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Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:46 am
by crownvic
I posted this same question in Travel Polls and Preferences but got zero replies...Does anyone know who operated the very last passenger revenue flight of the L-1011? Where and When?? I am not interested in RAF or corporate (Sands etc.), and DONT need a history of US Airlines and their last service as it was years earlier..
Thai Sky?? Euroatlantic?? Barq??

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:27 am
by cedarjet
Luzair maybe?

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:34 am
by TurboJet707
According to Wikipedia, the last European commercial operator of the L-1011 was the Portuguese carrier EuroAtlantic Airways, who used the Tristar until 2010: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroAtlantic_Airways. This was CS-TEB. There's a good chance that this was also the world's last commercial L-1011 operator. I wouldn't know of any commercial L-1011 operations after 2010.

Other late TriStar users were Luzair, another Portuguese company specialised in wet-leasing, and ATA (American Trans Air).

Luzair's L-1011-500 CS-TMR was stored for three years at Amsterdam after two consecutive RTO's in summer 2004, while operating for Dutch Caribbean Airways. After sitting idle for years on the east apron of AMS, when the plane was already starting to look very sad and scrapping seemed to be near, the owners unexpectedly decided to invest in it. It got some heavy maintenance and had replacement engines + landing gear installed, and I could see it fly away from AMS under its own power in July 2007. However, it never returned to revenue service and it was parked in Victorville a few weeks later. Very strange, the overhaul at AMS must have cost a fortune.

I also remember seeing an ATA L-1011 depart from Budapest, it must have been in September 2006. I didn't catch the registration. The distinctive roar of those three RB-211s... it was spine-tingling. I hadn't expected to see it at all, and I remember feeling very conscious that it could very well be the last time I saw the type fly. It wasn't.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:54 am
by trijetsonly
There have been some football charter flights with the L-1011 by Rollins Air in 2011.



I have a hard time finding a source but as far as I remember during one of these flights there has been a significant error in navigating and the operator has been banned in Europe what marked the end of operation for the Rollins TriStar.

Barq Aviation is said to have done humanitarian charter flights between Africa and Asia until at least 2012. I have no confirmation regarding that.


The answer to your question should be somewhere there.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:39 am
by crownvic
TurboJet707 thank you...that answers it.. EuroAtlantic it is!

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:40 pm
by trijetsonly
crownvic wrote:
TurboJet707 thank you...that answers it.. EuroAtlantic it is!


For Europe it is.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:24 pm
by TheEuphorian
In Asia, the final L1011 operator is Thai Sky Airlines, a Bangkok-based airline that flew 2 ex-Delta Tristars in an all Y config between 2005-2006, and operated only to HKG and KUL.

At one point they had 3 L-1011 aircraft, 2 in an all-Y config and the other in a cargo config.

As of currently, only one of their Tristars survive, but as a bar in Bangkok, with the other 2 scrapped.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:55 pm
by dcaviation
TheEuphorian wrote:

As of currently, only one of their Tristars survive, but as a bar in Bangkok, with the other 2 scrapped.



Where exactly in Bangkok?

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:00 pm
by steady eddie
there's some detail about the bizarre Honduran Registered L1011 operation contained within the below, an obituary to one of the pilots who passed shortly after the fiasco flight.

https://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-449191.html

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:15 pm
by OA940
Are there any other L-1011s in service now? Cargo/charter/military/VIP?

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:21 pm
by Polot
OA940 wrote:
Are there any other L-1011s in service now? Cargo/charter/military/VIP?

There is the Orbital Science L1011 Stargazer, but not sure how active that is at the moment. I believe that is it- no cargo/charter/military ones in service and I’m pretty sure all VIP L1011s have been parked for some time now.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:14 pm
by jimatkins
Heard the RAF tankers have been bought by the operators of the Omega Air 707 tanker and will be coming to KRIV supposedly. That's about 80 miles from home so I'm looking forward to that!

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:23 pm
by haynflyer
dcaviation wrote:
TheEuphorian wrote:

As of currently, only one of their Tristars survive, but as a bar in Bangkok, with the other 2 scrapped.



Where exactly in Bangkok?


Here:
http://www.bangkok.com/magazine/chang-chui-bangkok.htm

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:46 pm
by CrimsonNL
TurboJet707 wrote:

Luzair's L-1011-500 CS-TMR was stored for three years at Amsterdam after two consecutive RTO's in summer 2004, while operating for Dutch Caribbean Airways. After sitting idle for years on the east apron of AMS, when the plane was already starting to look very sad and scrapping seemed to be near, the owners unexpectedly decided to invest in it. It got some heavy maintenance and had replacement engines + landing gear installed, and I could see it fly away from AMS under its own power in July 2007. However, it never returned to revenue service and it was parked in Victorville a few weeks later. Very strange, the overhaul at AMS must have cost a fortune.



