the next few weeks.
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:10 am

Ishrion wrote:
Osaka will be on an A330 and Washington D.C. an A340 starting March 2020.


Actually it's the other way around. If you read the press release Osaka is getting the A340 while D.C. is going A330.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:47 am

dodoma wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Osaka will be on an A330 and Washington D.C. an A340 starting March 2020.


Actually it's the other way around. If you read the press release Osaka is getting the A340 while D.C. is going A330.


I was just wondering about the same thing, that it would be more logical to swap those around.
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:49 am

MoKa777 wrote:
dodoma wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Osaka will be on an A330 and Washington D.C. an A340 starting March 2020.


Actually it's the other way around. If you read the press release Osaka is getting the A340 while D.C. is going A330.


I was just wondering about the same thing, that it would be more logical to swap those around.


From the PR:
Osaka (Japan) and Washington, D.C. (USA) will be added to the SWISS long-haul network, with non-stop service by Airbus A330/A340 aircraft, from March 2020.

Am I misreading this or...
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:55 am

Ishrion wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
dodoma wrote:

Actually it's the other way around. If you read the press release Osaka is getting the A340 while D.C. is going A330.


I was just wondering about the same thing, that it would be more logical to swap those around.


From the PR:
Osaka (Japan) and Washington, D.C. (USA) will be added to the SWISS long-haul network, with non-stop service by Airbus A330/A340 aircraft, from March 2020.

Am I misreading this or...


It refers to aircraft further down in the press release

SWISS will introduce a five-times-weekly non-stop service between Zurich and Osaka on 1 March 2020, making it the only airline to operate this route. Osaka is Japan’s third-biggest city, with over 2.5 million inhabitants. The city is a major business centre and has a large commercial port. Osaka joins Tokyo as SWISS’s second Japanese destination. The new service will be operated with Airbus A340-300 aircraft, which offer 223 seats.

SWISS will also provide daily services to Washington, D.C. from 29 March 2020. The capital of the United States of America is not only a key business metropolis, but is also a major tourist destination. The route will be operated with Airbus A330-300 aircraft seating 236 passengers. The new flights will bring service on the Zurich-Washington, D.C. route to 14 weekly frequencies provided by SWISS and its joint-venture partner United Airlines.


https://swiss.newsmarket.com/english/pr ... 0bf8ff265c
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:16 am

Nice additions for SWISS. Did SR fly to Washington DC (IAD) at one point in the past? I can't remember.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:18 am

axiom wrote:
I love the invariable “already being discussed” posts - as if people think that the masses should wade through expansive threads for every bit of news (for the record, I do enjoy the Swiss thread...)

Completely agree.

Anyway, doesn’t UA serve this? Wonder if net capacity will change. Nevertheless, their ZRH-US network is becoming quite impressive: JFK, EWR, BOS, ORD, LAX, MIA, SFO, IAD, TPA (WK), DEN (WK), SAN (WK), MCO (WK), LAS (WK)


UA does fly IAD-ZRH and IAD-GVA but the market should be able to support a double-daily service to ZRH from IAD. LX also flies EWR-ZRH alongside UA. United is going to put the larger J-class cabin 763s on its US-Switzerland flights operating from EWR and I think IAD in 2020.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:40 am

Wait, if the A333 is coming to KIX, are they blocking seats or will it be on the A343? I thought the B77W was going to free up the A343 which would be allocated to KIX but am I missing something here?
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:50 am

ktachiya wrote:
Wait, if the A333 is coming to KIX, are they blocking seats or will it be on the A343? I thought the B77W was going to free up the A343 which would be allocated to KIX but am I missing something here?


qf789 wrote:
It refers to aircraft further down in the press release
SWISS will introduce a five-times-weekly non-stop service between Zurich and Osaka on 1 March 2020, making it the only airline to operate this route. Osaka is Japan’s third-biggest city, with over 2.5 million inhabitants. The city is a major business centre and has a large commercial port. Osaka joins Tokyo as SWISS’s second Japanese destination. The new service will be operated with Airbus A340-300 aircraft, which offer 223 seats.

