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JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:52 am

It’s my Birthday today and I will always remember the Japan Airlines Crash which happened on my 9th birthday !

RIP all 520 victims ! Only 4 (!) survived
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:49 pm

JAL123 is a big deal, world’s biggest single aircraft loss of life in history. With the advent of big twins in place of 4-engine jumbos, we may never see the likes of it again. In Japanese culture it plays as big a role as the sinking of the Titanic does in the west.

Interesting/terrifying montage of the radio calls and CVR with radar trace https://youtu.be/Xfh9-ogUgSQ
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:49 pm

Happy Birthday!
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:01 pm

This photo, taken inside the cabin shortly before the crash, still haunts me. I’m shocked it survived, tbh.

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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:38 pm

I remember it well. And that, photo...it still gives me chills.

1985, in general, was a horrific year for civil aviation.
 
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:51 pm

I graduated high school in 1985, and I remember re thinking my decision to pursue a career in aviation by the time of the JAL crash. Just 10 days before that, on August 2, 1985, Delta 191 crashed at DFW. That one really hit home because of the significance of Delta at my home airport of ATL.

Other ones that stand out from that year are the Air India 747 that exploded of the Irish coast, and the Arrow Air DC-8 crash in Newfoundland. Although not a crash, the hijacking of TWA flight 847 is also one that stands out in my memories from that year. Truly a tragic year in aviation, one I will never forget.
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:15 pm

They say people know what they were doing when JFK was shot or when Diana died. JL123 is like that for me, school holidays listening to the radio when the news broke. Coming weeks after AI182 too it was another 747 with a large loss of life (we still had the British Airtours disaster in Manchester to come in a few days too).

I don't recall that picture before but I agree it's an haunting image. The grainy picture of JA8119 minus her tail is also a picture that sends a chill down the spine. RIP to the 520 and my thoughts to the 4 survivors too, who must still carry those horrific memories.
 
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:33 pm

Is there any truth to the rumour that there could have been more survivors if not for the bungling of the rescue efforts by the Japan Self Defense Force? That US armed forces were ready to go and pull for survivors but were told to stand down?
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:53 pm

same here
 
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:54 pm

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Is there any truth to the rumour that there could have been more survivors if not for the bungling of the rescue efforts by the Japan Self Defense Force? That US armed forces were ready to go and pull for survivors but were told to stand down?


The English translation of the Japanese accident report (http://www.mlit.go.jp/jtsb/eng-air_report/JA8119.pdf) notes in Section 2.14 that a US Air Force C-130 had correctly identified and located the crash site prior to 1915 local; a Japanese helicopter would confirm the location about 90 minutes later, but Japanese rescue personnel did not arrive on-scene until 0439 the next morning.

While the report doesn't appear to go into detail on the apparent, in hindsight, delay, I don't think anyone would disagree that both US military and Japanese SDF / civilian human assets were available which were not dispatched in a timely manner to the crash site. Whether additional lives could have been saved, given the impact and post-crash fire, would be little more than speculation.
 
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:55 pm

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Is there any truth to the rumour that there could have been more survivors if not for the bungling of the rescue efforts by the Japan Self Defense Force? That US armed forces were ready to go and pull for survivors but were told to stand down?


FWIW:

https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-Japan ... yed-rescue

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/ ... f_and_the/
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:20 pm

bluestreak wrote:
I graduated high school in 1985, and I remember re thinking my decision to pursue a career in aviation by the time of the JAL crash. Just 10 days before that, on August 2, 1985, Delta 191 crashed at DFW. That one really hit home because of the significance of Delta at my home airport of ATL.

Other ones that stand out from that year are the Air India 747 that exploded of the Irish coast, and the Arrow Air DC-8 crash in Newfoundland. Although not a crash, the hijacking of TWA flight 847 is also one that stands out in my memories from that year. Truly a tragic year in aviation, one I will never forget.

A very bad year. I remember as well since I graduated in '86 from high school.
Even in 2019 I wonder about planes that have been repaired, especially after a tail strike like that JL747 did 7 years prior to the deadly accident.

