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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:04 pm

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flyingisthebest wrote:
ago

According to Flightradar Virgin Australia has retimed it’s flights out of Hong Kong for 11am/1130am Local time 13/8.


The flight to SYD is showing a time of 10am, MEL 1130am, if SYD gets delayed beyond 12 it will hit the curfew for SYD. VA still has both HKG flights operating tomorrow which means domestic is down to 1 A332 and I expect the knock on effects through VA's network could last a couple of days if not more
Isn't VA has 6 A332? Why only down to 1?

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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:09 pm

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Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:29 pm

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AA125 DFW HKG still showing a go as of now on aa.com. Departs in about 90 minutes


I'd be curious to see what their filed diversion airport is...but I have a feeling, whether for good or for bad, the airport will be operating normally tomorrow.
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:30 pm

Looks like cargo flights are still departing without much issue (as would make sense), but nothing commercial coming out still.
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:02 pm

YYZ AC015 just leaving now with an hour delay
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:13 pm

CityRail wrote:
qf789 wrote:
flyingisthebest wrote:
ago

According to Flightradar Virgin Australia has retimed it’s flights out of Hong Kong for 11am/1130am Local time 13/8.


The flight to SYD is showing a time of 10am, MEL 1130am, if SYD gets delayed beyond 12 it will hit the curfew for SYD. VA still has both HKG flights operating tomorrow which means domestic is down to 1 A332 and I expect the knock on effects through VA's network could last a couple of days if not more
Isn't VA has 6 A332? Why only down to 1?

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Probably because 2 more will be ready for flights to HKG tomorrow. That's 4 frames already.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:30 pm

AA193 LAX-HKG was canceled overnight.
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:51 pm

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Hope it is this, not that they plan to fire tear gas into the terminal to disperse.


That would be a disaster - there's nowhere to disperse to.

PixelPilot wrote:
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Would be quite a bumpy landing these days!
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:01 pm

vhtje wrote:
Interestingly, BA's website shows tonight's BA32 and BA28 as still operational:



Yet the HKG airport website shows a sea of red cancellations, including BA's two flights:


I wonder which is correct?


Notice BA32 just departed, but both tonights flights show cancelled. Surely they are not both returning to LHR empty. Does anyone know?
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:05 pm

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Please refrain from political comments. Thanks for understanding.

Y'all need to define what constitutes "political comments." How's one supposed to discuss a political situation without political comments?
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:13 pm

wawaman wrote:
vhtje wrote:
Interestingly, BA's website shows tonight's BA32 and BA28 as still operational:



Yet the HKG airport website shows a sea of red cancellations, including BA's two flights:


I wonder which is correct?


Notice BA32 just departed, but both tonights flights show cancelled. Surely they are not both returning to LHR empty. Does anyone know?


BA.com indicates both flights have now departed, albeit BA32 was delayed 36 minutes:

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Edit: HKG Departures still shows them as cancelled. They are both showing on the planefinder app, so aircraft are in the air.
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:25 pm

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AA125 DFW HKG still showing a go as of now on aa.com. Departs in about 90 minutes


AA125 just took off.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:35 pm

I'd already changed my plans to fly LHR-SZX rather than LHR-HKG for my next business trip to Shenzhen and Hong Kong in order to avoid any risk of this happening.
But that's not an easy plan for those people who don;t already have Chinese visas (which most visitors to HK don't).
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:54 pm

Despite some delays, everything seems to be quite normal so far:

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/VHHH
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:55 pm

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I wonder if freight is impacted. I think the economy could survive some time without people flying in and out of the territory (as long as there is electronic communication), but stopping the freight would be disasterous for the HK economy.



It looks like only cargo flights are arriving into HKG right now... that said it is 1am in Hong Kong...
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:57 pm

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The 77W could certainly fly the SFO-SIN leg. Just look at DFW-HKG west bound.
In regards to the load, I don't know if you are talking in generalities or this particular flight, but when I flew SIN-SFO, it was full, not 100 passengers or so.

That is the dedicated SIN-SFO flight. This is the SIN-HKG-SFO flight, with full traffic rights on both segments. Many of the people getting on in SFO/SIN are just flying to HKG, not all the way. They will be rebooked rather than placed on the temporary rerouted SIN-SFO nonstop. So loads should be lighter than usual.[/quote]

Exactly, this isn't about the capabilities of the 77W, this is about this particular one off flight. It is safe to assume that SQ2 is nowhere near capacity this evening because any and all passengers who were going to HKG or making connections to other flights within Asia at HKG are not on that flight right now only passengers who final destination was SFO. This also applies to the cargo there is no HKG cargo on this flight and lets not forget SQ has their own A359 nonstop so a majority of the cargo is probably on that flight.
So the 77W can operate the SIN-SFO flight under these favorable conditions, what I'm now wondering is can the 77W operate SFO-SIN nonstop with at the very least a full passenger load an all their bags?
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:06 pm

JackInThePod wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
I wonder if freight is impacted. I think the economy could survive some time without people flying in and out of the territory (as long as there is electronic communication), but stopping the freight would be disasterous for the HK economy.