SWISS will also provide daily services to Washington, D.C. from 29 March 2020. The capital of the United States of America is not only a key business metropolis, but is also a major tourist destination. The route will be operated with Airbus A330-300 aircraft seating 236 passengers. The new flights will bring service on the Zurich-Washington, D.C. route to 14 weekly frequencies provided by SWISS and its joint-venture partner United Airlines.


https://swiss.newsmarket.com/english/pr ... 0bf8ff265c


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Re: SWISS Announces Zurich To Washington D.C. and Osaka

Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:50 am

ktachiya wrote:
Wait, if the A333 is coming to KIX, are they blocking seats or will it be on the A343? I thought the B77W was going to free up the A343 which would be allocated to KIX but am I missing something here?

Osaka gets the 340 currently used to Narita (upgauged to 77W), and D.C. gets the 330 currently used to Miami (also upgauged to 77W) as the two new 77Ws come online.

It's just the wording in the summary at the top of the Press release that's confusing people - 'two new destinations served by the 330/340 fleet' without specifying which destination gets which.

It is clarified further down in the text.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:53 am

Hummm.....I thought that Swiss already had an IAD service.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:01 pm

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Hummm.....I thought that Swiss already had an IAD service.

Just as part of the metal neutral Joint Venture, but it's operated by UA.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:06 pm

I'm surprised Swiss doesn't already fly IAD-ZRH. UA & LX both fly ZRH-EWR/SFO.

In October 1996, Swissair flew IAD-BOS-ZRH twice a week on the 743.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:35 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
Nice additions for SWISS. Did SR fly to Washington DC (IAD) at one point in the past? I can't remember.

Yes. I was on their last flight out of IAD. Might have been around 2003-ish. Oh, and it was already LX by then, of course.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:41 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
Nice additions for SWISS. Did SR fly to Washington DC (IAD) at one point in the past? I can't remember.


Swissair (SR) operated 747-300 services from Washington/Dulles (IAD) to Zurich (ZRH) via Philadelphia (PHL) many years ago.
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:41 pm

Will DFW or CLT - ZRH ever work Swiss? Seems like LH does well from DFW and CLT, and ZRH is Financial hub, like DFW and CLT.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:57 pm

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Will DFW or CLT - ZRH ever work Swiss? Seems like LH does well from DFW and CLT, and ZRH is Financial hub, like DFW and CLT.


Houston doesn’t even have ZRH yet, wouldn’t be surprised to see them go there first given the JV.

DFW used to have service to ZRH on an AA 772... I think it was cut after 9/11? That service might’ve been influenced by the Swiss airline that was originally in OW? Not sure when the times line up.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:59 pm

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Will DFW or CLT - ZRH ever work Swiss? Seems like LH does well from DFW and CLT, and ZRH is Financial hub, like DFW and CLT.


CLT-MUC is really about the German (especially Bavarian) manufacturing presence in the area, not so much about finances. Does ZRH have a lot of consumer banking? That’s pretty much what CLT’s financial industry is.
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:06 pm

LH658 wrote:
Will DFW or CLT - ZRH ever work Swiss? Seems like LH does well from DFW and CLT, and ZRH is Financial hub, like DFW and CLT.


Very unlikely. Never say never but for the next five years I'd say:

a) The two biggest unserved routes from ZRH to the US are Seattle and Houston, followed by Dallas, Minneapolis and Detroit. Demand to CLT is negligible and there are numerous options in North America before Dallas is considered, either unserved like SEA or IAH or underserved like IAD. The next possible ZRH to US route I personally can see is ORD operated by UA.

b) LX doesn't have enough aircraft to open DFW and CLT. And ZRH is too limited politically to expand into a major European hub. More European feeder flights would be necessary to make such routes work.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:18 pm

LH658 wrote:
Will DFW or CLT - ZRH ever work Swiss? Seems like LH does well from DFW and CLT, and ZRH is Financial hub, like DFW and CLT.


DFW and CLT offer very little *A connections, unlike IAD. IAH also offers these connections, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them add that either.

Possible, but extremely unlikely.
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:15 pm

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Will DFW or CLT - ZRH ever work Swiss? Seems like LH does well from DFW and CLT, and ZRH is Financial hub, like DFW and CLT.


Dallas and banking and/or investments? Huh?
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:30 pm

Bummer. Would have loved to see the A340 to IAD.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:42 pm

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Bummer. Would have loved to see the A340 to IAD.

You can see it relatively close to IAD. The evening flight of Swiss to BOS is operated by the A340. ;)
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:06 pm

Ishrion wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Will DFW or CLT - ZRH ever work Swiss? Seems like LH does well from DFW and CLT, and ZRH is Financial hub, like DFW and CLT.


