Updated: American Airlines Increases International Presence, Makes First Entrance Into Africa

mcogator · Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:06 am

jcc747 wrote:
gdg9 wrote:
AA announced they are sponsoring the Los Angeles Rams' new stadium. Is this the 'big' announcement?

No they are only sponsoring the plaza outside of the main entrance to the stadium (for $90 million). The stadium itself has not yet been named. The big AAnouncement will be about new routes or else they wouldn't have involved Vasu Raja in the video.

Dodge stadium. Home of the Rams and Chargers. Makes the most sense to me.

flyingisthebest · Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:32 am

millionsofmiles wrote:
flyingisthebest wrote:
Since everyone is obsessed with KUL.. How about HNL-KUL? Closest place with plenty of flights to AA hubs. Monopoly market plus the AA 788 are suitable with the small J cabins.

Personally I don’t see BNE-LAX announced as UA would have been on it already if there was demand. Just because QF has cut QF55/56 doesn’t mean the capacity is gone it just got redistributed to SFO. Besides LAX was so popular due to the need to go via LAX to a double connect in the states and really was the only flight to the US from BNE. That is now eliminated with ORD. The market is right sizing. Remember VA fly a 77W 6x a week to LAX as well.

If anything DFW-BNE is perfect for the market and AA has the right J/Y mix for the BNE market. 3x a week.

If we are going to have fun AA will be painting a 787-9 in Pan Am colours with a small American logo at the front in honour of Pan Am’s Miami hub. With this 787 American will announce a RTW flight with routing of PHL-CMN-JNB-KUL-BNE-DFW-MIA.

Why would AA honor Pan Am’s MIA hub? Pan Am’s MIA operation went largely to United.

Just having a bit of fun lol See how ridiculous this can get...

QuawerAir · Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:38 am

Maybe AA will dehub DFW :lol:

Checklist787 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:58 am

Dieuwer wrote:
They will never ever order a Boeing plane again?

A huuuuge Boeing order! :biggrin:

Checklist787 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:08 am

thekorean wrote:
777-9 orders?

A huge NMA-797X orders / Memorundum Of Understanding

And Aut :eek:

risation To Offer from Boeing

RickNRoll · Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:14 am

The best frequent flyer program ever!

usxguy · Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:19 am

AA is settling the old TWA Israel debt?

etops1 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:57 am

Thats already been settled .

etops1 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:08 am

Philadelphia (PHL) to Casablanca, Morocco (CMN) begins June 4
Dallas-Fort Worth (DFW) to Tel Aviv, Israel (TLV) begins Sept. 9
Chicago (ORD) to Krakow, Poland (KRK) begins May 7
ORD to Budapest, Hungary (BUD) begins May 7
ORD to Prague, Czech Republic (PRG) begins May 8

hagela · Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:16 am

Here's a cool interactive map of the destinations: http://news.aa.com/American-Airlines-Su ... 0-Network/ they linked in their press release, which is formatted much nicer than the one above: http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... to-Africa/

millionsofmiles · Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:21 am

Where are the Oceania and Asia announcements?

Ishrion · Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:27 am

Amazing! No cuts so far?

This brings AA into the 6 continent club. AA will be the only U.S. carrier into Poland and Morocco.

This is honestly pretty big.

QuawerAir · Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:27 am

A bit disappointed to see the announcement being this narrow as I expected to see several new routes. However, I'm glad they'll fly to Casablanca.

PlaneMad134 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:28 am

There is due to be another announcement soon regarding Europe frequencys and cuts and all the Asia routes.

bobdarvey · Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am

smokeybandit wrote:
They're rebranding as US AIrways.

America West Airlines !? (Go Cactus go !)

x1234 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:59 am

AA certainly knows how to create drama and hot air. Is the next announcement next week!? Why all the fuss? Why not announce all of them at once?

Ishrion · Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:06 am

From the Tell Me Why:
- Seasonal TATL routes from ORD will become more annual with season extensions
- Next big announcement/Tell Me Why next week.

