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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:13 pm

spannacomo wrote:
flights from LIN to LCY will stop after brexit because you can only fly to EU from LIN. That means 6xAZ and 4xBA will stop.


Interesting, thanks.
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:52 pm

spannacomo wrote:
flights from LIN to LCY will stop after brexit because you can only fly to EU from LIN. That means 6xAZ and 4xBA will stop.

You sure? AZ564/566 is a twice daily service from Linate to Geneva, which is outside the EU (although inside Schengen).

[or does that operate to the 'french' side of GVA?]
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:09 pm

Switzerland has special status and shed load of regulations and agreements with the EU including the vexatious issue of free movement !

They are signatories and annexed in the EU aviation free sky’s EU-US , EU-Israel and EU-Marocco aviation deals.
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:00 pm

Bhoy wrote:
spannacomo wrote:
flights from LIN to LCY will stop after brexit because you can only fly to EU from LIN. That means 6xAZ and 4xBA will stop.

You sure? AZ564/566 is a twice daily service from Linate to Geneva, which is outside the EU (although inside Schengen).

[or does that operate to the 'french' side of GVA?]

It does operate to the French Sector, which was created prior to Schengen to allow France bound passengers arriving on flights from France to avoid entering Switzerland and crossing back into France.
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:36 am

Aliqiout wrote:
It does operate to the French Sector, which was created prior to Schengen to allow France bound passengers arriving on flights from France to avoid entering Switzerland and crossing back into France.


It does not operate from the French sector, but Switzerland has comprehensive bilateral agreements with the EU, covering air transport, and Switzerland is a member of of Schengen. So the situation is totally different from a no-deal Britain.
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:48 am

Also Alitalia and BA operate LHR-LIN and easyJet LGW-LIN. So will all that be cancelled? London-LIN is about 1 million PAX/year. Busiest city pair on par with Paris-LIN.
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:57 am

spannacomo wrote:
flights from LIN to LCY will stop after brexit because you can only fly to EU from LIN. That means 6xAZ and 4xBA will stop.

You can fly to Geneva form LIN and that is also not EU. You can fly to several destinations in the UK. They will find a solution.
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:58 am

tvh wrote:
spannacomo wrote:
flights from LIN to LCY will stop after brexit because you can only fly to EU from LIN. That means 6xAZ and 4xBA will stop.

You can fly to Geneva form LIN and that is also not EU. You can fly to several destinations in the UK. They will find a solution.



UK joining Shengen and FOM would be an easy solution.
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:54 am

SCQ83 wrote:
Also Alitalia and BA operate LHR-LIN and easyJet LGW-LIN. So will all that be cancelled? London-LIN is about 1 million PAX/year. Busiest city pair on par with Paris-LIN.

of course they will be canceled, unless EU and UK will make a deal. But there will be a grace period of one year when they can still fly that can be used to make a deal. This grace period will be applied to all flights between EU and UK and also inside UK and inside EU.
tvh wrote:
spannacomo wrote:
flights from LIN to LCY will stop after brexit because you can only fly to EU from LIN. That means 6xAZ and 4xBA will stop.

You can fly to Geneva form LIN and that is also not EU. You can fly to several destinations in the UK. They will find a solution.

switzerland have a deal with EU, in the past there were LIN-ZRH flights also for a couple of IATA seasons,UK need a deal with EU if they want to continue to fly.
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:58 am

FluidFlow wrote:
UK joining Shengen and FOM would be an easy solution.

Easy in what way?
There is no democractic legtimacy for the UK joining the Schengen zone, none at all
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:12 pm

Ah this thread is very entertaining. Also I love how out of the 60 or so responses literally one has answered the question asked here. A.net at its finest
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:17 pm

spannacomo wrote:
flights from LIN to LCY will stop after brexit because you can only fly to EU from LIN. That means 6xAZ and 4xBA will stop.


Do you have confirmation these flights are ending?

Both bookable after October 31st...
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:38 pm

Don't see Brexit making much difference to aviation, it's not as if the UK is in Schengen with open borders now.

