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Re: Scope-compliant Boeing-Embraer E-170E2: can it be done and still generate profit to airlines?

Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:10 pm

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There are only 3 ways to remove 12,000 lb from the E2-175:
1. shrink the body, perhaps back to the E1-175 length
2. Reduce the wing area, really shouldn't be done without a shrink.
3. Reduce fuel mapping for allowed fuel fill. Embraer really shouldn't go down that path without reducing the wing area and thus fuel volume.

The pilots have no desire to reduce scope. With a scope compliant MRJ in the works, why should they?

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or just make a E170-E2


It makes no sense, especially due weight limitation, to replace the excellent GE CF34-8E turbofan (2600 lb each) with the PW1700G (3800 lb). It has been said that with little investment, Embraer can make an enhanced version of the E175 with some cockpit, cabin and aerodynamic improvements and compete in advantageous conditions with the SpaceJet100, which no one knows exactly when will be ready.

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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:55 pm

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Alaska is strongly considering the 190E2 for Horizon.

Do you have a source? We have had many false hopes with Alaska.

I thought Horizon's weight limit wasn't enough for the E290.

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Rumors from an upper management source. I’m sure if this came to fruition it would make Horizon folks happy but would be not be good for the careers of Alaska flight attendants and pilots.
 
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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:30 pm

Pretty obvious order. Happy for Horizon!
 
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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:02 pm

https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug ... -e175-jets
Congo Airways orders 2 E175's,

Which it's not like ever selling aircraft is bad news, but it's still disconcerting when you've got a new operator that doesn't have fleet commonality concerns that they don't go with the E2 over the 175E1. Not exactly a vote of confidence in the frame. You'd think just to get orders on the books they'd give them E2's for the same price, the 175E1 is after all the one model Embraer hasn't had any issue filling slots for.
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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:06 pm

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https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug=1206673-congo-airways-signs-order-with-embraer-for-two-e175-jets
Congo Airways orders 2 E175's,

Which it's not like ever selling aircraft is bad news, but it's still disconcerting when you've got a new operator that doesn't have fleet commonality concerns that they don't go with the E2 over the 175E1. Not exactly a vote of confidence in the frame. You'd think just to get orders on the books they'd give them E2's for the same price, the 175E1 is after all the one model Embraer hasn't had any issue filling slots for.

Wow! An E275 launch order! This is great news.

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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:13 pm

lightsaber wrote:
iceberg210 wrote:
https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug=1206673-congo-airways-signs-order-with-embraer-for-two-e175-jets
Congo Airways orders 2 E175's,

Which it's not like ever selling aircraft is bad news, but it's still disconcerting when you've got a new operator that doesn't have fleet commonality concerns that they don't go with the E2 over the 175E1. Not exactly a vote of confidence in the frame. You'd think just to get orders on the books they'd give them E2's for the same price, the 175E1 is after all the one model Embraer hasn't had any issue filling slots for.

Wow! An E275 launch order! This is great news.

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Its not. Its E175.1
 
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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:45 pm

Amiga500 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
iceberg210 wrote:
https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug=1206673-congo-airways-signs-order-with-embraer-for-two-e175-jets
Congo Airways orders 2 E175's,

Which it's not like ever selling aircraft is bad news, but it's still disconcerting when you've got a new operator that doesn't have fleet commonality concerns that they don't go with the E2 over the 175E1. Not exactly a vote of confidence in the frame. You'd think just to get orders on the books they'd give them E2's for the same price, the 175E1 is after all the one model Embraer hasn't had any issue filling slots for.

Wow! An E275 launch order! This is great news.

Lightsaber



Its not. Its E175.1



It is a good news because it means they are still delivering E1 too.
 
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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:51 pm

VV wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Wow! An E275 launch order! This is great news.

Lightsaber



Its not. Its E175.1


It is a good news because it means they are still delivering E1 too.


Its definitely better than no news.

But its hardly good news that airlines continue to stay clear of a new aircraft EMB has probably spent $500m+ USD on developing [fuselage plug, unique wing, unique engine, probably new empennage and possibly new dedicated undercarriage].
 
