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Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:22 am
by MIflyer12
Miami wrote:
He also adds: “I consider it confirmed that this will be an all-encompassing and "very large" announce "covering everything."”


'Covering everything' is a big lift. I'm prepared to be underwhelmed. If it establishes more than 4 new AA destinations (not routes) I'll be surprised. Given that AA claims to service more than 365 destinations today that's a small increment.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:38 am
by JonNYC
hic787 wrote:
Unlikely at the moment, but hope to see expansion from AKL. Year-round to LAX and DFW could be a winner

Actually I'd say both of those not out of the realm of possibility at all.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:43 am
by GSPSPOT
That AA Twitter tease seems to hint at inflight service to a degree IMO.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:45 am
by JonNYC
GSPSPOT wrote:
That AA Twitter tease seems to hint at inflight service to a degree IMO.

I don't think it was at all meant to.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:46 am
by ramzi
I wonder if this has anything to do with the rumors of AA moving to T5 at LHR. I'm sure there's plenty more as well.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:47 am
by nighthawk
Ishrion wrote:
PlaneMad134 wrote:
I could see Edinburgh getting upguaged from Philadelphia to a B767/787/A332 or made year round as it was Edinburghs best performing US route! I would love to see Dallas Fort Worth to Edinburgh too though, never going to happen that one.


How do you know it was the best performing US route?


Especially when it's only been running for a month or two!

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:51 am
by Ishrion
GSPSPOT wrote:
That AA Twitter tease seems to hint at inflight service to a degree IMO.


Hell yeah! Can’t wait for in-flight sunscreen, spices, and puppet shows.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:52 am
by enilria
FSDan wrote:
enilria wrote:
jetblueguy22 wrote:
Finally admitting defeat in JFK.

Perhaps this is the rumored sale of JFK slots to UA. Perhaps in trade for LAX gates.


I don't see why AA would give anything to UA at JFK - the obvious routes UA would start are JFK-SFO and JFK-LAX, which are probably some of the stronger performers for AA at JFK...

I also don't believe UA's going to cede gates to anyone at LAX. Their current operation requires all the gates they have at the peak times of day.

They are already not using the slots. It’s really get something or get nothing.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:02 pm
by DaProf
spdbrd007 wrote:
^^ Hmm, could be naming the new Rams stadium the American Airlines stadium in Los Angeles


I can see it now, among the list of changes at the new stadium:

1. Capacity has increased from 70,000 to 120,000 in the same space
2. Half of the bathrooms have been removed
3. All food vendors have been replaced with LSG SkyChefs
4. The Rams receive a custom charter plane from an old MD-80, although all charter flights have to go through DFW
5. Only Season Tickets and Rams Premium will get assigned seats at the new stadium, basic tickets will have to wait in the parking lot for someone to call them and let them know if/where they can sit.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:12 pm
by filipair
Kraków would be awesome. Will it be from PHL or ORD?

Chicago has the benefit of 90k annual O&D demand (123 PDEW), much of which is in the summer.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:22 pm
by JFKCMILAXFLL
spdbrd007 wrote:
^^ Hmm, could be naming the new Rams stadium the American Airlines stadium in Los Angeles


Hey, why not? They already have an arena (Miami) and a center (Dallas), why not a stadium? Then they could have advertising showing the stadium with a 777 or 787 flying overhead on final to one of the 24s :mrgreen: (although I suspect being in Terminal 4, AA flights more often use the 25s).

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:34 pm
by kavok
JFKCMILAXFLL wrote:
spdbrd007 wrote:
^^ Hmm, could be naming the new Rams stadium the American Airlines stadium in Los Angeles


Hey, why not? They already have an arena (Miami) and a center (Dallas), why not a stadium? Then they could have advertising showing the stadium with a 777 or 787 flying overhead on final to one of the 24s :mrgreen: (although I suspect being in Terminal 4, AA flights more often use the 25s).


I highly doubt that if AA was going to purchase the naming rights to the new Rams Stadium, that they’d also buy the naming rights to the entrance plaza also (which they just announced).

