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BA A350 Possible Damage

Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:13 pm

Just a heads up for all and especially those flying it the next few days.

The BA A350 has been damaged and will be out of service for a few days, it has received some flap damage today whilst on a Go-Around.

Not a great start for BA

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Re: BA A350

Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:25 pm

I'm curious to understand how the aircraft encountered flap damage during a go around? Was it linked to the strong winds the UK has been experienced with this weekend or a bird strike?
 
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Re: BA A350

Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:01 pm

I read on Twitter that the aircraft is not damaged as such but it was operated outside of it’s limits and requires a precautionary maintenance check.
 
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Re: BA A350

Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:11 pm

As in, it performed a go around and they didn't retract the flaps quick enough?
 
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Re: BA A350

Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:28 pm

Kindanew wrote:
I read on Twitter that the aircraft is not damaged as such but it was operated outside of it’s limits and requires a precautionary maintenance check.

Can you offer a link?
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:36 pm

Is it possible that we could get a link please? Without a source this thread will have to be marked as a rumor.
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Re: BA A350

Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:54 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
Kindanew wrote:
I read on Twitter that the aircraft is not damaged as such but it was operated outside of it’s limits and requires a precautionary maintenance check.

Can you offer a link?


https://twitter.com/aircmdrofficial/sta ... 62881?s=21

https://twitter.com/pilot_george_/statu ... 53056?s=21
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:54 pm

Well not entirely related but this is a tweet BA sent to a customer
https://twitter.com/british_airways/sta ... 28961?s=21

“Uncertainty of serviceability”
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:08 pm

To be super clear: not damaged. Needs an inspection
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:17 pm

Without a doubt a sensationalist title (Twitter), this kinda thing happens all the time. People wouldn’t repost nor care if it said “flap overspeed inspection,” however they would care, repost, etc with the title “Brand new A350 damaged.”
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:50 pm

I was watching live when the go-around occurred - it was due to spacing. Timestamped YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvkb_O-r8E&t=19500s
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:20 am

Likely a Flap Overspeed Warning, for operating the flaps outside the white arc.
Can cause real damage, or stresses that may become evident at exactly the wrong time. Requires an inspection.
Happens frequently.
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:32 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
Flap Overspeed

Anyone know off hand the max flap speed(s) for the A35K?
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Re: BA A350

Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:46 am

Kindanew wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
Kindanew wrote:
I read on Twitter that the aircraft is not damaged as such but it was operated outside of it’s limits and requires a precautionary maintenance check.

Can you offer a link?

https://twitter.com/aircmdrofficial/sta ... 62881?s=21

https://twitter.com/pilot_george_/statu ... 53056?s=21

LOL at DJ desperately trying to make something out of nothing.

Well it’s certainly not 100% perfect, so therefore it’s close enough to being “broken” to me

https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/ ... 3295854592
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:19 am

LAX772LR wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
Flap Overspeed

Anyone know off hand the max flap speed(s) for the A35K?



That would depend on which setting
is selected, larger settings have lower
limit speeds and vice versa
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:57 am

Goodbye wrote:
I was watching live when the go-around occurred - it was due to spacing. Timestamped YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvkb_O-r8E&t=19500s


https://youtu.be/4mvkb_O-r8E?t=5h26m58s

wtf is this thing? It looks like both a 747 and some kind of tri-jet.
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:01 am

Jouhou wrote:
Goodbye wrote:
I was watching live when the go-around occurred - it was due to spacing. Timestamped YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvkb_O-r8E&t=19500s


https://youtu.be/4mvkb_O-r8E?t=5h26m58s

wtf is this thing? It looks like both a 747 and some kind of tri-jet.

It's for fire testing
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:02 am

The A350 is still listed for today's 464/465 rotation, but I guess that can change as the day goes on.
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:11 am

Jouhou wrote:
Goodbye wrote:
I was watching live when the go-around occurred - it was due to spacing. Timestamped YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvkb_O-r8E&t=19500s


https://youtu.be/4mvkb_O-r8E?t=5h26m58s

wtf is this thing? It looks like both a 747 and some kind of tri-jet.


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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:15 am

zeke wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Goodbye wrote:
I was watching live when the go-around occurred - it was due to spacing. Timestamped YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvkb_O-r8E&t=19500s


https://youtu.be/4mvkb_O-r8E?t=5h26m58s

wtf is this thing? It looks like both a 747 and some kind of tri-jet.


It’s used for airport fire fighting training


Weird choice to train on an aircraft that doesn't really exist, the 747-dc10.
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:50 am

Jouhou wrote:
Weird choice to train on an aircraft that doesn't really exist, the 747-dc10.


It's practical, not weird. It allows for people to be trained a multitude of scenarios on a single test aid - eg. fire on a tail-mounted engine, or on an upper deck.
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:19 am

That wins the prize for the most boring go-around ever!
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:38 am

The A350 is due to operate today's BA464/465 so it's just a routine inspection but no damage - a flap speed limit exceedence can occur quite easily in gusty conditions. Most aircraft have flap load relief systems that will automatically retract the flaps a stage or two in the event of an exceedence to protect the flaps from damage, I'm sure the A350 is no exception.
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:22 am

Looks like significant overspeed if the plane got grounded. Normally these events are sorted quickly by maintenance.