I remember that aircraft very well, rumours had it she had mushrooms growing in the cabin from being stored in the Dutch climate without any protection. I seem to recall that they got a special ferry permit from the Dutch CAA in order to get it out of AMS. The airport (and regulators I'm sure) were naturally eager to get rid of it. The permit had some sort of clause that they had to depart AMS' RWY 24, and to fly a runway heading of a specified amount of miles. A RWY 24 departure takes you over the North Sea pretty much right away, and they were only allowed to resume their flightplan after a set amount of miles from the coast and out of Dutch airspace.

IIRC there was only one occasion after that when a civil Tristar visited AMS. It was either LuzAir or EuroAtlantic, it was Portuguese for sure. This was at a time when the Dutch ArkeFly was running a less then reliable operation. One of their 767's got grounded and they were so desperate that they flew in a Tristar from Portugal. From what I remember the Dutch CAA met them on arrival, and quickly determined that no Dutch passengers were going to fly on that aircraft. It was send back to Portugal empty!

Martijn

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:58 pm
by catiii
still for my money the best looking airplane their is. I got a bid into it as a S/O pretty quickly after being hired at DL and loved every minute of flying it.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:37 pm
by GCT64
jimatkins wrote:
Heard the RAF tankers have been bought by the operators of the Omega Air 707 tanker and will be coming to KRIV supposedly. That's about 80 miles from home so I'm looking forward to that!


They are owned by AGD Systems http://www.agdsystems.com/home.html
All 6 aircraft are still at Bruntingthorpe (having arrived there 5+ years ago), I don't think you'll ever see them at KRIV (or ever flying again).

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:10 pm
by ILNFlyer
I thought the RB -211 on these birds were recently de-certified so they could no longer fly? Thought I read that here on Anet somewhere.....if true none of the AGD birds will ever fly again....

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:33 pm
by Spacepope
ILNFlyer wrote:
I thought the RB -211 on these birds were recently de-certified so they could no longer fly? Thought I read that here on Anet somewhere.....if true none of the AGD birds will ever fly again....

I think that's just the early model engines. The later ones on the L-1011 should still be good. That's why I think the Orbital one got new engines and still flies.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:48 pm
by tapairbus370
According to the following page (It´s Wikipedia, I know), the last comercial flight was operated this year, 2019, in January!!

I really don´t know what to think....true or not??

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:49 pm
by triple3driver
catiii wrote:
still for my money the best looking airplane their is. I got a bid into it as a S/O pretty quickly after being hired at DL and loved every minute of flying it.

Lucky man, I remember they parked the last one less than a year after I got hired, I was too busy flying the 73N, but man that was my dream for a very long time, shame they retired it.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:45 pm
by tapairbus370
tapairbus370 wrote:
According to the following page (It´s Wikipedia, I know), the last comercial flight was operated this year, 2019, in January!!

I really don´t know what to think....true or not??



Forgot the page

[url]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_L-1011_TriStar[url]

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:51 pm
by L1011dal
My favorite airplane, wish I could ride or at least see one in operation again. I got to ride on the last Delta L1011 to Victorville for retirement on an employee non-revenue flight. A great experience and atmosphere on aboard with cockpit visits and more since pre-9/11.

http://www.L1011.homestead.com

has more info on last Delta ferry flight and how L1011's were used after Delta with different operators but all unfortunately grounded now.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:56 pm
by catiii
triple3driver wrote:
catiii wrote:
still for my money the best looking airplane their is. I got a bid into it as a S/O pretty quickly after being hired at DL and loved every minute of flying it.

Lucky man, I remember they parked the last one less than a year after I got hired, I was too busy flying the 73N, but man that was my dream for a very long time, shame they retired it.


Those were the days. I was off the 727 after 12 months as a new hire, into the L10 as a S/O, and on it for about 20 months before I got a bid back to the 727 as an F/O (still the best job at the airline). Then all hell broke loose on 9/11.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:00 am
by catiii
L1011dal wrote:
My favorite airplane, wish I could ride or at least see one in operation again. I got to ride on the last Delta L1011 to Victorville for retirement on an employee non-revenue flight. A great experience and atmosphere on aboard with cockpit visits and more since pre-9/11.

http://www.L1011.homestead.com

has more info on last Delta ferry flight and how L1011's were used after Delta with different operators but all unfortunately grounded now.


