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Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:04 pm
by T4thH
First parts have been received in last two month at Mobile. It was already announced earlier, the production will start in Q3, manufacturing will first start.in another buildings as the A220 FAL is still not completed.

MOBILE, Alabama — Airbus announced today that it has begun manufacturing A220 aircraft at its Alabama production facility, a key milestone in growth plans that will see the company add a second assembly line at its Mobile facility and hire more than 400 new workers at the site.


http://www.madeinalabama.com/2019/08/milestone-airbus-launches-a220-production-at-alabama-facility/
and several other sources, announcing the same.

Additional important points:
The first U.S.-made A220 – an A220-300 destined for Delta Air Lines – is scheduled for delivery in the third quarter of 2020.

By the middle of next decade, the facility will produce between 40 and 50 A220 aircraft per year


And first picture:
https://twitter.com/AirbusInTheUS/status/1158385735357124610

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:13 pm
by T4thH

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:14 pm
by TranscendZac
Congrats to the entire program. An an American citizen, I'm hoping carriers other than DL pick up the A220. Looking forward to flying on them. Also hoping to see a future A220-400/500 or whatever it is called. I think for Airbus it would make sense. they could do a 320.5 type stretch and focus on the the upper narrow body market with the 320 series, using the 220 series to bridge the 110-165 seats.

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:14 pm
by mwhcvt
As I understand it this FAL like that of the A32X at Mobile will be purely to service the US market so at the moment that means DL, B6 and Moxy I guess Airbus is confident in its future sales within the US

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:23 pm
by Dutchy
mwhcvt wrote:
As I understand it this FAL like that of the A32X at Mobile will be purely to service the US market so at the moment that means DL, B6 and Moxy I guess Airbus is confident in its future sales within the US


Will these A220 be made on the same line as A32X? Is it this flexible or are there two now?

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:28 pm
by T4thH
mwhcvt wrote:
As I understand it this FAL like that of the A32X at Mobile will be purely to service the US market so at the moment that means DL, B6 and Moxy I guess Airbus is confident in its future sales within the US

Yes. And it seems, only A220-300 (and no A220.-100) will be build there. The A220-100 for the US market will be build in Montreal.

Delta has 95 firmed and 50 options.
Moxy has 60 firmed and 60 options.
JetBlue has 70 firmed and 50 options.

I am pretty sure, Delta will at least order 100 A220-300, all build in Mobile (and 45 A220-100 build in Montreal).
JetBlue will take 120 and more A220-300.
Alone these are already 5 production years with maximum capacity at Mobile FAL.
And I am pretty sure, Moxy will start and will be hopefully successful, so we will see another 120 birds (additional 3 production years.

The A220-300 production at Mobile is already sold out.

quote="Dutchy"]
mwhcvt wrote:
As I understand it this FAL like that of the A32X at Mobile will be purely to service the US market so at the moment that means DL, B6 and Moxy I guess Airbus is confident in its future sales within the US


Will these A220 be made on the same line as A32X? Is it this flexible or are there two now?[/quote]

No, they have started with the construction of an A220 FAL building this year, it is expected to be completed end of this year, production start in this building begin of next year. First delivery mid of 2020 (as now announced Q3 2020).

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:31 pm
by JamesCousins
mwhcvt wrote:
As I understand it this FAL like that of the A32X at Mobile will be purely to service the US market so at the moment that means DL, B6 and Moxy I guess Airbus is confident in its future sales within the US


They've got enough orders for the medium term from US carriers alone to service solely the US market, but I can't imagine a non-US carrier would refuse Alabama frames over the Canadian produced alternatives (aside from Air Canada ofc)

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:37 pm
by T4thH
JamesCousins wrote:
mwhcvt wrote:
As I understand it this FAL like that of the A32X at Mobile will be purely to service the US market so at the moment that means DL, B6 and Moxy I guess Airbus is confident in its future sales within the US


They've got enough orders for the medium term from US carriers alone to service solely the US market, but I can't imagine a non-US carrier would refuse Alabama frames over the Canadian produced alternatives (aside from Air Canada ofc)


No, forget it. Contracts and agreements. A220 production in Montreal is for the world. Mobile is for US market only.
It is the same for the A320 family FALs worldwide. Hamburg and Toulouse for the world (including US and China). Mobile FAL solely for US market ad the Tianjin FAL in China for the China market.

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:40 pm
by SEU
Does the A220 still have the tariffs?

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:53 pm
by ODwyerPW
Quite an accomplishment to get that FAL built so quickly. Wow. Congradulations, many more Airbi to come.

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:19 pm
by T4thH
ODwyerPW wrote:
Quite an accomplishment to get that FAL built so quickly. Wow. Congradulations, many more Airbi to come.


To avoid misunderstanding. You are aware, the A220 Mobile FAL is still in construction, it shall be completed at end of 2019 (and production in FAL building start at begin of 2020. Last picture, I have seen: building is standing, windows are still pending e.g.)
They have started with the manufacturing in different buildings on the Mobile Airbus facility (including even the A320 FAL building), everywhere where is a little bit unused space..

