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Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:42 pm

Just out in the Norwegian media. Norwegian will cancel all of their former Transatlantic MAX routes, not only untill the MAX is back in the air, but apparently indefinately
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:59 pm

Do you have a source? Many of these routes have been operated by 737-800s since the grounding. AFAIK there are no MAX-specific routes.
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:59 pm

link to Irish transatlantic announcement.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0 ... ic-routes/
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:04 pm

Convenient way to hide (or announce) that the 737Max will never fly again for Norwegian ?
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:09 pm

What a rollercoaster for them. And an A380 was used today to get folks from Rome to Boston and then back again.
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:09 pm

At this point it is really to early to say if this has anything to do with future Max operations versus trying to right the profitability ship.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:12 pm

Pretty big bummer for BDL/PVD/SWT
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:17 pm

This was sort of the expected plan when they first reviewed the whole network and made the first "hard" announcement closing Rome (short haul), Stewart, Mallorca and the Canaries (which eventually do not close!). That was even earlier the 737MAX issue. They never made any money out of Ireland/EDI in routes towards the States.

Finally Norwegian is reacting and "playing" the rational cards of the game. If you can't make any profit, stop flying there.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:28 pm

a350lover wrote:
This was sort of the expected plan when they first reviewed the whole network and made the first "hard" announcement closing Rome (short haul), Stewart, Mallorca and the Canaries (which eventually do not close!). That was even earlier the 737MAX issue. They never made any money out of Ireland/EDI in routes towards the States.

Finally Norwegian is reacting and "playing" the rational cards of the game. If you can't make any profit, stop flying there.


Well, to be fair, I doubt that some of the routes cut could never be profitable; however, when you're burning cash like Kingfisher Air it's probably a good idea to cut money-losing routes before the entire business runs out of money. Norwegian tried to build its TATL business too quickly (presumably for first-mover advantage?) and without enough operational slack in the fleet which has contributed to the dumpster fire.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:30 pm

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Convenient way to hide (or announce) that the 737Max will never fly again for Norwegian ?


IMHO (and it is opinion, not analysis) this is trying to make a business plan failure Boeing's problem. Without denying that Boeing has responsibility for grounded aircraft I expect Boeing will litigate compensation until the end of time (or until Norwegian liquidates). Boeing needs to keep AA/UA/WN... happy - Norwegian is entirely expendable as a customer and/or debtor.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:37 pm

So they also don't expect to operate the A321LRs on these routes anymore?
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:43 pm

Shrink to profit is the euphemism used here.
I doubt the planes they were leasing in were suitable replacements for the Max.
The right planes with any hope of making these Transatlantic LCC routes successful are the Max and 321 (X)LR and even then you could use those planes much more profitably around Western Europe.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:02 pm

leghorn wrote:
Shrink to profit is the euphemism used here.
I doubt the planes they were leasing in were suitable replacements for the Max.
The right planes with any hope of making these Transatlantic LCC routes successful are the Max and 321 (X)LR and even then you could use those planes much more profitably around Western Europe.

Shrink to profitability? That's a page out of Jeff Smisek's book. How did that work out for United?
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:09 pm

I've seen they are cancelling all transatlantic routes from Ireland. Are there others they are also cancelling?

Press release RE Irish Routes:
https://media.uk.norwegian.com/pressrel ... 19-2905744
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:17 pm

Rumored for weeks that they were pulling out of Ireland TATL. Sad to see and they did have a place in the Irish market but sadly too many things went against them.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:18 pm

Disappointing, those were great flights across the pond if you wanted to pay ~150 each way. Understandable however given Norwegian's current situation x the MAX one.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:18 pm

Scarebus34 wrote:
Shrink to profitability? That's a page out of Jeff Smisek's book. How did that work out for United?


The difference here is that Norwegian had far over-expanded to the point of being unable to be profitable, so it does make sense that shrinking is likely to help them rather than hurt them.
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:20 pm

wexfordflyer wrote:
I've seen they are cancelling all transatlantic routes from Ireland. Are there others they are also cancelling?

Press release RE Irish Routes:
https://media.uk.norwegian.com/pressrel ... 19-2905744


where else did they offer Max TA from? Edinburgh was already cancelled!
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:25 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
So they also don't expect to operate the A321LRs on these routes anymore?


Never did AFAIK, the 321LRs were for their leasing arm.... open to correction here though!
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:26 pm

The routes weren't profitable. The MAX grounding does not help and the cloud hanging over the plane and the delays to service return don't help. I would also think Norwegian is positioning itself for a downturn in the hopes it can survive one.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:33 pm

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
So they also don't expect to operate the A321LRs on these routes anymore?


Never did AFAIK, the 321LRs were for their leasing arm.... open to correction here though!