Basically, from a company’s point of view, once you have the stadium, also having the naming rights to the entrance plaza is unnecessary and thus a waste of money. From the Rams point of view, if Company X has the stadium naming the rights, the entry plaza represents an opportunity to get some other corporation to pay for naming rights (i.e. you can double up and get money for naming rights from multiple companies)... which is what the Rams did with AA on their entry plaza.

Point being, the fact that AA bought the naming rights for the entry plaza essentially means they are out of the running for the naming rights to the overall Rams stadium.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:35 pm
by TangoandCash
Keeping the MD80s around for another decade or so?

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:38 pm
by QuawerAir
filipair wrote:
Kraków would be awesome. Will it be from PHL or ORD?

Chicago has the benefit of 90k annual O&D demand (123 PDEW), much of which is in the summer.

Where did you find the figures for O&D demand and PDEW? I'm just curious...

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:39 pm
by 9w748capt
Miamiairport wrote:
Probably a bunch of new International routes, possibly to Africa. For most AA FFs (elite) it won't mean much. Not anything that is going to impact most flyers.


Huh? How would AA adding destinations/a continent not impact AA FFs?

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:45 pm
by BWIAirport
9w748capt wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
Probably a bunch of new International routes, possibly to Africa. For most AA FFs (elite) it won't mean much. Not anything that is going to impact most flyers.


Huh? How would AA adding destinations/a continent not impact AA FFs?

I think their point was, if someone flies JFK-DFW weekly for work for example, it won't mean a thing to them if they add PHX-HND.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:45 pm
by aviatorcraig
Are they swapping Coke for Pepsi?

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:48 pm
by PHLspecial
No one has mention a possibly a mega sale for fares? Truly game changing

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:50 pm
by Insertnamehere
Probably just announcing the HND flights, T5 LHR move, and some more routes to Australia thanks to the QF JV.

India flights while I would love I don't think will happen for a while I would argue they are waiting to see how successful DL is with their JFK-BOM route before diving in with their own metal.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:57 pm
by windian425
Finally giving onboard WiFi free!

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:58 pm
by tjwgrr
Buying B6 to turn JFK into a mega hub

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:58 pm
by filipair
QuawerAir wrote:
filipair wrote:
Kraków would be awesome. Will it be from PHL or ORD?

Chicago has the benefit of 90k annual O&D demand (123 PDEW), much of which is in the summer.

Where did you find the figures for O&D demand and PDEW? I'm just curious...


2016 announcement of LOT’s direct flight https://www.pasazer.com/mobi/news/32348 ... icago.html

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:59 pm
by dabpit
My guesses (any combination of the below)
PHL-VIE/TLV/WAW/MUC/KEF/MXP/BRU (MXP move from JFK)
LAX-MEL/BNE/PPT/ITM/NGO
MIA-CPT/JNB/NRT

On a joking front maybe they are re-hubbing PIT?

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:59 pm
by enilria
Scarebus34 wrote:
This thread is already unbearable - y'all have no clue what the announcement is. Instead of guessing (most of which is ridiculous) go to bed and find out tomorrow.

Your mistake is that many a.netters are : 1) not in your time zone or 2) working night shift.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:00 pm
by enilria
dabpit wrote:
My guesses (any combination of the below)
PHL-VIE/TLV/WAW/MUC/KEF/MXP/BRU (MXP move from JFK)
LAX-MEL/BNE/PPT/ITM/NGO
MIA-CPT/JNB/NRT

On a joking front maybe they are re-hubbing PIT?

I wouldn't doubt AA would move KEF to PHL from DFW. Makes MUCH more sense, although FI will add DFW if they do.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:03 pm
by oldannyboy
mmmm...let's see...make a few thousands of workers redundant, add more seats in Y, de-hub some random airport, externalize more ground work, cut mainline flying and start offering Mc$hyte & Coke in lieu of real food for a moderate charge on domestic flights over 5hrs....

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:07 pm
by Aeroflot001
x1234 wrote:
zakuivcustom, there is NO market for MIA-NRT/HND and any Latin connections to the major cities can be handled via DFW or LAX. DFW-HND is launched (and one of the DFW-NRT frequencies is cancelled, DFW-NRT is timed for on-ward Asia connections with JL, DFW-HND obviously for O&D).


