chiawei
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:03 am

Yossarian22 wrote:
AA100 wrote:
Yossarian22 wrote:
From following the #antielab on Twitter, it appears the Airport is shut again.

The protesters are violating the human rights of those who wish to travel. Preventing me from exiting the country is a violation of my human rights.


The protesters are protesting at the airport peacefully to raise awareness internationally. regardless of your opinion on their cause, they have not attempted to damage or disrupt flights, and have not attempted to enter airside or restricted areas.

It is not the protesters decision to close the airport. It is rightly or wrongly the government/HKIA airport authority choice to do this. So it is not accurate to assume protesters are violating your human rights. If you feel your rights are being violated, you may take other options to leave HKG including land border via train, bus, or car as well as ferry to Macau and Zhuhai.


https://twitter.com/racporter/status/11 ... 41664?s=20

They are blocking passengers from accessing the gates, that is why the airport is shutdown today. With my American passport and Chinese visa, I have the right to do go to Shenzhen or Macau, but not everyone has the right to simply go to Mainland China or Macau.


Fake news. No one can block access to gate. The protesters are only staging sit in on the arrival floor.
 
chiawei
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:06 am

Yossarian22 wrote:
B777LRF wrote:
Yossarian22 wrote:

So they hold a sign that says “Hong Kong is no longer safe”, but don’t let people leave the city they claim is unsafe?


You seem to operate on the misunderstanding, the world revolves around you. It doesn't, and there are far bigger and more important things at play than you having your travel plans somewhat disturbed.

As for the signs, any reasonable observer will understand they're aimed at people outside the territory, not for those who're already there.

There are numerous ways to leave Honkers which doesn't involve flying out of HKG. Ferry to Macau or a train to Shenzen are but two of them, and both are accessible with a minimum of effort. So you're absolutely free to leave the city, albeit perhaps not the way you intended. But when life serves you lemons, remember to make lemonade.


Perhaps, Hong Kong Airlines should issue travel refunds for all bookings for the rest of the week.

Yes, I am aware there are other ways out, I have a plan B and C.

Getting from Shenzhen to Shanghai is not that big of a deal, and I can afford it. But, there are going to be a number of lower budget travelers are are really being pinched by this, and could have trouble paying their way out of this situation. Booking a last minute flight from Shenzhen to the U.S. can be significantly more expensive than a flight booked months in advance from HK. Even just 200 or 300 dollars more for a ticket, would be a significant pinch for a family of 4.


Stop spreading fake news.

There are many ways to get to Shanghai from Shenzhen.

1. Train are usually cheaper.
2. Flight is also cheaper out of SZX.

HKG has always been more expensive to fly in and out to China.

Google flight can tell you such.
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:14 am

So all the protesters are getting through immigration and passport control to block the pax gates?????????
As for refunds It's not the airlines fault here, take up with protesters!
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:14 am

LAXintl wrote:
Not sure why it took so long to get this. Should have been obtained weeks ago during the initial protest at the airport.


One would then assume the protest at the airport prior to the injunction was not necessarily illegal.

Anyone with a legal background able to chime in ?
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:19 am

chiawei wrote:
Fake news. No one can block access to gate. The protesters are only staging sit in on the arrival floor.


I’ll give the poster the benefit of the doubt as not being a native English speaker.

One of the photos I saw posted on one of the links in this thread showed protesters at the entrance to security screening in T2, which is before immigration, which is before the “airside” part of the terminal.

They did not depict protestors within the airside part of the terminal.
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:22 am

zeke wrote:
chiawei wrote:
Fake news. No one can block access to gate. The protesters are only staging sit in on the arrival floor.


I’ll give the poster the benefit of the doubt as not being a native English speaker.

One of the photos I saw posted on one of the links in this thread showed protesters at the entrance to security screening in T2, which is before immigration, which is before the “airside” part of the terminal.

They did not depict protestors within the airside part of the terminal.


Blocking access to passport control is essentially blocking access to the gates. Your argument is purely semantics.
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:24 am

chiawei wrote:
HKG has always been more expensive to fly in and out to China.

Google flight can tell you such.


It has not always been cheaper, however airlines/flights out of HKG do not receive government subsidies.
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:29 am

Yossarian22 wrote:
Blocking access to passport control is essentially blocking access to the gates. Your argument is purely semantics.


Not to anutters, they understand the difference between public areas of a terminal and the airside part of the terminal.

Saying they were blocking gates infers the protesters entered the security controlled part of the terminal mixing with transit passengers which was not the case.
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:31 am

Yossarian22 wrote:
B777LRF wrote:
Yossarian22 wrote:

Perhaps, Hong Kong Airlines should issue travel refunds for all bookings for the rest of the week.

Yes, I am aware there are other ways out, I have a plan B and C.

Getting from Shenzhen to Shanghai is not that big of a deal, and I can afford it. But, there are going to be a number of lower budget travelers are are really being pinched by this, and could have trouble paying their way out of this situation. Booking a last minute flight from Shenzhen to the U.S. can be significantly more expensive than a flight booked months in advance from HK. Even just 200 or 300 dollars more for a ticket, would be a significant pinch for a family of 4.


I appreciate your plight, I really do, but the tensions in Hong Kong have been building for months and one could thus reasonably front the argument, any and all visitor presently there willingly ventured to a volatile destination. They have my understanding but, to be honest, not much in the way of sympathy.