It looks like only cargo flights are arriving into HKG right now... that said it is 1am in Hong Kong...

Wrong.

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/VHHH/arrivals
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:15 pm

Ishrion wrote:
gdg9 wrote:
AA125 DFW HKG still showing a go as of now on aa.com. Departs in about 90 minutes


AA125 just took off.


Wonder what the load was like today?

Of course AA125 flies over Japan , so easy diversion into TYO if the need arises.
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:29 pm

ojjunior wrote:
JackInThePod wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
I wonder if freight is impacted. I think the economy could survive some time without people flying in and out of the territory (as long as there is electronic communication), but stopping the freight would be disasterous for the HK economy.



It looks like only cargo flights are arriving into HKG right now... that said it is 1am in Hong Kong...

Wrong.

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/VHHH/arrivals


This is more accurate:
https://www.hongkongairport.com/en/flig ... enger.page

Pretty much all the passenger flights that were scheduled to arrive tonight are delayed to arriving sometimes in the morning tomorrow.

As for departure:
https://www.hongkongairport.com/en/flig ... enger.page

Seems like a few flights that are scheduled to depart midnight are shown as "Departed" or "Gate Closed". CX261 (CDG), CX233 (MXP), and CX289 (FRA) all took off from HKG. Whether those planes have any pax in them is another story.

Keep in mind that 95% of the protesters had left the airport around 6pm HK Time or so after it was announced that flights will be canceled for the rest of the day (thus, for most protesters, the objective is accomplished), and also reports (that are not exactly true) that police may start to clear the terminal area. There are only around 100 or so protesters remaining at the airport right now. It's not really known how many protesters will show up at the airport tomorrow, either - but most expected the number of people to not be as many as today, and thus, the operation should not be disturbed as badly tomorrow.
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:38 pm

Per internal news at my company, freighter volume out of HKG has been impacted in recent weeks as companies in Pearl basin that used HKG as a gateway are increasingly looking to ship directly out of China instead of taking the risk and potential delays with warehousing and transshipment in HK. My airline has already operated extra sections into SZX as result.

Hate to say it, but the increasingly criminal like activity taking place in HK could kill the golden goose and permanently hurt the territories long-standing place as a logistics hub to/from China.
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:29 pm

Looks like I might want to start looking for cheap flights on CX :)
 
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:40 pm

MH has cancelled flights to HKG until Tuesday afternoon

https://twitter.com/MAS/status/1160918239011995649?s=20
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:01 pm

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MH has cancelled flights to HKG until Tuesday afternoon

https://twitter.com/MAS/status/1160918239011995649?s=20


Any idea why the thread title has not been changed to reflect the fact that not all flights have been cancelled ?
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:04 pm

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CityRail wrote:
qf789 wrote:

The flight to SYD is showing a time of 10am, MEL 1130am, if SYD gets delayed beyond 12 it will hit the curfew for SYD. VA still has both HKG flights operating tomorrow which means domestic is down to 1 A332 and I expect the knock on effects through VA's network could last a couple of days if not more
Isn't VA has 6 A332? Why only down to 1?

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Probably because 2 more will be ready for flights to HKG tomorrow. That's 4 frames already.


2 are currently in HKG, 2 will fly to HKG Tuesday, 1 is in the hangar at BNE getting WIFI fitted leaving 1 for domestic
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:04 pm

zeke wrote:
qf789 wrote:
MH has cancelled flights to HKG until Tuesday afternoon

https://twitter.com/MAS/status/1160918239011995649?s=20


Any idea why the thread title has not been changed to reflect the fact that not all flights have been cancelled ?


Because the magic, mind-reading, auto-thread-title-changer isn't working today?

Or maybe because nobody hit the little "report" button on any of the posts to ask the mods to change the title.

Probably one of those two. Not sure which one.
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:07 pm

zeke wrote:
qf789 wrote:
MH has cancelled flights to HKG until Tuesday afternoon

https://twitter.com/MAS/status/1160918239011995649?s=20


Any idea why the thread title has not been changed to reflect the fact that not all flights have been cancelled ?