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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:59 pm

iceberg210 wrote:
https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug=1206673-congo-airways-signs-order-with-embraer-for-two-e175-jets
Congo Airways orders 2 E175's,

Which it's not like ever selling aircraft is bad news, but it's still disconcerting when you've got a new operator that doesn't have fleet commonality concerns that they don't go with the E2 over the 175E1. Not exactly a vote of confidence in the frame. You'd think just to get orders on the books they'd give them E2's for the same price, the 175E1 is after all the one model Embraer hasn't had any issue filling slots for.


It is curious to see how Embraer's actions in the regional jet segment are underestimated. The EMB-145 family sold more than the competition in the 35-50 passenger segment (CRJ-100/200), the E-170/5 more than the CRJ-700/900, the E-190/5 jets more than BAE-146, CRJ-1000, Fokker 100, Comac ARJ-21, SSJ, B-717 .... The marginal cost of the E-175E2 project should not exceed $ 500 million something like 1/4 or 1/5 of MRJ's. When will people understand that the 175E2 is a reality and will find a market outside and in North America?
 
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:07 pm

Nean1 wrote:
iceberg210 wrote:
https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug=1206673-congo-airways-signs-order-with-embraer-for-two-e175-jets
Congo Airways orders 2 E175's,

Which it's not like ever selling aircraft is bad news, but it's still disconcerting when you've got a new operator that doesn't have fleet commonality concerns that they don't go with the E2 over the 175E1. Not exactly a vote of confidence in the frame. You'd think just to get orders on the books they'd give them E2's for the same price, the 175E1 is after all the one model Embraer hasn't had any issue filling slots for.


It is curious to see how Embraer's actions in the regional jet segment are underestimated. The EMB-145 family sold more than the competition in the 35-50 passenger segment (CRJ-100/200), the E-170/5 more than the CRJ-700/900, the E-190/5 jets more than BAE-146, CRJ-1000, Fokker 100, Comac ARJ-21, SSJ, B-717 .... The marginal cost of the E-175E2 project should not exceed $ 500 million something like 1/4 or 1/5 of MRJ's. When will people understand that the 175E2 is a reality and will find a market outside and in North America?


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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:59 pm

iceberg210 wrote:
https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug=1206673-congo-airways-signs-order-with-embraer-for-two-e175-jets
Congo Airways orders 2 E175's,

Which it's not like ever selling aircraft is bad news, but it's still disconcerting when you've got a new operator that doesn't have fleet commonality concerns that they don't go with the E2 over the 175E1. Not exactly a vote of confidence in the frame. You'd think just to get orders on the books they'd give them E2's for the same price, the 175E1 is after all the one model Embraer hasn't had any issue filling slots for.

I don't think a small carrier in Africa would want to be the launch customer and operator of a new engine and aircraft variant. Assuming a reasonably competent management, they'll consider the extensive product support network of the E1 and compare it to the potential fuel savings of the E2. They also need to get financing; who would give a small african airline money for a small fleet of jets with an unknown resale value and unproven economics? There's an economy of scale at play here and the E2 just hasn't reached the cricital mass yet.
 
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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:31 pm

Nean1 wrote:
iceberg210 wrote:
https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug=1206673-congo-airways-signs-order-with-embraer-for-two-e175-jets
Congo Airways orders 2 E175's,

Which it's not like ever selling aircraft is bad news, but it's still disconcerting when you've got a new operator that doesn't have fleet commonality concerns that they don't go with the E2 over the 175E1. Not exactly a vote of confidence in the frame. You'd think just to get orders on the books they'd give them E2's for the same price, the 175E1 is after all the one model Embraer hasn't had any issue filling slots for.


It is curious to see how Embraer's actions in the regional jet segment are underestimated. The EMB-145 family sold more than the competition in the 35-50 passenger segment (CRJ-100/200), the E-170/5 more than the CRJ-700/900, the E-190/5 jets more than BAE-146, CRJ-1000, Fokker 100, Comac ARJ-21, SSJ, B-717 .... The marginal cost of the E-175E2 project should not exceed $ 500 million something like 1/4 or 1/5 of MRJ's. When will people understand that the 175E2 is a reality and will find a market outside and in North America?


This is a strawman argument. Nobody has suggested that there's no market at all for the E275. What's an issue though is that the bulk of the regional jet market is in North America and the E-175 achieved massive success in large part based on its success in the North American market. Without scope relaxation, there's a real possibility that the 175E2 won't repeat the success of its predecessor.
 