There is a market for NRT-MIA, I would fly it, plenty of my friends in Miami have had to connect to get to NRT which is frustrating. There are 7 million people in South Florida and an additional million in SWFL which is a 2 hour drive. Miami also hosts a Japanese Consulate.

To say there is NO market is hyperbolic.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:09 pm
by 9w748capt
BWIAirport wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
Probably a bunch of new International routes, possibly to Africa. For most AA FFs (elite) it won't mean much. Not anything that is going to impact most flyers.


Huh? How would AA adding destinations/a continent not impact AA FFs?

I think their point was, if someone flies JFK-DFW weekly for work for example, it won't mean a thing to them if they add PHX-HND.


What? That makes literally no sense. So you and that other poster are saying that if AA added PHX-HND, it wouldn't be with their FFs in mind? What kind of absurd logic is that?

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:11 pm
by etops1
Announcement will be made on Thursday .New international routes covering Europe ,Asia ,and Oceana..

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:13 pm
by x1234
Aeroflot001, the PDEW numbers for MIA/FLL-HND/NRT are tiny (like 25 last time I checked) which isn't enough for a direct flight. Also someone hinted earlier an announcement on the 8th. I hope its TRUE or earlier!

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:15 pm
by 9w748capt
Aeroflot001 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
zakuivcustom, there is NO market for MIA-NRT/HND and any Latin connections to the major cities can be handled via DFW or LAX. DFW-HND is launched (and one of the DFW-NRT frequencies is cancelled, DFW-NRT is timed for on-ward Asia connections with JL, DFW-HND obviously for O&D).


There is a market for NRT-MIA, I would fly it, plenty of my friends in Miami have had to connect to get to NRT which is frustrating. There are 7 million people in South Florida and an additional million in SWFL which is a 2 hour drive. Miami also hosts a Japanese Consulate.

To say there is NO market is hyperbolic.


How many of those 9 million are willing to pay a premium to fly MIA-NRT nonstop in Business or First?

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:24 pm
by Ishrion
x1234 wrote:
Aeroflot001, the PDEW numbers for MIA/FLL-HND/NRT are tiny (like 25 last time I checked) which isn't enough for a direct flight. Also someone hinted earlier an announcement on the 8th. I hope its TRUE or earlier!


Why don’t you quote people instead of mentioning their names?

Also... isn’t the PDEW for DFW-TYO like... 60? In which, there’s 3 daily direct flights?...

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:25 pm
by Sooner787
They're bringing back the clAAsic silver livery :)

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:26 pm
by PSU.DTW.SCE
Whatever it is I'm sure a.net will go into a temper tantrum that its either too conservative or doesn't meet the expectations of a "big announcement"

Or maybe we are all wrong and its just a dance troupe performance at DFW again.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:32 pm
by SESGDL
etops1 wrote:
Announcement will be made on Thursday .New international routes covering Europe ,Asia ,and Oceana..


And considering how AA's widebody fleet really isn't going to grow anytime soon, it will also likely include a number of cuts as well (although they'll either not be included with this announcement or it will be buried somewhere within the announcement so as to minimize the cuts).

Jeremy

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:39 pm
by etops1
I believe TXL and BLQ will be axed .

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:39 pm
by sagechan
SESGDL wrote:
etops1 wrote:
Announcement will be made on Thursday .New international routes covering Europe ,Asia ,and Oceana..


And considering how AA's widebody fleet really isn't going to grow anytime soon, it will also likely include a number of cuts as well (although they'll either not be included with this announcement or it will be buried somewhere within the announcement so as to minimize the cuts).

Jeremy


According to fleet plan net increase of 3 Widebody frames at year end 2020 vs 2019. So may have a little growth if 767s stay thru summer. Also, I think some of the domestic/CUN 787 flying last winter was due to delay in QF JV so may have a bit to play with

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:45 pm
by Chuska
Sure like to see AA (as well as DL and UA) bring back widebodies on high frequency domestic routes and especially on LAX and PHX to Hawaii. I think Alaska should do a widebody order as well. It was great having AA put a 788 on DFW-ANC this summer.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:52 pm
by VictorKilo
A flight to CMN (or CPT or JNB) would put AA in the Six Continent club.