LCY is restricted by its size and location, it will (and should) remain a minor niche airport
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:44 pm

bhxalex wrote:
spannacomo wrote:
flights from LIN to LCY will stop after brexit because you can only fly to EU from LIN. That means 6xAZ and 4xBA will stop.


Do you have confirmation these flights are ending?

Both bookable after October 31st...


Do you have confirmation of a 'No-Deal Brexit" on October 31st ???????????
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:24 pm

spannacomo wrote:
flights from LIN to LCY will stop after brexit because you can only fly to EU from LIN. That means 6xAZ and 4xBA will stop.
You think they'll change from LIN to MXP in that case, or will LCY out of Milan be outright cancelled?
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:33 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
Also Alitalia and BA operate LHR-LIN and easyJet LGW-LIN. So will all that be cancelled? London-LIN is about 1 million PAX/year. Busiest city pair on par with Paris-LIN.


Slightly out of the topic, can you give us the yearly numbers between LIN and PAR (CDG-ORY) please ?
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:43 pm

As an FYI, the restrictions on flights to LIN are not an EU regulation. That rule comes from the Italian government so treaties between the EU and the UK don't really matter. This has to be a bilateral agreement between the UK and Italy on access to LIN.

The EU has already published its transition plan for UK airlines which intends to preserve the right of UK carriers to fly to any point in the EU (but UK carriers will lose the ability to fly within the EU). But this doesn't fix the LIN problem which is a result of an Italian government regulation.

So unless Italy changes the rules, BA, U2 and AZ can't operate flights to London anymore.
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:50 pm

Arion640 wrote:
kdeg00 wrote:
someone forgetting that the royal family are effectively germans...

UK Heritage is far more tied to North American Heritage than it is to Continental Europe.


And by that logic, no one in America is actually American except the Native Indians.


Even they are Asian since they crossed into North America during the Ice Age.
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:12 pm

I think LCY is well placed for either a Brexit boom or bust.
If its leads to the pound being devalued London will become more attractive to tourists and business.
LCY has proved itself pretty resilient to changes in demand, eg, Eurostar is now probably the quickest way to get to Paris and Brussels.
When demand for a route has dropped off they seem to be a queue of airlines starting new routes, we now have LOT flying to Poland and Lithuania.
In the UK you have the banks, fund managers and insurance companies with offices in Dublin, Glasgow and Edinburgh, with LCY its easy enough to come down to the City or Canary Wharf for a day trip.

BTW the Royal family are a mixture of Germans and Russians,,, plus Prince Philip is Greek... so we are pretty multi cultural..
and Winston Churchill was half American.. is mum was from Brooklyn, so that about covers the globe.
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:03 am

klakzky123 wrote:
As an FYI, the restrictions on flights to LIN are not an EU regulation. That rule comes from the Italian government so treaties between the EU and the UK don't really matter. This has to be a bilateral agreement between the UK and Italy on access to LIN.


AFAIK, it is a local decision to regulate traffic of Milan airports and can be redecided locally without any bilateral.

Another issue is custom facilities that will be required to all airports handling UK-EU traffic. Are there any relevant airports in UK or EU that have passport control (non-Schengen) but no customs (non-EU)? Domestic airports are expected to have some customs control for connecting traffic.
 
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Re: LCY / Hard Brexit consequences

Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:25 pm

YIMBY wrote:
klakzky123 wrote:
As an FYI, the restrictions on flights to LIN are not an EU regulation. That rule comes from the Italian government so treaties between the EU and the UK don't really matter. This has to be a bilateral agreement between the UK and Italy on access to LIN.


AFAIK, it is a local decision to regulate traffic of Milan airports and can be redecided locally without any bilateral.

sorry but you are both wrong, the italian law regulating LIN traffic needs EU approval. The last version of it is known as Decreto Lupi and was approved by EU commission without modification, the previous version known as Decreto Bersani was heavily modified by EU commission and this modification was so heavy to become one of the reason why MXP hub by AZ did not work. Point is, airport traffic is EU matter and no longer just national. No deal means no flight between LIN and LCY (all of the UK).

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