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:47 pm

VV wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Wow! An E275 launch order! This is great news.
Lightsaber

Its not. Its E175.1

It is a good news because it means they are still delivering E1 too.


On October 31st, 3Q 2019, Embraer delivered 191 E170-E1, 612 E175-E1, with 181 firm orders to be delivered and 326 options for the E175-E1.

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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:40 am

Amiga500 wrote:
VV wrote:
Amiga500 wrote:


Its not. Its E175.1


It is a good news because it means they are still delivering E1 too.


Its definitely better than no news.

But its hardly good news that airlines continue to stay clear of a new aircraft EMB has probably spent $500m+ USD on developing [fuselage plug, unique wing, unique engine, probably new empennage and possibly new dedicated undercarriage].

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Well, I'm bummed. Embraer really needs any customer for the E2-175.

Any sale is of value. To gain other buyers, someone has to announce first. It looks bad to not even have a mystery customer.

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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:01 am

Scope clauses prohibit regional affiliates from operating aircraft that have more than 76 seats or maximum gross takeoff weight in excess of 86,000lb.

So, as i understand it, while the E175-E1 fulfilled the clauses, the E175-E2 with the new engines would put the aircraft over the arbitrary weight limit.

Both the airlines and the pilot unions should feel ashamed. The result of the weight restriction is unnecessary high fuel burn, by not been able to use the latest generation engines. Everyone needs to work together to combat climate change.

Maybe the only way is to make it illegal for employers and unions to enter into an agreement where the result is significantly higher, and unnecessary higher, pollution.
 
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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:47 am

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Scope clauses prohibit regional affiliates from operating aircraft that have more than 76 seats or maximum gross takeoff weight in excess of 86,000lb.

So, as i understand it, while the E175-E1 fulfilled the clauses, the E175-E2 with the new engines would put the aircraft over the arbitrary weight limit.

Both the airlines and the pilot unions should feel ashamed. The result of the weight restriction is unnecessary high fuel burn, by not been able to use the latest generation engines. Everyone needs to work together to combat climate change.

Maybe the only way is to make it illegal for employers and unions to enter into an agreement where the result is significantly higher, and unnecessary higher, pollution.


The mainline pilots will tell you the airlines could fly E2s any time they want with mainline pilots.
 
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:46 pm

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reidar76 wrote:
Scope clauses prohibit regional affiliates from operating aircraft that have more than 76 seats or maximum gross takeoff weight in excess of 86,000lb.

So, as i understand it, while the E175-E1 fulfilled the clauses, the E175-E2 with the new engines would put the aircraft over the arbitrary weight limit.

Both the airlines and the pilot unions should feel ashamed. The result of the weight restriction is unnecessary high fuel burn, by not been able to use the latest generation engines. Everyone needs to work together to combat climate change.

Maybe the only way is to make it illegal for employers and unions to enter into an agreement where the result is significantly higher, and unnecessary higher, pollution.


The mainline pilots will tell you the airlines could fly E2s any time they want with mainline pilots.


Exactly. Mainline pilots' position is very clear on this.
Actually, in the grand scheme of things, regional pilots have been so badly hurt by whipsaw -- they are not natural allies for scope relaxation.

In case pilot shortage starts to really sting, pilot unions might engineer a "scope clause sunset" coup, and this nonsense of "we like this aircraft, but cannot buy it, as we don't want to expand our mainline fleet, but it's too big for our 'regional/outsourcing partners'" would end, and airplanes would be judged without mental blocks like "it's a pound too heavy to fit into our scope clause"...
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:17 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
reidar76 wrote:
Scope clauses prohibit regional affiliates from operating aircraft that have more than 76 seats or maximum gross takeoff weight in excess of 86,000lb.

So, as i understand it, while the E175-E1 fulfilled the clauses, the E175-E2 with the new engines would put the aircraft over the arbitrary weight limit.

Both the airlines and the pilot unions should feel ashamed. The result of the weight restriction is unnecessary high fuel burn, by not been able to use the latest generation engines. Everyone needs to work together to combat climate change.

Maybe the only way is to make it illegal for employers and unions to enter into an agreement where the result is significantly higher, and unnecessary higher, pollution.


The mainline pilots will tell you the airlines could fly E2s any time they want with mainline pilots.