Houston doesn’t even have ZRH yet, wouldn’t be surprised to see them go there first given the JV.

DFW used to have service to ZRH on an AA 772... I think it was cut after 9/11? That service might’ve been influenced by the Swiss airline that was originally in OW? Not sure when the times line up.


It was downgauged to a 763 in the mid 2000s. I think my last flight on there was around 2006.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:19 pm

Good adds by Swiss. I think both of these should work out.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:19 pm

AirAfreak wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Nice additions for SWISS. Did SR fly to Washington DC (IAD) at one point in the past? I can't remember.


Swissair (SR) operated 747-300 services from Washington/Dulles (IAD) to Zurich (ZRH) via Philadelphia (PHL) many years ago.


Wasn't the SR service to PHL via BOS, not IAD?
 
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What will be the departure times on the IAD flight? thanks in advance
 
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What will be the departure times on the IAD flight? thanks in advance


Zurich – Washington, D.C. LX 70 13:45 – 17:00 Daily
Washington, D.C. – Zurich LX 71 20:35 – 10:40 Daily

All in local times
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:54 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Will DFW or CLT - ZRH ever work Swiss? Seems like LH does well from DFW and CLT, and ZRH is Financial hub, like DFW and CLT.


Dallas and banking and/or investments? Huh?

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Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:56 pm

ktachiya wrote:
Wait, if the A333 is coming to KIX, are they blocking seats or will it be on the A343? I thought the B77W was going to free up the A343 which would be allocated to KIX but am I missing something here?


I'm almost certain an A333 has the legs to do ZRH-KIX-ZRH without blocking any seats.
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:55 pm

I always found it perplexing that LX even left IAD back in 2003, it always seemed to be a huge whole in their network IMHO.

When did UA start IAD-ZRH?
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:20 pm

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I always found it perplexing that LX even left IAD back in 2003, it always seemed to be a huge whole in their network IMHO.

In 2003, LX were losing money, and announced they were to join oneworld. The route then would have been just O/D, as there's have been little feed at IAD.
The proposed oneworld membership collapsed as LX didn't want to give BA access to their Frequent Flyer database, before LH eventually bought them out a year or two later and they joined Star.


Swissair back in the 90s were in a partnership with Delta (so they had feed via ATL) before moving to American (feed via DFW), before joining Star and initially having big feed via ORD (EWR is only 10 odd years old as a mainline destination - they used a Privatair BBJ on the route before)
 
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LSZH34 wrote:
mcg wrote:
What will be the departure times on the IAD flight? thanks in advance


Zurich – Washington, D.C. LX 70 13:45 – 17:00 Daily
Washington, D.C. – Zurich LX 71 20:35 – 10:40 Daily

All in local times


Thanks, the eastbound flight is schedule nicely (for me), I wonder how the eastbound flight will work in terms of connection to UA. The UA ZRH - IAD flight leaves ZRH at about noon and connects well (for me) in IAD.

Thanks again.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:15 pm

The timing of the IAD flight is really not that good for any inbound or outbound connections from UA. So I suppose LX mainly targets local DC O&D market. I also wonder if UA will slightly adjust the timing of its ZRH flight (eg move it forward by 1 hour) to better spread out the two flights.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:57 pm

That is some trivia I would have not gotten correct, had always assumed LX flew to IAD.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:12 am

This is another example of the growing role of Dulles and the United hub and joint ventures
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:28 am

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The proposed oneworld membership collapsed as LX didn't want to give BA access to their Frequent Flyer database


AA had been courting Swissair for years and very much acted as a partner. BA not so much, demanding LX surrender its LHR slots, a highly lucrative SR market, giving it a monopoly on ZRH-LHR for a couple of years and tons of information about LX FF, its most valuable to boot.

It was BA predatory behavior why LX pulled out of the Oneworld integration. Today's LHR slots all come from the LH Group.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:08 am

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AirAfreak wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Nice additions for SWISS. Did SR fly to Washington DC (IAD) at one point in the past? I can't remember.


Swissair (SR) operated 747-300 services from Washington/Dulles (IAD) to Zurich (ZRH) via Philadelphia (PHL) many years ago.


Wasn't the SR service to PHL via BOS, not IAD?