Changes to European seasonal flying, the move to HND, and adjustments with the QF JV check the boxes for four other continents.

An adjustment to South American flying would make this announcement cover "every corner" - every continent with scheduled air service.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:56 pm
by BWIAirport
9w748capt wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
9w748capt wrote:

Huh? How would AA adding destinations/a continent not impact AA FFs?

I think their point was, if someone flies JFK-DFW weekly for work for example, it won't mean a thing to them if they add PHX-HND.


What? That makes literally no sense. So you and that other poster are saying that if AA added PHX-HND, it wouldn't be with their FFs in mind? What kind of absurd logic is that?

Of course their FF are in mind with any decision, but like any business the decision to enter new markets is targeted towards attracting new customers who already fly or want to fly those routes and can now choose American. For people whose bulk of flying is done on existing, established AA routes, a new route does not impact their business all that much. Different story for shareholders, though...

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:57 pm
by Bricktop
Free WiFi.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:59 pm
by OlympicATH
My bet is on JFK-ATH.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:03 pm
by Ishrion
Here it is!

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

American Airlines has the most amount of aircraft of the U.S. carriers equipped with Premium Economy!

Joking... announcement soon, it looks like.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:06 pm
by Ishrion
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/stat ... 1606202368

Possibility of Turkey, Poland, and India stations, unconfirmed if related to this specific announcement.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:12 pm
by 9w748capt
Ishrion wrote:
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1159114791606202368

Possibility of Turkey, Poland, and India stations, unconfirmed if related to this specific announcement.


Turkey is quite shocking to me, especially given the current political climate both places.

I wonder which India route? PHL-DEL? PHL-BOM?

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:20 pm
by PSU.DTW.SCE
SESGDL wrote:
etops1 wrote:
Announcement will be made on Thursday .New international routes covering Europe ,Asia ,and Oceana..


And considering how AA's widebody fleet really isn't going to grow anytime soon, it will also likely include a number of cuts as well (although they'll either not be included with this announcement or it will be buried somewhere within the announcement so as to minimize the cuts).

Jeremy

Exactly.

Based on here:
https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com/st ... c50ba5b932

AA will retire 9 763s and take delivery of 12 789s in 2020.

Almost certainly whatever is being announced is going to have be offset by cuts and/or include OneWorld partner flying.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:34 pm
by Brickell305
BWIAirport wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
I think their point was, if someone flies JFK-DFW weekly for work for example, it won't mean a thing to them if they add PHX-HND.


What? That makes literally no sense. So you and that other poster are saying that if AA added PHX-HND, it wouldn't be with their FFs in mind? What kind of absurd logic is that?

Of course their FF are in mind with any decision, but like any business the decision to enter new markets is targeted towards attracting new customers who already fly or want to fly those routes and can now choose American. For people whose bulk of flying is done on existing, established AA routes, a new route does not impact their business all that much. Different story for shareholders, though...

I get the point he's making. I do think it's a myopic view though. You could essentially say the same for any route that any airline flies or has flown ever. As such, what constitutes a "big" route announcement then?

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:42 pm
by ODwyerPW
AA is going to spill the beans on the Qantas Sunrise decision when they announce new routes as part of their JV. ;p

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:59 pm
by 727LOVER
Is this going to be INTL only?
Seems to early to announce domestic routes for next summer.

Re: Rumor: American to make huge announcement

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:08 pm
by GSP psgr
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
etops1 wrote:
Announcement will be made on Thursday .New international routes covering Europe ,Asia ,and Oceana..


And considering how AA's widebody fleet really isn't going to grow anytime soon, it will also likely include a number of cuts as well (although they'll either not be included with this announcement or it will be buried somewhere within the announcement so as to minimize the cuts).

Jeremy

Exactly.

Based on here:
https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com/st ... c50ba5b932

AA will retire 9 763s and take delivery of 12 789s in 2020.

Almost certainly whatever is being announced is going to have be offset by cuts and/or include OneWorld partner flying.


Maybe JL taking over ORD-TYO lock,stock, and barrel as well as picking up say.....LAX-NRT? Maybe also having IB take over JFK-MAD totally as well? Maybe also BA picking up more of the summer seasonal capacity on ORD/PHL-LHR?