Because no one has reported it yet, if you want it changed report it so it can be dealt with
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:44 pm

qf789 wrote:
zeke wrote:
qf789 wrote:
MH has cancelled flights to HKG until Tuesday afternoon

https://twitter.com/MAS/status/1160918239011995649?s=20


Any idea why the thread title has not been changed to reflect the fact that not all flights have been cancelled ?


Because no one has reported it yet, if you want it changed report it so it can be dealt with


One would think that a moderator being an active participant in s thread would mean it does not need to be reported.

You are obviously aware it is not factual and don’t want to do anything about it, so there is no point reporting it.
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:57 pm

zeke wrote:
qf789 wrote:
zeke wrote:

Any idea why the thread title has not been changed to reflect the fact that not all flights have been cancelled ?


Because no one has reported it yet, if you want it changed report it so it can be dealt with


One would think that a moderator being an active participant in s thread would mean it does not need to be reported.

You are obviously aware it is not factual and don’t want to do anything about it, so there is no point reporting it.


Well that was a bit rude of you Zeke.....

Tell you what I will report it so a mod, as QF789 is posting on here in a personal capacity rather than as a mod, can change it. As it seems like at least some flights are operating...all three UA flights are either scheduled to depart on time or have departed ontime today from the US.
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Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:10 pm

United1 wrote:
zeke wrote:
qf789 wrote:

Because no one has reported it yet, if you want it changed report it so it can be dealt with


One would think that a moderator being an active participant in s thread would mean it does not need to be reported.

You are obviously aware it is not factual and don’t want to do anything about it, so there is no point reporting it.


Well that was a bit rude of you Zeke.....

Tell you what I will report it so a mod, as QF789 is posting on here in a personal capacity rather than as a mod, can change it. As it seems like at least some flights are operating...all three UA flights are either scheduled to depart on time or have departed ontime today from the US.


The title was not wrong - but just have to be clarified a little bit, i.e. "today" as in Aug. 12, HK Time.

The UA flights that depart today (Aug. 12), US Time, for example, won't arrive in HKG until evening of Aug. 13, HK Time. Of course those flights are not affected (at least for now) - they won't arrive until 14 hrs later.

Either way, it's not really known whether tomorrow's operation would be affected or not. There would probably still be sit-in protests at the airport, but I would think they would probably be more similar in scale to the one over past weekend (Friday - Sunday) rather than yesterday (Monday) HK Time. The number of people at the airport on Monday was 2-3x that of Friday - Sunday, mainly b/c of what happened over the weekend. From pictures I saw, the arrival hall was totally full, and eventually, the departure hall (where there's a "restricted area" near the check-in counters) become 100% full also, and began to affect regular operation at the airport. Things like roads going into the airport being heavily congested (due to the amount of people heading to the airport for the most part) played a role also - people simply can't get to the airport, period.

At the end of the day, though, many people still has to work (It's HK...), and not everyone has this much time to just sit-in at the airport every single day outside of the younger generation (Most of which are students, and thus, still on summer vacation). People also "save" their energy for protests over the weekend for the most part. If anything, if not for that arbitrary arrest of the student union president on Tuesday last week, nothing major would have happen between Monday (8/5) and Saturday (8/10).
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport cancel all flights today

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:23 pm

qf789 wrote:
zeke wrote:
qf789 wrote:
MH has cancelled flights to HKG until Tuesday afternoon

https://twitter.com/MAS/status/1160918239011995649?s=20


Any idea why the thread title has not been changed to reflect the fact that not all flights have been cancelled ?


Because no one has reported it yet, if you want it changed report it so it can be dealt with


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Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:31 pm

So far 40 flights canceled for Tuesday.

In addition reports of additional assembly planned at the airport commencing at 1300 per overnight call from protest groups.
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:39 am

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So far 40 flights canceled for Tuesday.

In addition reports of additional assembly planned at the airport commencing at 1300 per overnight call from protest groups.


I believe most of the cancellation are due to the fact that they need additional space for all those flights that were cancelled yesterday to land sometimes this morning. Of course, there is those planes that are out of position also.

In another word, it's a cascading effect.

The protest itself doesn't really affect airport operation THAT much per se anyway - there was zero cancellation from Friday to Sunday that was a result of the protest. Monday was simply a different story as the protesters successfully "congest" the airport building (There was simply TONS of people, period). There are also measures that the airport can take anyway, such as moving some of the check-in over to the relatively underused T2 building.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:53 am

Authorities should ban all persons without tickets from terminal buildings. In addition, there should be checkpoints on the roadway leading to the airport to verify identity or persons and what business they have at the airport.
Big failure in letting thousands to mill around the airport for no purpose other than cause disruption.
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:02 am

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Authorities should ban all persons without tickets from terminal buildings. In addition, there should be checkpoints on the roadway leading to the airport to verify identity or persons and what business they have at the airport.