Corpsnerd09 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:08 am

BLQ is being dropped but TXL and DBV are expanding

KEF is moving to PHL from DFW

BUD, PRG get ORD service. ATH keeps it

ORD adds KRK
PHL adds CMN

...and the oddball... DFW to TLV? Isn't that ignoring the largest Jewish/Israeli communities in North America in NY, Miami, Toronto? I guess it's not about the passengers.

lesfalls · Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:08 am

I hope that MAD stays as out of the 2nd daily introductions from DFW-Europe they were talking about it sounded like on Paris was going to stay around.

factsonly · Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:18 am

etops1 wrote:
Philadelphia (PHL) to Casablanca, Morocco (CMN) begins June 4
Dallas-Fort Worth (DFW) to Tel Aviv, Israel (TLV) begins Sept. 9
Chicago (ORD) to Krakow, Poland (KRK) begins May 7
ORD to Budapest, Hungary (BUD) begins May 7
ORD to Prague, Czech Republic (PRG) begins May 8

- PHL- CMN 3x weekly B757
- DFW - TLV 3x weekly B789
- ORD - KRK 5x weekly B788
- ORD - BUD 4x weekly B788
- ORD - PRG 5x weekly B788

So no daily service on any of the new routes.

DLHAM · Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:21 am

usflyer msp wrote:
How about moving TXL from PHL to MIA. TXL-MIA has a decent local market, no competition and can still be flown by a 763. Main problem will be predominantly German point-of-sale, something AA struggles with.

Then I would rather start MIA-HAM, as the HAM-MIA market is more than 50% larger than the BER-MIA market (2018: 22.058 vs 14.087 westbound). But I dont think that either route is the right one for AA.
Problem is - in case of HAM - only 16% share of business travelers on that route. I am very certain its not more from Berlin. A Eurowings or norwegian would surely work, but not AA I think.

HPAEAA · Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:22 am

Corpsnerd09 wrote:
...and the oddball... DFW to TLV? Isn't that ignoring the largest Jewish/Israeli communities in North America in NY, Miami, Toronto? I guess it's not about the passengers.

Yes, but There is already pretty healthy service from the northeast to TLV, from DFW though Texas gains a link for the christian market & the tech community which will help with the business demand - its only 3x weekly which is interesting..

Detroit313 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:24 am

Anyone knows if they extended Athens from Chicago until the end of October for next year? Prague, Budapest and Krakow say they are until the end of October so I would think Athens too?

filipair · Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:40 am

Kraków! Yay!!!! This expat is very happy!

BNAMealer · Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:10 am

Wow, DFW-TLV, didn’t see that coming. It does make sense though, considering Texas’s large economy and the fact that the east coast is already oversaturated with TLV service.

_AA_777_MAN · Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:15 am

Wow, going right up against LO and Star on ORD-KRK and ORD-BUD.

Ziyulu · Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:24 am

AA bringing back meals on domestic flights greater than 2 hours.

runway23 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:49 am

_AA_777_MAN wrote:
Wow, going right up against LO and Star on ORD-KRK and ORD-BUD.

Will probably end in disaster for both carriers and none will be there a year later.

Midwestindy · Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:52 am

etops1 wrote:
Philadelphia (PHL) to Casablanca, Morocco (CMN) begins June 4
Dallas-Fort Worth (DFW) to Tel Aviv, Israel (TLV) begins Sept. 9
Chicago (ORD) to Krakow, Poland (KRK) begins May 7
ORD to Budapest, Hungary (BUD) begins May 7
ORD to Prague, Czech Republic (PRG) begins May 8

DFW-TLV seems odd to me....

LAX772LR · Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:52 am

QuawerAir wrote:
A bit disappointed to see the announcement being this narrow as I expected to see several new routes. However, I'm glad they'll fly to Casablanca.

Wait, what? Five all-new routes for them on three different continents, and you're "disappointed" in some blah blah about "narrow?"

SCQ83 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:05 am

I had suggested PHL-RAK in the past so I was not that wrong.

International tourism in Morocco is booming.

Corpsnerd09 wrote:
KEF is moving to PHL from DFW.

So will DFW-KEF be unserved again?. It had 3 carriers as of last summer (AA, Icelandair, WOW).

aircountry · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:08 am

millionsofmiles wrote:
flyingisthebest wrote:
Since everyone is obsessed with KUL.. How about HNL-KUL? Closest place with plenty of flights to AA hubs. Monopoly market plus the AA 788 are suitable with the small J cabins.