Exactly. Mainline pilots' position is very clear on this.
Actually, in the grand scheme of things, regional pilots have been so badly hurt by whipsaw -- they are not natural allies for scope relaxation.

In case pilot shortage starts to really sting, pilot unions might engineer a "scope clause sunset" coup, and this nonsense of "we like this aircraft, but cannot buy it, as we don't want to expand our mainline fleet, but it's too big for our 'regional/outsourcing partners'" would end, and airplanes would be judged without mental blocks like "it's a pound too heavy to fit into our scope clause"...


More likely, RJ routes can’t generate the revenue to keep service there due to economics of crew costs.
 
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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:35 pm

reidar76 wrote:
Scope clauses prohibit regional affiliates from operating aircraft that have more than 76 seats or maximum gross takeoff weight in excess of 86,000lb.

So, as i understand it, while the E175-E1 fulfilled the clauses, the E175-E2 with the new engines would put the aircraft over the arbitrary weight limit.

Both the airlines and the pilot unions should feel ashamed. The result of the weight restriction is unnecessary high fuel burn, by not been able to use the latest generation engines. Everyone needs to work together to combat climate change.

Maybe the only way is to make it illegal for employers and unions to enter into an agreement where the result is significantly higher, and unnecessary higher, pollution.


How about you put your paycheque or job on the line for climate change first before telling others to do it?

There's absolutely nothing stopping carriers from operating any aircraft they want. The scope clause is dispute is entirely about what the crews get paid. It's incredible that you tell pilots and flight attendants to take the hit for the sake of climate change and not the shareholders who simply want to squeeze crews for every drop.

Also, the 175-E2 isn't just heavier. It's got more seats. This is a big part of why mainline pilots are also opposed to scope relaxation.
 
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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:39 pm

Could Embrear put the old engines on the new E2 frame to make the 175 scope compliant? or is that pointless?

My thinking is the new wing and materials might make its more efficient?
 
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Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:45 pm

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Could Embrear put the old engines on the new E2 frame to make the 175 scope compliant? or is that pointless?

My thinking is the new wing and materials might make it's more efficient?

I mean you could maybe get away with that but you're pushing it really close to getting under 86K, cause the E-175 standard MTOW is 89K right now, and its just paper derated, and you're adding at least 2,400 pounds of weight just in engines CF-34-8E vs PW1700G. The only real way to do that would either be to drop to a 70 seat max configuration or severally reduce the range. I personally suspect this generation may find a way to get just under the cap but this is basically the last generation that is possible for.
 
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Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:15 pm

First E175-E2, PR-ZXM, msn 17020006, performed its maiden flight today.

Congratulations to all involved !!!

We promised, we delivered ...

Source: https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug ... den-flight

First E175-E2 Jet Completes its Maiden Flight

Excerpts:

"São José dos Campos – Brazil, December 12, 2019 –The Embraer E175-E2 made its inaugural flight today from the company’s facility in São José dos Campos.
The E175-E2 is the third member of the E-Jets E2 family. The maiden flight kicks off a rigorous 24-month flight test campaign.

Embraer will use three aircraft for the E175-E2 certification campaign.
The first and second prototypes will be used for aerodynamic, performance and system tests.
The third prototype will be used to validate maintenance tasks and will be outfitted with interior furnishings."




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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:52 pm

reidar76 wrote:
Scope clauses prohibit regional affiliates from operating aircraft that have more than 76 seats or maximum gross takeoff weight in excess of 86,000lb.

So, as i understand it, while the E175-E1 fulfilled the clauses, the E175-E2 with the new engines would put the aircraft over the arbitrary weight limit.

Both the airlines and the pilot unions should feel ashamed. The result of the weight restriction is unnecessary high fuel burn, by not been able to use the latest generation engines. Everyone needs to work together to combat climate change.

Maybe the only way is to make it illegal for employers and unions to enter into an agreement where the result is significantly higher, and unnecessary higher, pollution.

I'm sure pilots could be enticed to give up more scope if they were compensated for it. Actually I know several who would because they realize the regionals feed their hubs from airports mainline couldn't serve economically.
 
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Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:04 pm

Well done EMB and all involved.

Now hopefully for some market traction!
 