320neos were for the leasing arm (they've been trying to sell those) but A321LRs were intended for Norwegian themselves. They will be based in Europe or Argentina assuming Norwegian is still going to take delivery of them.

See here:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... et-445441/
https://blueswandaily.com/norwegian-con ... perations/
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:35 pm

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Convenient way to hide (or announce) that the 737Max will never fly again for Norwegian?


The MAX routes have been solid for them. No way did they want this to happen. The MAX issue is killing Norweigan, First, they had a painful series of 787 issues and now they have expensive paperweights that are not allowed to fly called the MAX. Boeing has been the dagger in Norweigan. In no way an Airbus fan, but jeesh their fortunes would have been really different if they went with Airbus, Boeing has been horrible for them.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:48 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
runway23 wrote:
Convenient way to hide (or announce) that the 737Max will never fly again for Norwegian?


The MAX routes have been solid for them. No way did they want this to happen. The MAX issue is killing Norweigan, First, they had a painful series of 787 issues and now they have expensive paperweights that are not allowed to fly called the MAX. Boeing has been the dagger in Norweigan. In no way an Airbus fan, but jeesh their fortunes would have been really different if they went with Airbus, Boeing has been horrible for them.


You realize the massive amount of 787 issues are RR’s issue right?
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:17 pm

runway23 wrote:
Convenient way to hide (or announce) that the 737Max will never fly again for Norwegian ?


It will, however not TATL anymore. Once they're airworthy again, I can see them on their European network.

As their long haul network grew, their short haul network fell behind. As a result, Norwegian has insufficient short haul flights to feed their long haul flights. Norwegian needs a shift of capacity from long haul to short haul, and putting the MAX on short haul (once they're allowed to fly again) could be the answer.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:18 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
runway23 wrote:
Convenient way to hide (or announce) that the 737Max will never fly again for Norwegian?


The MAX routes have been solid for them. No way did they want this to happen. The MAX issue is killing Norweigan, First, they had a painful series of 787 issues and now they have expensive paperweights that are not allowed to fly called the MAX. Boeing has been the dagger in Norweigan. In no way an Airbus fan, but jeesh their fortunes would have been really different if they went with Airbus, Boeing has been horrible for them.


You realize the massive amount of 787 issues are RR’s issue right?


Irrelevant....... the issues are because they picked the 787.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:29 pm

Excellent news for Aer Lingus! They need to get some more A321LR's as soon as possible.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:30 pm

Some people blaming this on the MAX, while more likely these Ireland routes would probably have been dropped even if Norwegian used Airbus. This just sped things up. Norwegian added too many routes all over the place, too much too fast. Now they are stretched too thin. Nobody should be surprised their business model is failing. They need to shrink and refocus.
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:31 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
runway23 wrote:
Convenient way to hide (or announce) that the 737Max will never fly again for Norwegian?


The MAX routes have been solid for them. No way did they want this to happen. The MAX issue is killing Norweigan, First, they had a painful series of 787 issues and now they have expensive paperweights that are not allowed to fly called the MAX. Boeing has been the dagger in Norweigan. In no way an Airbus fan, but jeesh their fortunes would have been really different if they went with Airbus, Boeing has been horrible for them.


Their fate would not have been different with a different type of plane. It was the business plan that has doomed them not the type of planes.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:44 pm

The BBC's version: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49337337. With depressing predictability, their piece is accompanied by a photo of a 787...
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:54 pm

Supposedly the SWF-DUB and PVD-ORK flights were the only ones actually making a profit.
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:02 pm

windian425 wrote:
Excellent news for Aer Lingus! They need to get some more A321LR's as soon as possible.


Aer Lingus will be largely unfazed by this. While Norwegian’s initial arrival into the Irish transatlantic market may have seen the two airlines pitted against each other, it was clear from very early on that Norwegian was struggling to carve out a profitable niche for themselves let alone challenge Aer Lingus or the US carriers.

Anyone solely blaming the MAX grounding is kidding themselves, Norwegian was slashing routes and cutting frequencies from Ireland and Scotland long before the MAX issues arose. EDI & BFS were the first to get the chop with ORK & SNN going seasonal, they tried to focus on DUB which in fairness may have held out a bit longer if it wasn’t for the MAX but I think the overall failure was inevitable, MAX or no MAX.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:15 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
runway23 wrote:
Convenient way to hide (or announce) that the 737Max will never fly again for Norwegian ?


IMHO (and it is opinion, not analysis) this is trying to make a business plan failure Boeing's problem. Without denying that Boeing has responsibility for grounded aircraft I expect Boeing will litigate compensation until the end of time (or until Norwegian liquidates). Boeing needs to keep AA/UA/WN... happy - Norwegian is entirely expendable as a customer and/or debtor.


Well when your business plan is centered around flying smaller capacity transatlantic routes with aircraft with the appropriate level of capacity and range, it throws a major wrench in that plan when the aircraft can no longer fly.