There’s a ‘gotcha’ an all Airbus a/c during a go-around - if you leave the thrust levers in TOGA detent, the A/THR remains inactive and during a level off the plane will happily accelerate through flap limit speeds

From which fleets are the 350 pilots coming? If they have no previous Airbus experience they could easily get caught out...
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:41 am

817Dreamliiner wrote:
The A350 is still listed for today's 464/465 rotation, but I guess that can change as the day goes on.

G-YMMI operated this mornings MAD rotation BA466/467
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:13 am

Jouhou wrote:
Goodbye wrote:
I was watching live when the go-around occurred - it was due to spacing. Timestamped YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvkb_O-r8E&t=19500s


https://youtu.be/4mvkb_O-r8E?t=5h26m58s

wtf is this thing? It looks like both a 747 and some kind of tri-jet.


It's the pointy end of a 747 getting broke up & the ass end of a DC-10 that most likely also being broke up.
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:16 am

thepinkmachine wrote:
Looks like significant overspeed if the plane got grounded. Normally these events are sorted quickly by maintenance.

There’s a ‘gotcha’ an all Airbus a/c during a go-around - if you leave the thrust levers in TOGA detent, the A/THR remains inactive and during a level off the plane will happily accelerate through flap limit speeds

From which fleets are the 350 pilots coming? If they have no previous Airbus experience they could easily get caught out...


It will depend on who bid. It will be a mix of 777/747 and A320, I think. There are a very small number of training pilots who are flying the A380 and A350, on a trial basis.
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:18 am

rbavfan wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Goodbye wrote:
I was watching live when the go-around occurred - it was due to spacing. Timestamped YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mvkb_O-r8E&t=19500s


https://youtu.be/4mvkb_O-r8E?t=5h26m58s

wtf is this thing? It looks like both a 747 and some kind of tri-jet.


It's the pointy end of a 747 getting broke up & the ass end of a DC-10 that most likely also being broke up.


Incredible when some people make false assumptions, especially as the correct answer has been listed multiple times above :banghead:
 
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Re: BA A350

Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:36 am

kimimm19 wrote:
As in, it performed a go around and they didn't retract the flaps quick enough?


I thought A350 is all automatic.
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:48 am

thepinkmachine wrote:
Looks like significant overspeed if the plane got grounded. Normally these events are sorted quickly by maintenance.

There’s a ‘gotcha’ an all Airbus a/c during a go-around - if you leave the thrust levers in TOGA detent, the A/THR remains inactive and during a level off the plane will happily accelerate through flap limit speeds

From which fleets are the 350 pilots coming? If they have no previous Airbus experience they could easily get caught out...


What is different with Boeing? Are the slats/flaps re-set automatically in function of the airspeed on the Boeing planes?
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:39 pm

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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:01 pm

G-XWBA is live on flightradar and will operate flt464 to Madrid. Think the thread can be closed now.
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:14 pm

rbavfan wrote:
It's the pointy end of a 747 getting broke up & the ass end of a DC-10 that most likely also being broke up.


These are usually mock ups made out of more flame resistent materials than common aircraft structures. Helps to make sure the mock up doesn’t melt on every firefighter training session and can be re-used. :)

Ie. no 747 or dc-10 was harmed in the making of this mock up.
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 5:58 pm

Jouhou wrote:
Weird choice to train on an aircraft that doesn't really exist, the 747-dc10.


When they do training, they aren't training on the whole frame.

Today they are training on how to put out a fire on a tail-mounted engine. Tomorrow, they will train on how to put out a fire on a wing-mounted engine. The next day, they will train in evacuating passengers from the upper deck when the slides have failed. And then they'll train on evacuating passengers from the lower deck.

So this one rig allows them to do all of those different exercises.
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:11 pm

scbriml wrote:
That wins the prize for the most boring go-around ever!

If this thing indeed needed a flap overspeed inspection, I'd expect it was a lot less boring inside the pointy end . . .
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:26 am

817Dreamliiner wrote:
G-XWBA is live on flightradar and will operate flt464 to Madrid. Think the thread can be closed now.


As always regarding BA, full up to date information are available under: http://thebasource.com/
 
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Re: BA A350 Possible Damage

Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:18 pm

My flight out to Madrid yesterday morning was subbed for 777-200, but fortunately the trip home lastnight was on the A350-1000, which they had managed to get back in service.

It was delayed by about an hour, but we made a lot of the time up en-route back to London. Then when we got the gate we was delayed by about 30 minutes, as the ground staff had issues connecting the jet-bridge.

The crew on the flight were amazing, chatting to the few Av-Geeks about the aircraft and their job roles. Many saying how they still love the 747-400 and how the latest generation aircraft are not so nice for crew with cramped working spaces. The cabin crew were also saying how they can only be licenced to operate a certain number of types of aircraft, and by flying the A350, they'll loose their licence to operate on the 747's, which made them sad.

As leaving the aircraft we was also allowed to go up the flight deck and had a quick look around, was in there about 1-2 minutes. Understandably at 11pm at night, the crew want to be heating home, but got a few photos.

While the economy cabin was nice and airy, comfy seats and good IFE, I wouldn't rush to fly BA's version over any other airline, Still think the China Airlines A350 I few on LGW-TPE-SYD were nicer.

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