I took the SR IAD-ZRH flight in 1993 (I'm pretty sure) and it stopped in BOS instead of PHL so I guess there was a change somewhere along the line. Was my only 747-300 ride and I remember a friendly crew in one direction and a cold one on the other. Was fabulous sitting in the hump as SR had economy up there at the time.
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So LX cancelled plans to fly YYZ next year?
 
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Bhoy wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
I always found it perplexing that LX even left IAD back in 2003, it always seemed to be a huge whole in their network IMHO.

In 2003, LX were losing money, and announced they were to join oneworld. The route then would have been just O/D, as there's have been little feed at IAD.
The proposed oneworld membership collapsed as LX didn't want to give BA access to their Frequent Flyer database, before LH eventually bought them out a year or two later and they joined Star.


Swissair back in the 90s were in a partnership with Delta (so they had feed via ATL) before moving to American (feed via DFW), before joining Star and initially having big feed via ORD (EWR is only 10 odd years old as a mainline destination - they used a Privatair BBJ on the route before)


I have a memory that OS flew A310s from VIE-ZRH-IAD back when they were part of the Qualiflyer Group. Since SAir Group owned both SR and OS, maybe they were sharing opportunities across the carriers?
 
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airzim wrote:
Bhoy wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
I always found it perplexing that LX even left IAD back in 2003, it always seemed to be a huge whole in their network IMHO.

In 2003, LX were losing money, and announced they were to join oneworld. The route then would have been just O/D, as there's have been little feed at IAD.
The proposed oneworld membership collapsed as LX didn't want to give BA access to their Frequent Flyer database, before LH eventually bought them out a year or two later and they joined Star.


Swissair back in the 90s were in a partnership with Delta (so they had feed via ATL) before moving to American (feed via DFW), before joining Star and initially having big feed via ORD (EWR is only 10 odd years old as a mainline destination - they used a Privatair BBJ on the route before)


I have a memory that OS flew A310s from VIE-ZRH-IAD back when they were part of the Qualiflyer Group. Since SAir Group owned both SR and OS, maybe they were sharing opportunities across the carriers?

Possibly. But then again, those same OS A310s also flew VIE-CPH-ORD, with a SK code-share on CPH-ORD. While SK was also a member of Qualiflyer, they had no ownership in OS.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:41 am

YangFeng wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Will DFW or CLT - ZRH ever work Swiss? Seems like LH does well from DFW and CLT, and ZRH is Financial hub, like DFW and CLT.


Very unlikely. Never say never but for the next five years I'd say:

a) The two biggest unserved routes from ZRH to the US are Seattle and Houston, followed by Dallas, Minneapolis and Detroit. Demand to CLT is negligible and there are numerous options in North America before Dallas is considered, either unserved like SEA or IAH or underserved like IAD. The next possible ZRH to US route I personally can see is ORD operated by UA.

b) LX doesn't have enough aircraft to open DFW and CLT. And ZRH is too limited politically to expand into a major European hub. More European feeder flights would be necessary to make such routes work.


I dont think so, see what I posted about LH MUC to add usa route.

I doubt wont make it. There is the problem is MLIT (Mickey Lealand International Terminal) has'nt start rebuilt and old terminal C north has'nt demilosh yet and keep delay. LH might go somewhere else to start from MUC. MLIT is not full to cover for all widebodies mostly skip gate for widebodies and narrowbodies next each other and timing for arrival to make room to park for international. MLIT have limit is 6 widebodies at same time with total 12 gates.

Then SWISS might pick somewhere else instead IAH.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:37 am

How many 343s to stick around at LX? Thought those were being retired, doesn't seem like it.
 
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So LX cancelled plans to fly YYZ next year?


Don't think LX ever had plans for YYZ.
 
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Will DFW or CLT - ZRH ever work Swiss? Seems like LH does well from DFW and CLT, and ZRH is Financial hub, like DFW and CLT.

CLT is more of a consumer banking hub than finance like New York or London and is only served be LH to connect BMWs main HQ in Munich to their North American HQ in Greer, SC. And DFW isnt a finance city really at all, more of a oil (big oil presence but not on the level of Houston), telecom, logistics and some others.

If/when LX serves Texas it will be IAH for Star connections and pharmaceutical traffic. Its been predicted that LX will eventually serve IAH but thats based off of nothing more substantial than a.net foretelling.
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Re: SWISS Announces Zurich To Washington D.C. and Osaka

Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:09 am

TWA772LR wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Will DFW or CLT - ZRH ever work Swiss? Seems like LH does well from DFW and CLT, and ZRH is Financial hub, like DFW and CLT.