Adding checkpoints for what? Just to add more disruption?

Plus good luck checking each and every buses that run at 10 mins frequency alongside Airport Express trains that are directly connected to the terminal.

mercure1 wrote:
Big failure in letting thousands to mill around the airport for no purpose other than cause disruption.


Look, there were already protests from Friday to Sunday, and there were zero cancellation that happen b/c of the protest. They cancelled all flights for about 12 hrs and you're calling this a "failure".

Seriously, a typhoon cause more mess than this.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:19 am

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Authorities should ban all persons without tickets from terminal buildings. In addition, there should be checkpoints on the roadway leading to the airport to verify identity or persons and what business they have at the airport.
Big failure in letting thousands to mill around the airport for no purpose other than cause disruption.


:checkmark:

Implementing access controls should not be that complex, and something employed by dozens of airports around the world.

An airport by nature is not a free gathering zone, it's a security-sensitive area, and certainly an area which can have access limited to.
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:30 am

Please keep political comments out of the discussion.

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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:45 am

The more I read about what's going on in Hong Kong, I'm just wondering how the political aspects would affect aviation.... I wouldn't be surprised by airlines reducing its frequencies as well as turning away its fifth freedom services. Any thoughts?
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:55 am

CX says it has cancelled 200 flights on Tuesday

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/13/hong-ko ... esday.html
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:01 am

With all flights out cancelled and no check in were processed, VS207 left HKG last night bound for LHR around 1:07am according to flightradar24. Did they ferry the plane back without any passengers? My family supposed to be on that, but now they are stuck in HK until further noticed. Depending on how's the situation today and whether the protesters will be back later, hopefully will be able to get on today's flight out.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:36 am

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With all flights out cancelled and no check in were processed, VS207 left HKG last night bound for LHR around 1:07am according to flightradar24. Did they ferry the plane back without any passengers? My family supposed to be on that, but now they are stuck in HK until further noticed. Depending on how's the situation today and whether the protesters will be back later, hopefully will be able to get on today's flight out.


If they are stuck for a couple of days, fortunately hotels are quite cheap right now. I’m currently in a 4* on Hong Kong Island, that is selling suites for 40 USD a night.

I am supposed to fly home to Shanghai on Thursday, but I am strongly considering looking into see in Hong Kong Airlines will issue a refund, and just book a train, the cost is nearly identical. They have left the high speed rail station alone, at least to this point.

But if I am stuck for a couple of extra days, I can afford it, and I don’t start work until late next week. Bit frustrate though, as I’ve been on the road for almost 7 weeks, and am looking forward to having more than 3 shirts and 5 pairs of underwear!
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:07 am

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With all flights out cancelled and no check in were processed, VS207 left HKG last night bound for LHR around 1:07am according to flightradar24. Did they ferry the plane back without any passengers? My family supposed to be on that, but now they are stuck in HK until further noticed. Depending on how's the situation today and whether the protesters will be back later, hopefully will be able to get on today's flight out.

So far flight is operating normally until I write this (13:06 local).

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Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:35 am

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SQ2 (SIN-HKG-SFO) is cancelled.

Only the HKG-SFO sector got cancelled. SQ2 still arrived moments ago into SFO. Pax got a real treat to go non-stop from SIN to SFO on B773.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:18 am

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The title was not wrong - but just have to be clarified a little bit, i.e. "today" as in Aug. 12, HK Time.


The title was wrong, I posted the actual NOTAM in reply 26 on page 1 showing a ground stop for short haul flights into HKG (from China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam etc), medium haul and long haul flights continued.

There continued to be arrivals and departures all through the period as anyone could see on FR24.

The ground stop NOTAM has been withdrawn.

It suits some people’s agendas to over play what is happening, the OP provided no source. The title is now accurate.

There were significant disruptions, much like what the airport sees many times every year when typhoons impact operations, the airport has a good track record to recover operations quickly as the recovery plans have been used many times before.
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:50 am

From the picture and live videos, I do not see such few and peaceful protester numbers warrant a need to shutdown the airport, where elsewhere are more violent. The security officers did not even try to disperse the protesters, unlike elsewhere such as train stations or main roads.

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mercure1 wrote:
Authorities should ban all persons without tickets from terminal buildings. In addition, there should be checkpoints on the roadway leading to the airport to verify identity or persons and what business they have at the airport.
Big failure in letting thousands to mill around the airport for no purpose other than cause disruption.


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Implementing access controls should not be that complex, and something employed by dozens of airports around the world.