My signature is somewhere aft of the cockpit escape hatch.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:21 pm
by triple3driver
catiii wrote:
triple3driver wrote:
catiii wrote:
still for my money the best looking airplane their is. I got a bid into it as a S/O pretty quickly after being hired at DL and loved every minute of flying it.

Lucky man, I remember they parked the last one less than a year after I got hired, I was too busy flying the 73N, but man that was my dream for a very long time, shame they retired it.


Those were the days. I was off the 727 after 12 months as a new hire, into the L10 as a S/O, and on it for about 20 months before I got a bid back to the 727 as an F/O (still the best job at the airline). Then all hell broke loose on 9/11.

I remember, I nearly lost my job. I stayed on the 737 for several more years and eventually went to the 75/76 for the rest of the decade. One of the biggest decisions that I still ponder over is whether to go to the 777 or be a narrowbody captain. I chose the MD88 as I decided that I would get better scheduling and the payrates were both pretty nice, and I had an emotional connection with the aircraft, not so much with the Boeing. I decided that I would wait until I could hold captain, not something that would take too long at NYC. And then they closed NYC777 :cry: :cry: :cry:

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:11 pm
by RetiredNWA
triple3driver wrote:
catiii wrote:
triple3driver wrote:
Lucky man, I remember they parked the last one less than a year after I got hired, I was too busy flying the 73N, but man that was my dream for a very long time, shame they retired it.


Those were the days. I was off the 727 after 12 months as a new hire, into the L10 as a S/O, and on it for about 20 months before I got a bid back to the 727 as an F/O (still the best job at the airline). Then all hell broke loose on 9/11.

I remember, I nearly lost my job. I stayed on the 737 for several more years and eventually went to the 75/76 for the rest of the decade. One of the biggest decisions that I still ponder over is whether to go to the 777 or be a narrowbody captain. I chose the MD88 as I decided that I would get better scheduling and the payrates were both pretty nice, and I had an emotional connection with the aircraft, not so much with the Boeing. I decided that I would wait until I could hold captain, not something that would take too long at NYC. And then they closed NYC777 :cry: :cry: :cry:


What are you talking about?

Advance entitlement would have prevented any of what you are talking about from occurring.

You chose the 88 as a Captain over the 777 as a First Officer? This makes zero sense for “emotional connection”. There’s zero emotional connection with 0500 report times, the “Shuttle” or anything else. This post does not make sense. Where are you based now and what airplane are you flying?

You can PM me and we can talk about your career. You are making bad choices or I’m not reading something right.

-Trin

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:22 pm
by catiii
RetiredNWA wrote:
triple3driver wrote:
catiii wrote:

Those were the days. I was off the 727 after 12 months as a new hire, into the L10 as a S/O, and on it for about 20 months before I got a bid back to the 727 as an F/O (still the best job at the airline). Then all hell broke loose on 9/11.

I remember, I nearly lost my job. I stayed on the 737 for several more years and eventually went to the 75/76 for the rest of the decade. One of the biggest decisions that I still ponder over is whether to go to the 777 or be a narrowbody captain. I chose the MD88 as I decided that I would get better scheduling and the payrates were both pretty nice, and I had an emotional connection with the aircraft, not so much with the Boeing. I decided that I would wait until I could hold captain, not something that would take too long at NYC. And then they closed NYC777 :cry: :cry: :cry:


What are you talking about?

Advance entitlement would have prevented any of what you are talking about from occurring.

You chose the 88 as a Captain over the 777 as a First Officer? This makes zero sense for “emotional connection”. There’s zero emotional connection with 0500 report times, the “Shuttle” or anything else. This post does not make sense. Where are you based now and what airplane are you flying?

You can PM me and we can talk about your career. You are making bad choices or I’m not reading something right.

-Trin


Disagree. The Shuttle was fun.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:40 pm
by RetiredNWA
catiii wrote:
RetiredNWA wrote:
triple3driver wrote:
I remember, I nearly lost my job. I stayed on the 737 for several more years and eventually went to the 75/76 for the rest of the decade. One of the biggest decisions that I still ponder over is whether to go to the 777 or be a narrowbody captain. I chose the MD88 as I decided that I would get better scheduling and the payrates were both pretty nice, and I had an emotional connection with the aircraft, not so much with the Boeing. I decided that I would wait until I could hold captain, not something that would take too long at NYC. And then they closed NYC777 :cry: :cry: :cry:


What are you talking about?

Advance entitlement would have prevented any of what you are talking about from occurring.

You chose the 88 as a Captain over the 777 as a First Officer? This makes zero sense for “emotional connection”. There’s zero emotional connection with 0500 report times, the “Shuttle” or anything else. This post does not make sense. Where are you based now and what airplane are you flying?

You can PM me and we can talk about your career. You are making bad choices or I’m not reading something right.

-Trin


Disagree. The Shuttle was fun.


That may be the case for you.

But this guy is living in a fantasy land with his posts and whatnot...nothing makes sense. Even in Atlanta they’ll tell you that there wasn’t a class of DAL L1011 FE’s nor was there even and L1011 bid position available when this guy says he was on the airplane. The guys on the 1011 were in the back seat and they were by and large the over 60’s - the fleet just wasn’t that large in 99/00. Now he says he’s a 330 Captain with 17 years? I am *so very confused*

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:25 pm
by catiii
RetiredNWA wrote:
catiii wrote:
RetiredNWA wrote:


What are you talking about?

Advance entitlement would have prevented any of what you are talking about from occurring.

You chose the 88 as a Captain over the 777 as a First Officer? This makes zero sense for “emotional connection”. There’s zero emotional connection with 0500 report times, the “Shuttle” or anything else. This post does not make sense. Where are you based now and what airplane are you flying?

You can PM me and we can talk about your career. You are making bad choices or I’m not reading something right.

-Trin


Disagree. The Shuttle was fun.


That may be the case for you.

But this guy is living in a fantasy land with his posts and whatnot...nothing makes sense. Even in Atlanta they’ll tell you that there wasn’t a class of DAL L1011 FE’s nor was there even and L1011 bid position available when this guy says he was on the airplane. The guys on the 1011 were in the back seat and they were by and large the over 60’s - the fleet just wasn’t that large in 99/00. Now he says he’s a 330 Captain with 17 years? I am *so very confused*


I don't believe he ever said he was on the airplane. If you go up and read his post he said they retired the last L10 less than a year after he got hired.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:29 pm
by RetiredNWA
He said they retired the L1011 “less than a year” after he was hired. That would be early 2000’s. He’s also been a Captain for a very long time and indicates he’s on the 330...and that he bypassed the 777 to fly the -88 (?) and he makes very clear statements about the company, ALPA, et cetera. His “use of speedbrakes” post is so bizzare, it befuddles me that anyone could even make up such garbage. Methinks he hasn’t spent one hour in an A330....

He has given various dates of hire and various airplane types he has flown. It all doesn’t jive.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:37 pm
by catiii
RetiredNWA wrote:

That may be the case for you.



I think if you talk to many guys who flew it, especially with the 727, it was fun. Not sure what your experience flying it was, but it was a little flying club.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:45 pm
by RetiredNWA
catiii wrote:
RetiredNWA wrote:

That may be the case for you.



I think if you talk to many guys who flew it, especially with the 727, it was fun. Not sure what your experience flying it was, but it was a little flying club.


This isn’t about the Shuttle or the 727’s that we’re on it. I am sure it was fun for you, but I am not interested in reminiscing about the Delta Shuttle. That type of flying was Pan Am/Delta BOS/NYC guys and predated my integration and subsequent retirement from the line. I never flew the Shuttle, I never flew Delta airplanes assigned to the Shuttle and it was certainly not anything I am overly familiar with as it was not in base, category or seat. I am not trying to read anything about this Shuttle.

I am far more interested in this “triple3driver” — and his tall-tales of being a 2004 DOE A330 Captain, after “almost losing his job” and spending “a decade on the 7ER”.....

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:31 pm
by catiii
RetiredNWA wrote:
catiii wrote:
RetiredNWA wrote:

That may be the case for you.



I think if you talk to many guys who flew it, especially with the 727, it was fun. Not sure what your experience flying it was, but it was a little flying club.


This isn’t about the Shuttle or the 727’s that we’re on it. I am sure it was fun for you, but I am not interested in reminiscing about the Delta Shuttle. That type of flying was Pan Am/Delta BOS/NYC guys and predated my integration and subsequent retirement from the line. I never flew the Shuttle, I never flew Delta airplanes assigned to the Shuttle and it was certainly not anything I am overly familiar with as it was not in base, category or seat. I am not trying to read anything about this Shuttle.

I am far more interested in this “triple3driver” — and his tall-tales of being a 2004 DOE A330 Captain, after “almost losing his job” and spending “a decade on the 7ER”.....


Then I misread when you said a few posts above that there was zero emotional connection with the Shuttle. Must have been in relation to something else.

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:36 pm
by HIA350
no cargo version?

Re: Last Revenue L-1011

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:03 pm
by readytotaxi
Kind of, the RAF ladies were
Tristar KC1
Conversion of former British Airways TriStar 500s for tanker/cargo/transport role, four aircraft.
Tristar C2
Former Pan Am TriStar 500s operated as passenger aircraft, with capability for carrying cargo and also Aeromed, two aircraft