CLT is more of a consumer banking hub than finance like New York or London and is only served be LH to connect BMWs main HQ in Munich to their North American HQ in Greer, SC. And DFW isnt a finance city really at all, more of a oil (big oil presence but not on the level of Houston), telecom, logistics and some others.

If/when LX serves Texas it will be IAH for Star connections and pharmaceutical traffic. Its been predicted that LX will eventually serve IAH but thats based off of nothing more substantial than a.net foretelling.


I agreed with you IAH wont make it. I blamed the mayor of Houston Sylvester Turner ripped the contract to wasted their time and money to rebuilt MLIT.
 
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Re: SWISS Announces Zurich To Washington D.C. and Osaka

Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:51 am

LC1002368 wrote:
How many 343s to stick around at LX? Thought those were being retired, doesn't seem like it.

5 frames are still in the fleet and suppose to stay until at least 2025.
their interiours are getting a "refresh" this year to sport the same seats and comfort of the 77W.
 
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Re: SWISS Announces Zurich To Washington D.C. and Osaka

Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:53 am

What is the traffic between KIX - ZRH?
 
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Re: SWISS Announces Zurich To Washington D.C. and Osaka

Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:50 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Will DFW or CLT - ZRH ever work Swiss? Seems like LH does well from DFW and CLT, and ZRH is Financial hub, like DFW and CLT.

CLT is more of a consumer banking hub than finance like New York or London and is only served be LH to connect BMWs main HQ in Munich to their North American HQ in Greer, SC. And DFW isnt a finance city really at all, more of a oil (big oil presence but not on the level of Houston), telecom, logistics and some others.

If/when LX serves Texas it will be IAH for Star connections and pharmaceutical traffic. Its been predicted that LX will eventually serve IAH but thats based off of nothing more substantial than a.net foretelling.


DFW isn’t really an oil city. It is the financial capital of the Central Southern US. It’s economy is super diverse.

But no LX won’t show up there.
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Re: SWISS Announces Zurich To Washington D.C. and Osaka

Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:07 pm

airzim wrote:
Bhoy wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
I always found it perplexing that LX even left IAD back in 2003, it always seemed to be a huge whole in their network IMHO.

In 2003, LX were losing money, and announced they were to join oneworld. The route then would have been just O/D, as there's have been little feed at IAD.
The proposed oneworld membership collapsed as LX didn't want to give BA access to their Frequent Flyer database, before LH eventually bought them out a year or two later and they joined Star.


Swissair back in the 90s were in a partnership with Delta (so they had feed via ATL) before moving to American (feed via DFW), before joining Star and initially having big feed via ORD (EWR is only 10 odd years old as a mainline destination - they used a Privatair BBJ on the route before)


I have a memory that OS flew A310s from VIE-ZRH-IAD back when they were part of the Qualiflyer Group. Since SAir Group owned both SR and OS, maybe they were sharing opportunities across the carriers?



Austrian (OS) flew the A310s from Washington/Dulles (IAD) to Vienna (VIE) via Geneva (GVA) in partnership with Swissair (SR). Swissair flew to Zurich (ZRH) from Washington/Dulles (IAD) via Philadelphia (PHL) in cooperation with Austrian Airlines (OS) operated by Boeing 747-300SUD. I should have clarified the existence of the Washington/Dulles (IAD) to Zurich (ZRH) services (operated by Swissair (SR)), flown via a stopover in Boston (BOS) before the establishment of the Philadelphia (PHL) tag to/from IAD. When Swissair (SR) announced the Philadelphia (PHL) outstation as the newest addition to the North American Network, the Washington/Dulles tag attached to that Boston (BOS) flight was discontinued.

Fun fact: Swissair was one of the few airlines to operate the passenger version of the Boeing 747-300 into Washington/Dulles. JAL | Japan Airlines operated the Boeing 747-300 to Washington/Dulles for its’ 3x/weekly (seasonal 4x/weekly) services to Japan, (JAL opened a Sakura Lounge at IAD located on the lower level of the main terminal for the few weekly flights surprisingly) and “Saudia” (Arabian Airlines) operated a mix of Boeing 747-300 and Boeing 747SP on alternating days from Washington/Dulles to Riyadh and Jeddah (via New York).
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