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:59 pm
by Amiga500
SEU wrote:
Does the A220 still have the tariffs?


There never were tariffs.

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:57 pm
by JetBuddy
It really is remarkable and impressive how quickly they have managed to do this.

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:24 pm
by kimimm19
JetBuddy wrote:
It really is remarkable and impressive how quickly they have managed to do this.


Indeed!

Especially as we are in the third quarter already, so delivery is not too far away!

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:07 pm
by 9252fly
kimimm19 wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
It really is remarkable and impressive how quickly they have managed to do this.


Indeed!

Especially as we are in the third quarter already, so delivery is not too far away!


Agreed, should be interesting to see when they have it ready for test flights. Here's a video link to the start of assembly of the first aircraft at the Mobil FAL that was posted in the A220 production thread. Do we know which customer it's destined for, my guess is Delta?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6hJ23uhV10

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:22 pm
by StTim
Still a long way from Q3 2020 though.

Airbus doing their normal steady, find issue, analyse, resolve, continue approach. Not spectacular but hopefully less rework and better long term quality.

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:51 am
by JamesCousins
T4thH wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:
mwhcvt wrote:
As I understand it this FAL like that of the A32X at Mobile will be purely to service the US market so at the moment that means DL, B6 and Moxy I guess Airbus is confident in its future sales within the US


They've got enough orders for the medium term from US carriers alone to service solely the US market, but I can't imagine a non-US carrier would refuse Alabama frames over the Canadian produced alternatives (aside from Air Canada ofc)


No, forget it. Contracts and agreements. A220 production in Montreal is for the world. Mobile is for US market only.
It is the same for the A320 family FALs worldwide. Hamburg and Toulouse for the world (including US and China). Mobile FAL solely for US market ad the Tianjin FAL in China for the China market.


I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying hypothetically if Mobile production exceeded US demand I highly doubt there'd be a stockpiling of frames...

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:39 pm
by scbriml
T4thH wrote:
No, forget it. Contracts and agreements. A220 production in Montreal is for the world. Mobile is for US market only.
It is the same for the A320 family FALs worldwide. Hamburg and Toulouse for the world (including US and China). Mobile FAL solely for US market ad the Tianjin FAL in China for the China market.


Which 'contracts and agreements'? Tianjin-built A320s are being delivered to customers outside of China.

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... -asia.html

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:59 pm
by T4thH
JamesCousins wrote:
T4thH wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:

They've got enough orders for the medium term from US carriers alone to service solely the US market, but I can't imagine a non-US carrier would refuse Alabama frames over the Canadian produced alternatives (aside from Air Canada ofc)


No, forget it. Contracts and agreements. A220 production in Montreal is for the world. Mobile is for US market only.
It is the same for the A320 family FALs worldwide. Hamburg and Toulouse for the world (including US and China). Mobile FAL solely for US market ad the Tianjin FAL in China for the China market.


I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying hypothetically if Mobile production exceeded US demand I highly doubt there'd be a stockpiling of frames...

Pretty sure, the Mobile FAL will not be able to fulfill the US demand for a long time; it seems to be just a FAL for 4 A220/month, there are just around 440 workers on the A220 line (or will be), instead around 1000 in a full line with a capacity of around 8 or 10 /month (if I compare them to the A320 lines)..
Still it seems, there are contracts with the Canada government, that global production will stay in Montreal for the next 20 years. No one is selling a complete clean sheet product for just 1 $ and has not something else stated in the contracts, they are not stupid. (Mitsubishi has bought instead the CRJ family for around 600 million $ and is allowed to close the line as soon as possible, this is the difference to the 1 $) So global production will/will stay be per contract in Montreal, US production will be performed in Montreal and US (Mobile) and as I have recently learned, not only A220-300 production, also the A220-100 is allowed to be produced in Mobile (if done, is another question).
Regarding further ramp of of the production over the 160 A220 per year globally; as example, the biggest issue now for Airbus in Hamburg is to find additional workers and engineers. It seems to be the main reason, why the next A321 FAL will be build in Toulouse (as not as prior/years ago internally clarified, all A321 production lines will stay in Hamburg). Also Toulouse has not enough workers and engineers, but more than Hamburg. Next to suppliers, not able to deliver material and to ramp up the production, are the lack of workers and engineers in Europe in the meanwhile.

In Montreal, Airbus has bought already (or is still trying) much land around the existing facilities of the A220 FAL (Airbus and Bombardier); it is around 8 times the size of the existing area. The Bombardier workers and engineers are good to excellent experienced and trained. Mitsubishi will close the CRJ production 2020? or 2021?

I would know, where I (as armchair Arbus Ceo) would build the next FAL to further increase the A220 production; there were the workers and engineers will be available. And pretty sure, the Canadian government will support as good as possible and will do nearly everything.

Re: Milestone: Airbus launches A220 production at Alabama facility

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:30 pm
by ExMilitaryEng
T4thH: interresting post, thanks!

FWIW, Airbus commitments were with the Québec gouvernment rather than with the Canadian gouvernment - the Feds did not invest much in the CSeries program itself and had no equity ownership...