An airport by nature is not a free gathering zone, it's a security-sensitive area, and certainly an area which can have access limited to.

The amount of people there make it difficult to implement access control. And if people are denied from the airport because they aren't flying, with that amount of people there, they're enough to make it difficult for anyone to enter or exit the airport just by standing there and do nothing. Same if access control is placed on the only road that connect the airport to the city.
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:31 am

mercure1 wrote:
Authorities should ban all persons without tickets from terminal buildings. In addition, there should be checkpoints on the roadway leading to the airport to verify identity or persons and what business they have at the airport.
Big failure in letting thousands to mill around the airport for no purpose other than cause disruption.


Sure, no picking up or taking your loved ones to the airport anymore, no spotting, no airport shopping, no hanging around at this damn cool and interesting place. You should realise that airports in many cases are much more than just the place to board a plane. They are shopping malls, business parks, intermodal transportation hubs & entertainment areas. Anyone still remembers the Dorian Gray club in the FRA basement?

The freedom of peaceful assembly and the freedom of speach (and thus the right to protest) are some of the most important Human rights. They are constitutional granted by all democracies and most of other countries.
FRAport (the company running FRA) tried several times to forbid demonstrations in the terminals and to expel protesters from the buildings. I hope I say this correctly in English: The Federal Constitutional Court of Germany ruled that freedom of assembly in public spaces is not restricted to public streets or squares, but all public places fulfilling similiar functions, which may include the public circulation spaces of shopping malls, stations or terminal buildings, even if they are on private property.
In the Frankfurt case this included the public circulation spaces in the checkin areas, arrivals halls and shopping areas. The area behind security is a different story of course.

The society and the individuals have to accept a certain degree of inconvenience caused by such lawful protests. E.g. you may have to accept the inconvenience to go slower or use a different route if your road is blocked by the sheer mass of protesters.
It is interesting how fast some people want to take away basic Human rights from others if their usage annoys them.
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:57 am

ei146 wrote:
mercure1 wrote:
Authorities should ban all persons without tickets from terminal buildings. In addition, there should be checkpoints on the roadway leading to the airport to verify identity or persons and what business they have at the airport.
Big failure in letting thousands to mill around the airport for no purpose other than cause disruption.


Sure, no picking up or taking your loved ones to the airport anymore, no spotting, no airport shopping, no hanging around at this damn cool and interesting place. You should realise that airports in many cases are much more than just the place to board a plane. They are shopping malls, business parks, intermodal transportation hubs & entertainment areas. Anyone still remembers the Dorian Gray club in the FRA basement?

The freedom of peaceful assembly and the freedom of speach (and thus the right to protest) are some of the most important Human rights. They are constitutional granted by all democracies and most of other countries.
FRAport (the company running FRA) tried several times to forbid demonstrations in the terminals and to expel protesters from the buildings. I hope I say this correctly in English: The Federal Constitutional Court of Germany ruled that freedom of assembly in public spaces is not restricted to public streets or squares, but all public places fulfilling similiar functions, which may include the public circulation spaces of shopping malls, stations or terminal buildings, even if they are on private property.
In the Frankfurt case this included the public circulation spaces in the checkin areas, arrivals halls and shopping areas. The area behind security is a different story of course.

The society and the individuals have to accept a certain degree of inconvenience caused by such lawful protests. E.g. you may have to accept the inconvenience to go slower or use a different route if your road is blocked by the sheer mass of protesters.
It is interesting how fast some people want to take away basic Human rights from others if their usage annoys them.


Right now the protesters are blocking passengers from accessing the secure area in Terminal 2. At a certain point, order has to be maintained, they are essentially holding foreigners (such as myself) hostage, who need to leave Hong Kong. I am not a resident here. I support the protesters, I am very sympathetic to their cause. But, to what purpose does it serve for them to not allow people to leave?
 
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Re: Hong Kong airport disruptions due protest

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:03 am

LAXintl wrote:
mercure1 wrote:
Authorities should ban all persons without tickets from terminal buildings. In addition, there should be checkpoints on the roadway leading to the airport to verify identity or persons and what business they have at the airport.
Big failure in letting thousands to mill around the airport for no purpose other than cause disruption.


:checkmark:

Implementing access controls should not be that complex, and something employed by dozens of airports around the world.

An airport by nature is not a free gathering zone, it's a security-sensitive area, and certainly an area which can have access limited to.


I was surprised and a it disappointed when I found out Airports in India do not allow anyone other than passengers into the terminal building and they have security checking tickets before letting people inside. Now it makes sense, especially considering places where millions of people live in and airport/terminals are running out of capacity.

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