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:50 pm

Recent developments:

- Azul confirmed the addition of another 24 E195-E2 aircraft to its initial order of 51 units, making a total of 75 units, under a leasing agreement from AerCap, upgrading the order for 21 aircraft in made in late 2018.
Source: https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/azuls-u ... tegy-plan/

- Belarussian operator Belavia has signed for three of the re-engined Embraer 195-E2 regional jet, expanding its operations with the E-Jet family.
Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/belav ... 46.article

- Helvetic Airways is considering to order E195-E2:
Source: https://www.airway1.com/helvetic-airway ... e-e190-e2/

"Tobias Pogorevc, Helvetic Airways´ CFO, was very interested in the E195-E2, the largest member of the family, which was presented in Zurich. “We want to take a closer look at the aircraft and we are talking to Embraer thinking that the 195 would complement the 190 very well. It is quite possible that we will buy the 195,” he said."
 
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Re: E2 sales campaigns and design discussion/scope

Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:20 pm

The EU seems quite determined to use antitrust regulators to give Airbus A220 an edge in this dispute. It seems that "the best and most amazing airplane in the world" needs all the help it can get ...

https://leehamnews.com/2020/02/24/ponti ... v-hostage/
 
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:36 pm

Helvetic Airways Upgrades Embraer E2 Order

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https://embraer.com/global/en/news?slug ... r-e2-order

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Amsterdam, Netherlands, July 15th, 2020
Helvetic Airways has signed a commitment with Embraer to convert four of their remaining firm orders to the larger E195-E2 aircraft.
The original order, for 12 E190-E2s with purchase rights for a further 12, and conversion rights to E195-E2, was announced in September 2018.
Embraer has so far delivered five E190-E2s to Helvetic Airways, and all deliveries of the remaining seven aircraft, including the four E195-E2s, will be completed before the end of 2021, with the majority in the first half of 2021.

The remaining firm order for the seven aircraft to be delivered has a value of USD 480 million, based on current list prices.
With all the purchase rights being exercised, the deal has a list price of USD 1.25 billion.

Picture courtesy by Embraer:

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Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:50 pm

At this point, confirming 2021 deliveries is a good thing! Sadly, there is discussion in other threads about scope being automatically reduced to 70 seat RJs if pilot furloughs exceed thresholds. (Stated as 2016 pilot quantities). Everyone should recall the scope increase to allow 76 seaters had conditions which are at risk of going into reverse.

As a Pratt fan, I hope for new sales, but now is the hunker down stage.

Nean1 wrote:
The EU seems quite determined to use antitrust regulators to give Airbus A220 an edge in this dispute. It seems that "the best and most amazing airplane in the world" needs all the help it can get ...

https://leehamnews.com/2020/02/24/ponti ... v-hostage/

That saga is over. There are other threads to discuss the arbitration:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1381717

Until something starts selling, it doesn't matter what aircraft one is a fan of. The coming years will be brutal.

This thread facinated me as I thought the E2 would win at least one of:
1. AeroMexico. Now bankrupt and looking to downsize regional fleet.
2. TAP Portugal: bankrupt and all purchase plans on hold.
3. Qantas: Everything in stasis. Probably one of the first campaigns to restart.
4. Thai, Korean, Vietnamese, and Indian LCC. I cannot imagine a new fleet type ordered before 2025. :cry2:
5. IAG's regional order. Would they go as Air France or KLM? This order might restart in 2022, I doubt before the Farnborough air show of that year.
6. Small planes for UA and AA. As thus was to boost allowed 76 seat flying, I cannot see an order before 2024.
7. Myanmar kicking the tires of 100 to 130 seat jets last year facinated me. I'm not expecting any interest again before 2026.

This segment has it tough. The E2 was launched in 2013. With the coming consolidation in US RJ flying, I'm curious as to their plan forward.


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Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:11 pm

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Helvetic Airways Upgrades Embraer E2 Order


Helvetic Airways has signed a commitment with Embraer to convert four of their remaining firm orders to the larger E195-E2 aircraft.

I wonder if this availability was opened up from deferred 195E2's or were they simply slots that would have been the 190E2's anyway?
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Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:39 am

Embraer's CEO announced this week that they will reduce the speed in the certification process of the 175E2 and will pushes it back to 2023. (sorry no sources in english about this yet, only in portuguese at https://www.aeroin.net/embraer-posterga ... ser-amigo/ )

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Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos