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Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:01 am

As of March 29, 2020 Iberia replaces the Airbus A330-200 with the new Airbus A350-900XWB excellent move! Tokyo moves many premium passengers I am sure that IB will do very well in NRT, besides daily operations are expected from June 17, 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/285807/iberia-expands-tokyo-service-in-s20/
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:58 am

Good move indeed, that MAD - NRT flight is one of the longest A330-200 flights out there.
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:11 am

Flight is aimed towards Japanese toursits visiting Spain I presume? Thats quite a big increase in seat load plus it is becoming daily from June 2020.
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:14 am

Well, highlight here is IB going daily and subsequent increase in overall capacity. Both A332 and A359 are quite high density when compared with other euro legacies.

Having said that, A359 enables them to offer W.
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:17 am

Did they have payload restrictions on the A332?
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:27 am

lesfalls wrote:
Flight is aimed towards Japanese toursits visiting Spain I presume? Thats quite a big increase in seat load plus it is becoming daily from June 2020.


Also Spanish tourists heading to Japan. Number of Spanish tourists to Japan increased fourfold from 2011 and 2015 and it is likely increasing ever since

https://www.google.es/amp/s/amp.europap ... 85958.html
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:37 am

Since CX flies MAD-HKG, IB should fly MAD-SIN and all the high yielding markets to Asia out of MAD are complete. They are easily make it work with Latin American connections.
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:06 am

Remains to be seen whether this upgrade in frequency and hardware will survive the Olympics to be held there next Summer.
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:11 am

Blerg wrote:
Did they have payload restrictions on the A332?

The IB A332's at 242T HGW versions so I don't think so. But some westbound winter flights are around 14 hrs.
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:56 am

x1234 wrote:
Since CX flies MAD-HKG, IB should fly MAD-SIN and all the high yielding markets to Asia out of MAD are complete. They are easily make it work with Latin American connections.

Probably would effect BAs stronghold in SIN which always seems to be the priority for the IAG group.
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:21 am

Yeah...why doesn't IB fly MAD-HKG? I know both IB and CX are OneWorld, so I guess they codeshare on CX 372...but still.
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:08 am

Scotron12 wrote:
Yeah...why doesn't IB fly MAD-HKG? I know both IB and CX are OneWorld, so I guess they codeshare on CX 372...but still.


Probably similar reason why JL doesn't fly NRT-MAD or AA doesn't fly ORD-MAD to mention two examples where there is, not enough market for both carriers within OW

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Remains to be seen whether this upgrade in frequency and hardware will survive the Olympics to be held there next Summer.


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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:45 am

As much as I appreciate the efforts that IB has done in the past to be able to compete quite decently to Asia both with PVG (where they see competence from China Southern), and NRT (alone), I don't see their product good enough to be deployed towards premium markets like HKG or SIN.

Do you really see IB there?
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:50 pm

IB is struggling with NRT and PVG - this increase in capacity is due to the Olympics, being the IB flight the only direct non-stop connection. I'm 100% the increased capacity will not make it to W20.

In the longer term, I don't think PVG will survive though. The yields are not there. The good feed IB provides is limited to Spain and Portugal - where it also competes with the LH and Air France-KLM Groups.

I cannot see IB attempting HKG and SIN. There's ZERO chance that it will work. Singapore Airline is struggling with their BCN connection // Thai cancelled their BKK flight few years ago. The ME3 have a big slice of the Spain - SE Asia market, which is very leisurely focused.
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:55 pm

I can't see what is the link between BCN and MAD for SQ.

MAD is a few times larger in terms of local market than BCN, as it can take pretty much local Spanish traffic from about +30 million people compared to max 10 million in Barcelona.
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:43 am

TC957 wrote:
Good move indeed, that MAD - NRT flight is one of the longest A330-200 flights out there.


Westbound NRT-MAD must be the longest, time-wise, scheduled A330-200 route, depending on the headwinds. Distance-wise, the longest scheduled A330-200 route is AR's FCO-EZE.
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:50 am

tobsw wrote:
IB is struggling with NRT and PVG - this increase in capacity is due to the Olympics, being the IB flight the only direct non-stop connection. I'm 100% the increased capacity will not make it to W20.

In the longer term, I don't think PVG will survive though. The yields are not there. The good feed IB provides is limited to Spain and Portugal - where it also competes with the LH and Air France-KLM Groups.

I cannot see IB attempting HKG and SIN. There's ZERO chance that it will work. Singapore Airline is struggling with their BCN connection // Thai cancelled their BKK flight few years ago. The ME3 have a big slice of the Spain - SE Asia market, which is very leisurely focused.

What about Asia-South America market?
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:18 am

x1234 wrote:
Since CX flies MAD-HKG, IB should fly MAD-SIN and all the high yielding markets to Asia out of MAD are complete. They are easily make it work with Latin American connections.


LOL IB will never fly to SIN. It would be a good route for SQ though; they already serve BCN.
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:11 am

thekorean wrote:
What about Asia-South America market?


There are faster connections (and more direct) via either QR, ET, EK or TK or the more traditional. US & Canada routes. From EZE & SCL one can also connect at AKL.
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:22 am

What about PKX for IB? That would seem like a more logical destination given that BA is already shifting its PEK flights to PKX, working closely with CZ.
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:27 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
What about PKX for IB? That would seem like a more logical destination given that BA is already shifting its PEK flights to PKX, working closely with CZ.


Regardless of airport, the Beijing metro area is already served by Air China, non stop. to Madrid, continuing to GRU on some days. Doubt there is room, yet, for two airlines competing on the city pair. PVG seems a more sensible choice. as they did.
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:09 am

thekorean wrote:
What about Asia-South America market?


I believe most of that is being flown by Aeromexico via its NRT-MEX flight.
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:35 am

What are the odds of IB getting Haneda slots?

Personally, I'd love to see an AMS, MAD service launched from HND rather than going all the way to NRT.
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:32 am

Iberia’s A350’s are a beautiful aircraft, but service levels are far beneath Jal. I did J from EZE at the weekend and the soft furnishings, meal and crew were mediocre at best.
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:41 am

dcajet wrote:
thekorean wrote:
What about Asia-South America market?


There are faster connections (and more direct) via either QR, ET, EK or TK or the more traditional. US & Canada routes. From EZE & SCL one can also connect at AKL.


Not only faster but most of the times cheaper.

From the largest markets in SouthAm (Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires and Rio) ME3 and TK get you to anywhere in Asia in one-stop while IB will only get you to NRT, PVG and HKG (CX).

From MEX, the other large market in LatAm there multiple one-stop TPAC options to Asia.

Finally, AF/KL have a sizable LatAm netwirk and much larger Asian one.

Bottom line for me is that LatAm-Asia is a very tough market for IB to compete. I don't see them expanding anywhere in Asia and agree that this is coming due to the Olympics.
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:20 pm

a350lover wrote:
thekorean wrote:
What about Asia-South America market?


I believe most of that is being flown by Aeromexico via its NRT-MEX flight.


And now ICN...with PVG set to be cut. I wonder if ICN might get up-gauged.
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:26 pm

I still think KUL could be an interesting route with all the OW connections. It would be an oddball because the O/D fares are trash, but business people connecting throughout SE Asia and Australia would definitely be all over that for a OneWorld option. Similarly a good option from SE Asia to S. America
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:17 pm

Interestingly.... the last two announcements of new A350 destinations for Iberia aren't transferred from A340 routes, but from the A330's network (SJO in December 19, and NRT from March 2020). On top of that, IB is dropping this end of August JNB which is just 3x/w but requires nearly a single A333 itself the whole week.

The whole plan of the fleet renovation at IB was to deploy the A350s at the same pace the A340s were going. At least one of these was due to leave the fleet this 2019, but seeing that they are now taking over A330 routes I am not sure what are they going to do with the "liberated" A330s?

Do you see IB announcing any "slim" markets soon? In the past we named IAD or even somewhere in Canada, i.e. YYZ? Those could be perfect for the A330. More towards its "home-markets", they could always aim to be back at places in South America such as Cordoba, Recife or Fortaleza. They are getting back to Guayaquil this December too. I agree with others here, I truly don't see IB with its own plane flying anywhere else in Asia...
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:27 pm

LupineChemist wrote:
I still think KUL could be an interesting route with all the OW connections. It would be an oddball because the O/D fares are trash, but business people connecting throughout SE Asia and Australia would definitely be all over that for a OneWorld option. Similarly a good option from SE Asia to S. America


Been there, done that. MH tried it for almost 15+ years, linking KUL with EZE, stopping at JNB & CPT. LFs were not bad, but the yields that would turn the route into a profitable one, were not. On top of that, the route was more political than commercial (the at the time Malaysian king had (or still has) horse ranches in Argentina. That tells you all you need to know. Pity, as it was a quick and direct way for Buenos Aires's ever increasing Chinese community to travel home. as well as for Argentinean and other South Americans to reach Asia. Many a backpacker could reach Thailand relatively fast and affordably, without having to travel via the US. the traditional connecting point to Asia. To Australia/NZ, there are plenty of non stop flights on LA/NZ/QF from EZE & SCL.

upperdeckfan wrote:
dcajet wrote:
thekorean wrote:
What about Asia-South America market?


There are faster connections (and more direct) via either QR, ET, EK or TK or the more traditional. US & Canada routes. From EZE & SCL one can also connect at AKL.


Not only faster but most of the times cheaper.

From the largest markets in SouthAm (Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires and Rio) ME3 and TK get you to anywhere in Asia in one-stop while IB will only get you to NRT, PVG and HKG (CX).
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Faster, cheaper and with better value for the money, Iberia still leaves a bit to be desired when it comes to overall service. Nice hardware, but the soft touch is still not there (read service on board & on the ground, etc.) It has improved, though.

A nit pick: Etihad no longer flies to South America. So it's ME2/TK and Ethiopian from both EZE & GRU.
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:25 pm

Southeast Asia and Oceania is well covered with Qatar. QR flies 3x daily from both MAD and BCN, with an extensive network in India, SE Asia and Oceania. In summer up to 1 daily from AGP.

So what's the point of IB launching 2/3 weekly to KUL to connect with Malaysia Airlines? I really do not see it.

Also, Asia - Latam... that train is gone. KLM/Air France have heavily invested in this, covering same destinations in Latam as IB but many more in Asia. IB cannot compete with this.

Anyway, SJO has seen the 340 many times - especially in high season, when IB plans to send the 350. Tokio is getting the 350 instead of 340 - no particular reason - capacity is almost identical between them (+- 3 seats). I'm pretty confident Tokio will be back to 330-200 in W20.
 
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Re: Iberia (IB) launches the A350 service to NRT

Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:33 am

a350lover wrote:
thekorean wrote:
What about Asia-South America market?


I believe most of that is being flown by Aeromexico via its NRT-MEX flight.


Hardly. MEX is not an efficient or convenient airport to connect, nor is Aeromexico a key player to Asia from South America. That's why Mexico City needs a new airport, but that is another story.

It all depends where from South America you are traveling from and where in Asia you are headed. It is not the same to start the journey in Buenos Aires than if you start it in Bogota. There are plenty of choices: from Emirates to Ethiopian, and from Air New Zealand to American Airlines, United, Delta, Qatar, Turkish, Air France/KLM, Lufthansa, BA....and the list goes on.
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