I’m not here by choice. I am here for visa reasons, the process started months ago, and by the time it became clear that things were getting out of hand in Hong Kong, my and my wife’s paperwork were too far along, to apply for our visa in a different consulate office.

Whatever VISA reasons you have, it is still your choice. Nobody forced you as a US citizen to go to HK. :roll:

Yossarian22 wrote:
From following the #antielab on Twitter, it appears the Airport is shut again.

The protesters are violating the human rights of those who wish to travel. Preventing me from exiting the country is a violation of my human rights.

Which human rights treaty covers your supposed 'right to travel'? :confused: Migrants from Latin America and Africa might be interested. :scratchchin:
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:47 am

chiawei wrote:
Fake news.


I greatly dislike this phrase everybody please go back to calling stories false or propaganda
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:07 am

Looks like there were some flights that managed to get out of HKG last night - I saw CX105 descending into MEL at lunchtime, so would have left HKG around 12.30-01.00. Given the circumstances, probably mainly transit pax on board.
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:39 am

CX repositioned empty to Oz the last two nights to get the aircraft down under for inbound flights.

Virgin delayed over night and send it’s services out 11am the following morning.

QF also went out last night but very empty as they only had transit and pax who got past departures by 430pm.
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:16 pm

Glad to see that there is peaceful protesting happening today (US time), tonight 23:00 (HKT). The disruption with violence and property damage is unacceptable. If what happened at HKG regarding the violence had been most any other place, people would have died.

Back to aviation- I was surprised (but happy) to see UA take the risk and depart from EWR, ORD and SFO when they did as at that time it appeared very questionable as to if operations would be favorable to land. Does anyone know if different alternatives were filed? I'm curious where the alternatives would have been as mainland China does not appear to be a great place for this. Maybe Japan like CX did on one of their JFK flights (completely avoiding Chinese airspace)?
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:49 pm

n92r03 wrote:
Glad to see that there is peaceful protesting happening today (US time), tonight 23:00 (HKT). The disruption with violence and property damage is unacceptable. If what happened at HKG regarding the violence had been most any other place, people would have died.

Back to aviation- I was surprised (but happy) to see UA take the risk and depart from EWR, ORD and SFO when they did as at that time it appeared very questionable as to if operations would be favorable to land. Does anyone know if different alternatives were filed? I'm curious where the alternatives would have been as mainland China does not appear to be a great place for this. Maybe Japan like CX did on one of their JFK flights (completely avoiding Chinese airspace)?

KIX makes a lot of sense.

Long runways, not super-congested, plenty of onward connections to all of Asia for rebooking.
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:19 pm

n92r03 wrote:
Maybe Japan like CX did on one of their JFK flights (completely avoiding Chinese airspace)?

This has to do with the jet-streams, not politics.
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:32 pm

Speedalive wrote:
n92r03 wrote:
Maybe Japan like CX did on one of their JFK flights (completely avoiding Chinese airspace)?

This has to do with the jet-streams, not politics.


Negative. Take a look at CX899 (13 Aug). It clearly avoids Chinese airspace.
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:57 pm

n92r03 wrote:
Speedalive wrote:
n92r03 wrote:
Maybe Japan like CX did on one of their JFK flights (completely avoiding Chinese airspace)?

This has to do with the jet-streams, not politics.


Negative. Take a look at CX899 (13 Aug). It clearly avoids Chinese airspace.

Oh sorry thought we were talking about the eastbound flights which almost always go south towards Taiwan/japan. Here’s why for this specific case ...
A post published on Tuesday afternoon on the official Weibo account of China’s Central Political and Legal Affairs Commission, the ruling Communist Party’s organ managing the police and courts, claimed that CX899 failed to provide the required information regarding the identities of the crew, resulting in the flight being denied entry into Chinese airspace. The flight, known as a ferry flight, was not carrying passengers as its purpose was to move the aircraft into position where it was needed for future use.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3022651/cathay-pacifics-majority-shareholder-pressed-condemning
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:44 pm

Please understand that not everything that is posted on WEIBO is true, CX has already come out to say that it was not prevented from entering Chinese airspace. HKG had a NOTAM issued at the time for a ground stop and possible diversions for inbound aircraft. As the crew were on a very long flight duty period, with an unknown time when they could resume to HKG they needed somewhere to park.

Most of Chinese airspace is closed, international carriers are only permitted to use routes published “overflying flight routes”, if your flight plan is not listed in that document, clearance will not be granted. This applies to all international carriers in Chinese airspace.

Diverting to KIX gave the opportunity to position the aircraft to a port where it could park overnight, where crew could get off to get rest, have accommodation and ground handling in place, where ground staff are in place,
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:15 am

Access controls have been implemented at HKG. Only ticketed passengers are given access to the terminal.



Announcement for Access Control At Hong Kong International Airport
Access control at the terminal buildings of Hong Kong International Airport is being implemented. Until further notice, only bona fide passengers with a valid air ticket or boarding pass for a flight in the next 24 hours and a valid travel document will be allowed to enter the terminal buildings. Passengers are reminded to arrive at the airport three hours before their departure time for relevant checks at the designated access control checkpoints equipped with 24-hour security cameras. Other members of the public, including those who may want to accompany departure passengers or receiving arrival passengers at the airport should not travel to the airport unless absolutely necessary.


https://www.hongkongairport.com/en/impo ... 86036195-2


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