If someone gave me the option of going on two identical 747 - one that was repaired from a tail strike and one that never had a tail strike, I know I'd go for the one that was never damaged. That's how much this accident got under my skin, even now.
30 minutes of hell. Maybe the passengers didn't know what would likely happen, but the flight crew who did their absolute best probably did.
The true definition of a nightmare.
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:01 am

dcajet wrote:


Thanks for this - the reddit link in particular is rather telling since it links to a news report by apparently one of the people involved, on the 10th anniversary of the disaster.

flybynight wrote:
If someone gave me the option of going on two identical 747 - one that was repaired from a tail strike and one that never had a tail strike, I know I'd go for the one that was never damaged. That's how much this accident got under my skin, even now.
30 minutes of hell. Maybe the passengers didn't know what would likely happen, but the flight crew who did their absolute best probably did.
The true definition of a nightmare.


The sad part is that history repeated itself some 17 years later when China Airlines lost a 747 due to an improper repair after a tail strike - only this time the breakup was more violent.
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:20 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Is there any truth to the rumour that there could have been more survivors if not for the bungling of the rescue efforts by the Japan Self Defense Force? That US armed forces were ready to go and pull for survivors but were told to stand down?


Can't remember from where exactly but I heard that according to one of the survivors, more people were still alive immediately after the crash. Considering that there were 4 survivors and then the time by which the rescue arrived, I believe it is statistically possible that many more people would have survived if rescue reached them sooner. This number would obviously decline as time passed.
 
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:38 am

More than 4 people survived the crash unfortunately, due to the very late arrival of the rescue forces, many of then did not make it.
Is it true that the USAF was ready to launch rescue units to the crash site shortly after locating it, but were not launched because Japan told them not to? I think I've heard something like that, corect me if I'm wrong.

I still remember seeing the animation of the tail been torn off...Not to mention the horrific photage.
 
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:07 am

For the record, 1985 was an horrible year, Aeroflot lost 4 aircrafts this year.

01/02: Tu-134 - 58
03/05: Tu-134 - 79
10/07: Tu-154 - 200
25/11: An-21 - 21

But the tragic scenario of JAL 123 and the huge ammount of fatalities makes it special. The fact that 4 people survived is really remarkable. Some hope in the sadness.
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:30 am

Oh I had never seen that picture before. One of the flight attendants was a survivor on JAL 123. I too remember all the crashes that year. DL 191 and AI 182. It was a year to remember and not in a good way. At least DL 191 had more than a handful of survivors. Kathy Ford was in a coma for 10 years after DL flight 191 until she finally died in the 90's. Sad stuff.
 
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:43 am

n729pa wrote:
They say people know what they were doing when JFK was shot or when Diana died. JL123 is like that for me, school holidays listening to the radio when the news broke. Coming weeks after AI182 too it was another 747 with a large loss of life (we still had the British Airtours disaster in Manchester to come in a few days too).

I don't recall that picture before but I agree it's an haunting image. The grainy picture of JA8119 minus her tail is also a picture that sends a chill down the spine. RIP to the 520 and my thoughts to the 4 survivors too, who must still carry those horrific memories.


You got that right, I was not long into my airline service that year, it was awful, years of better safety then this, albeit the Air India loss was terrorist action.
Then the loss of life on Juliet Lima at MAN.
Just the other day I was training a new starter, no proper induction into Engineering these days, so not his fault that he had no knowledge of the last time a mistake that BA had some part in killed pax and crew. I changed that and it brought back the horrible, escalating rumours coming from MAN that day, (in an era before e-mails, much less the internet and social media, though an early form of company intranet were carrying reports of something happening, then news reports on the TV's in crew rooms).
 
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Re: JL 123 Crash 34 Years ago today !

Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:04 pm

Yes, more people would have survived had rescuers arrived sooner. One of the survivors recalled voices dying down as the night went by, while two other survivors (who were part of the same family) recalled two other members of their family surviving the initial crash but dying before rescuers arrived.
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