Personally I don’t see BNE-LAX announced as UA would have been on it already if there was demand. Just because QF has cut QF55/56 doesn’t mean the capacity is gone it just got redistributed to SFO. Besides LAX was so popular due to the need to go via LAX to a double connect in the states and really was the only flight to the US from BNE. That is now eliminated with ORD. The market is right sizing. Remember VA fly a 77W 6x a week to LAX as well.

If anything DFW-BNE is perfect for the market and AA has the right J/Y mix for the BNE market. 3x a week.

If we are going to have fun AA will be painting a 787-9 in Pan Am colours with a small American logo at the front in honour of Pan Am’s Miami hub. With this 787 American will announce a RTW flight with routing of PHL-CMN-JNB-KUL-BNE-DFW-MIA.

Why would AA honor Pan Am’s MIA hub? Pan Am’s MIA operation went largely to United.

No AA didnt buy Pan Am it was Delta bought it. Only AA bought Pan Am's LHR routes. Then no AA to honor PA.

SQ22 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:12 am

Title has been updated accordingly.

jfklganyc · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:16 am

DFW-TLV should do as well as KEF

They have a giant European gateway and they are acting like TWA in 2000 with no other choice to fly to an oddball city from a mid continent hub.

What is the O and D from Texas to Israel? Even 3 days a week.

Chicago-Poland is a good move.

scbriml · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:22 am

After all that build up. Never has my whelm been so undered.

So many disappointed people. :lol:

enilria · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:24 am

Corpsnerd09 wrote:
BLQ is being dropped but TXL and DBV are expanding

KEF is moving to PHL from DFW

BUD, PRG get ORD service. ATH keeps it

ORD adds KRK
PHL adds CMN

...and the oddball... DFW to TLV? Isn't that ignoring the largest Jewish/Israeli communities in North America in NY, Miami, Toronto? I guess it's not about the passengers.

I predicted the KEF move. 3 carriers to 0. Cue FI to really-enter DFW.

Corpsnerd09 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:26 am

jfklganyc wrote:
DFW-TLV should do as well as KEF

They have a giant European gateway and they are acting like TWA in 2000 with no other choice to fly to an oddball city from a mid continent hub.

What is the O and D from Texas to Israel? Even 3 days a week.

Chicago-Poland is a good move.

Wouldn't be surprised if cargo is the driving force for this more than passengers. Houston has a big Jewish community, and they can pick up LA and SFO premium pax plus as someone else said, the Christian religious market, but that doesn't seem like a huge route driver as much as a 789 full of cargo.

x1234 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:32 am

Corpsnerd09, from what I've heard CARGO is HUGE out of TLV. Israel has the worlds largest generics manufacturer (Teva pharma) and Intel has a CPU fab in Israel too. Pharma and high tech are the cargo export drivers out of TLV and similarly high tech (specifically electronics without the batteries) are what drives cargo out of PVG/HKG/ICN/HND/NRT (one rumor is that the reason UA put the B787-10 out of PVG is its cargo capacity while getting more J seats).

parrotta · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:38 am

BUD/PRG is always a tourist triangle including VIE. Many tour operators combine them and also many of the cruise ships on Danube start or end in BUD and became extremly popular among americans.
BUD-ORD by LO might be convert into JFK and not relaunch in march I suppose or they launch LAX or MIA.
Great to see so many new long hauls in CEE.

ORD Boy 2 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:38 am

I think DFW-TLV makes United respond. They may have ignored LY's ORD-TLV but they can't ignore AA. Expect a counter announcement from ORD (more likely) or IAH.

millionsofmiles · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:39 am

aircountry wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
flyingisthebest wrote:
Since everyone is obsessed with KUL.. How about HNL-KUL? Closest place with plenty of flights to AA hubs. Monopoly market plus the AA 788 are suitable with the small J cabins.

