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danj555
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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:20 am

The way the article is written makes it sound like she was arrested AFTER the flight completed. So all these people who "feared for their lives" let this flight attendant work for the entire flight, and only after the dangerous bit was over did they complain that their lives could be in jeopardy.

If she was the danger they claimed, why didn't anyone (including the other FAs) say anything before the flight took off??
 
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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:04 am

Door4Right wrote:
highflier92660 wrote:
Not to minimize the seriousness of the flight attendant's alcohol infraction, but to say she endangered the lives of the passengers on an 84-mile regional airline flight that perhaps reached 10,000-feet is hyperbole. Did the passengers aboard that Air Wisconsin CRJ-200 really believe this woman would have been pressed into action like Karen Black? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v13Hxz0TLvM


Excuse me. This person is a required crewmember on a commercial airplane. Her job is to monitor safety conditions, passenger health and welfare, and security matters. Any number of things MIGHT have gone wrong, regardless of the type of aircraft or length of flight. Moreover, this was a solo-flight attendant airplane, which places even greater importance on her fitness for duty. What if a passenger needed medical attention or, God forbid there was a mechanical or other emergency? Just because she was unlikely to be called upon to fly the airplane "like Karen Black" doesn't mean that safety and security were not endangered by her condition. They necessarily WERE, in that those are the job of this person who was impaired.

If a FA isn't required, do not staff the position. Either FAs have a safety role, which I firmly believe that they do. Or not as pointed out above.

And it would inhibit my ability to get the full can of soda. ;)

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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:08 am

danj555 wrote:
The way the article is written makes it sound like she was arrested AFTER the flight completed. So all these people who "feared for their lives" let this flight attendant work for the entire flight, and only after the dangerous bit was over did they complain that their lives could be in jeopardy.

If she was the danger they claimed, why didn't anyone (including the other FAs) say anything before the flight took off??


Funny how you reference the article and then display clear proof of not having read it. First, it was a CRJ-200 with a single flight attendant. Second, passengers aren't responsible for "letting" crew work.
 
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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:13 am

I just hope she gets the help she needs.
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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:49 am

ual763 wrote:
However, there is a chance also that this FA was drinking ON duty (as in from the drink cart before boarding began). In order to curb this, there needs to be comprehensive inventory checks before and after every flight. One would think that this is the commonsense thing to do, but unfortunately it is rarely ever done on any of the US airlines.


Also, inventory checks would curb FAs from stealing entire bags full of Stroopwafels, Biscoff Cookies, etc. Cannot tell you the number of times I've seen FAs steal the snack bin contents. It only makes sense that without comprehensive checks they could steal the alcohol too. What's stopping them?


This is something that is partially being worked on but more to detect waste. The added cost of snack theft is negligible (alcohol theft is a whole separate issue). The issue is that so many different stations are out of XYZ liquor (for instance there has been two different extended shortages of Bombay this year due to distributor failures) and trying to audit it for accuracy is impossible.

Not sure how UA does their catering but for AA and DL flights operated by OO on such short CR2 flights, they often don't even break the seal on the cart to open it as it is usually a no service flight or a water only service and water, cups and ice are not kept in the galley cart where the alcohol is.
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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:15 am

EstherLouise wrote:
If I had to be an FA on a CRJ2, I'd be drunk, too. With the passengers always complaining: "The windows are too low." "My butt is numb." "My neck hurts."


But that is only on Anet fielld trips.
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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:16 pm

SpeckSpot wrote:
How much does a high-end breathalyzer cost, and why is it not routine for every flight crew member to take a breathalyzer test before boarding the flight, as a part of the flight briefing / preparation process.

I wonder whether there is a potential downside in that if a number is specified for the alcohol limit, it might make flight crews think that it is okay to go really close to that number but not over, instead of generously avoiding the limit with room to spare.


Totally normal in Russia at even small airports.

Problem is that here it is 0.02 limit now, but before it was 0.0 a year ago.

I like to drink Kefir or Ayran (sour milk product) in the morning with my breakfast and had a few failed tests that sent me to do a quickie blood test showing I was all good...

P.S. it was blowing like 0.01-0.02.
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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:07 pm

I wonder if she managed to conduct a exit row safety briefing....

Passengers in these rows probably would have noticed something. Yes I agree failure points at multiple levels.
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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:21 pm

EstherLouise wrote:
If I had to be an FA on a CRJ2, I'd be drunk, too. With the passengers always complaining: "The windows are too low." "My butt is numb." "My neck hurts."


I've been on that flight several times. It's a very short flight of about 18 minutes. I've flown longer CR2 flights on DL (ASA, Comair, and Skywest) those are almost unbearable. In all my flying on the ORD-SBN run I think I liked the Viscount and the CV580 the best.
 
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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:02 pm

USAIRWAYS321 wrote:
danj555 wrote:
The way the article is written makes it sound like she was arrested AFTER the flight completed. So all these people who "feared for their lives" let this flight attendant work for the entire flight, and only after the dangerous bit was over did they complain that their lives could be in jeopardy.

If she was the danger they claimed, why didn't anyone (including the other FAs) say anything before the flight took off??


Funny how you reference the article and then display clear proof of not having read it. First, it was a CRJ-200 with a single flight attendant. Second, passengers aren't responsible for "letting" crew work.



She absolutely had contact with other AA or airport staff on her way to the gate.

And of course passengers aren't liable to notify crew of a drunk FA, that would be ridiculous. I just find it interesting that if the pax "feared for their lives" why didn't anyone react to their "fear" in time for something proactive to be done about it. No one said anything to anyone before the flight took off, or notified the pilot in-flight.
 
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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:12 am

danj555 wrote:
I just find it interesting that if the pax "feared for their lives" why didn't anyone react to their "fear" in time for something proactive to be done about it. No one said anything to anyone before the flight took off, or notified the pilot in-flight.


If he had spoken up then he wouldn't have had the opportunity later on to reject the airline’s offer of compensation in the hopes of getting a much larger settlement because of his “fear”. He saw moneybags in his future. That was obviously more important than the safety of his fellow passengers...
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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:16 am

Most societies look at addition in the light of punish them and get vengeance. But she needs help and treatment and support. Once she is able to come back to be an employee she has nowhere to go and is going to most likely go back to that addiction again. Certain people are going to cheer on her being sacked and move on to the next hunt to find somebody else to go destroy.
 
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Re: Drunk FA fired (UA Express, ORD-SBN)

Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:21 am

Once again, blaming Air Wisconsin instead of United. And no comments about lack of safety.

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