Personally I don’t see BNE-LAX announced as UA would have been on it already if there was demand. Just because QF has cut QF55/56 doesn’t mean the capacity is gone it just got redistributed to SFO. Besides LAX was so popular due to the need to go via LAX to a double connect in the states and really was the only flight to the US from BNE. That is now eliminated with ORD. The market is right sizing. Remember VA fly a 77W 6x a week to LAX as well.

If anything DFW-BNE is perfect for the market and AA has the right J/Y mix for the BNE market. 3x a week.

If we are going to have fun AA will be painting a 787-9 in Pan Am colours with a small American logo at the front in honour of Pan Am’s Miami hub. With this 787 American will announce a RTW flight with routing of PHL-CMN-JNB-KUL-BNE-DFW-MIA.

Why would AA honor Pan Am’s MIA hub? Pan Am’s MIA operation went largely to United.

No AA didnt buy Pan Am it was Delta bought it. Only AA bought Pan Am's LHR routes. Then no AA to honor PA.

NO. AA bought TWA’s LHR route authorities. AA did not buy any Pan Am LHR routes. UA bought Pan Am’s LHR routes but only retained MIA-LHR temporarily.

enzo011 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:39 am

scbriml wrote:
After all that build up. Never has my whelm been so undered.

So many disappointed people.

Surely its just middle of the road?

avi8 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:41 am

ORD Boy 2 wrote:
I think DFW-TLV makes United respond. They may have ignored LY's ORD-TLV but they can't ignore AA. Expect a counter announcement from ORD (more likely) or IAH.

UA operates twice daily EWR-TLV on board Polaris equipped aircraft + SFO/IAD -TLV (although I forget the frequency). I think UA is well covered and does not need to respond to a 3 weekly American flight.

avi8 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:42 am

Midwestindy wrote:
etops1 wrote:
Philadelphia (PHL) to Casablanca, Morocco (CMN) begins June 4
Dallas-Fort Worth (DFW) to Tel Aviv, Israel (TLV) begins Sept. 9
Chicago (ORD) to Krakow, Poland (KRK) begins May 7
ORD to Budapest, Hungary (BUD) begins May 7
ORD to Prague, Czech Republic (PRG) begins May 8

Wasn’t PHL the European hub?

chepos · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:52 am

Whatever it was, some on this site will moan and complain about it not being exciting. Mind you, had it been an RDU-AMS flight or BNA-CDG on DL it would have been an out of the park announcement?

Glad to see TXL stick around and expanded, amidst all the rumors the route was going to get cut.

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MIflyer12 · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:54 am

There was the long thread on low/asymmetrical load factors to BLQ. When Delta couldn't make JFK-PSA work in partnership with Alitalia I never saw hope for PHL-BLQ.

ORD-KRK is interesting. I will surely test the Polish-origin market out of Chicago. NW's vaunted MSP-OSL didn't last long.

zakuivcustom · Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:55 am

So AA is taking the fight to LO by flying ORD-KRK and ORD-BUD. Glad to see AA expanding in ORD again, though, and nice to see more TATL to/from BUD.

PHL-CMN is expected with AT/RAM joining OW. DFW-TLV is all about tech from AUS and DFW Metroplex.

Eirules · Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:00 pm

Does this mean DFW-DUB is coming back next summer? I’d heard it wasn’t doing great

hOMSaR · Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:04 pm

airlineworker wrote:
Believe it or not, the company let the employees vote on the new livery and it won. No accounting for taste.

Wasn’t the vote actually after the new livery was released, and it came down to either the current one, or the current one with the old tail (which didn’t really go together well with the rest of the painted fuselage and new “flight symbol,” all of which would have stayed anyway)?

JAMBOJET · Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:04 pm

I'm sure this could easily change when United makes new ORD announcements but, for now, the difference in European seasonality and destinations total between AA and UA at ORD is astounding:

AA: Year-Round:
1. London

Seasonal:
2. Athens
3. Barcelona
4. Budapest
5. Dublin
6. Krakow
7. Paris
8. Prague
9. Rome
10. Venice

United Year-Round:
1. Amsterdam
2. Brussels
3. Frankfurt
4. London
5. Munich
6. Paris

Seasonal:
7. Dublin
8. Edinburgh
9. Rome

More dots at AA now, barely, but enormously more presence and volume by UA.

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