Re keeping Norwegian happy, I suspect Boeing would be keen on doing that too. Not only were they a pretty loyal customer, their use of the MAX for transatlantic US flights might have spurred others to use the plane for that purpose had it been viewed as successful.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:18 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Just out in the Norwegian media. Norwegian will cancel all of their former Transatlantic MAX routes, not only untill the MAX is back in the air, but apparently indefinately

AeroMexico did the same thing a week ago. No future MAX flying. I’m not sure it means more than that.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:21 pm

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Supposedly the SWF-DUB and PVD-ORK flights were the only ones actually making a profit.

Id be shocked if DUB-SWF was loss making, it would still be 2x daily if it wasn’t for the MAX issues. If a TATL route like that wasn’t making a profit you’d hardly double frequency so soon. It’s how the route is flown now that’s taking away any profit it made.
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:40 pm

shamrock350 wrote:
they tried to focus on DUB which in fairness may have held out a bit longer if it wasn’t for the MAX but I think the overall failure was inevitable, MAX or no MAX.


I doubt that, Dublin was actually the only place these flights somewhat worked. Presumably because of the self-transfer options further into Europe that fed these flights, which don't exist on the other airports they tried TATL from. The only airport with somewhat a comparable number of connections further into Europe was Edinburgh, however the British APD made that their TATL flights out of Edinburgh were always more expensive than those out of Dublin so Dublin was the preferred airport for self-transfers.

They've shown that with the right amount of feed, TATL flights on a 737MAX are sustainable. Without feed, they aren't. However Norwegian didn't provide enough feed on the European end and only few people self-connect. Should Norwegian have had a feeder in Dublin, it would have been a whole other story. It's not about O/D to/from Dublin or wherever they fly from, it's broader than that. Dublin is just an entry point into Europe, not a destination by itself. Norwegian didn't see this broader picture, they focused too much on O/D. That's an important lesson to be learned.

Aer Lingus is not affected by this as they, unlike Norwegian, do have extensive feed into Europe. They would succeed where Norwegian failed.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:44 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

The MAX routes have been solid for them. No way did they want this to happen. The MAX issue is killing Norweigan, First, they had a painful series of 787 issues and now they have expensive paperweights that are not allowed to fly called the MAX. Boeing has been the dagger in Norweigan. In no way an Airbus fan, but jeesh their fortunes would have been really different if they went with Airbus, Boeing has been horrible for them.


You realize the massive amount of 787 issues are RR’s issue right?


Irrelevant....... the issues are because they picked the 787.

They could have picked GE engines for their 787s.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:01 pm

9Patch wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:

You realize the massive amount of 787 issues are RR’s issue right?


Irrelevant....... the issues are because they picked the 787.

They could have picked GE engines for their 787s.


But they couldn't have known these problems at the time they bought those aircraft. At that moment, the engines they picked were supposed to be safe. Only later it became clear there were issues with those engines, but by that time they already had them.

Of course they could have picked GE engines, but at the time there was no reason to. They could have picked another plane instead of the 787, but at the time there was no reason to. They picked what looked like a good choice, only later it turned out to be a bad choice.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:07 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

The MAX routes have been solid for them. No way did they want this to happen. The MAX issue is killing Norweigan, First, they had a painful series of 787 issues and now they have expensive paperweights that are not allowed to fly called the MAX. Boeing has been the dagger in Norweigan. In no way an Airbus fan, but jeesh their fortunes would have been really different if they went with Airbus, Boeing has been horrible for them.


You realize the massive amount of 787 issues are RR’s issue right?


Irrelevant....... the issues are because they picked the 787.


This issue is they picked the 787?? :spit: :lol:
I'm sorry I thought the issue is with the Rolls Royce engines, which they did have a choice they could have chosen GE engines. Airlines with GE engines don't seem to have problems with their 787s.
Secondly there Ireland TATL problems can't all be blamed on the MAX they operated those routes before the MAX with 738NGs. So while you want to lay all of Norwegian's problems at Boeing's feet the truth is there is plenty of blame to go around starting with Norwegian's unsustainable business model.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:16 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
shamrock350 wrote:
they tried to focus on DUB which in fairness may have held out a bit longer if it wasn’t for the MAX but I think the overall failure was inevitable, MAX or no MAX.


I doubt that, Dublin was actually the only place these flights somewhat worked. Presumably because of the self-transfer options further into Europe that fed these flights, which don't exist on the other airports they tried TATL from. The only airport with somewhat a comparable number of connections further into Europe was Edinburgh, however the British APD made that their TATL flights out of Edinburgh were always more expensive than those out of Dublin so Dublin was the preferred airport for self-transfers.

They've shown that with the right amount of feed, TATL flights on a 737MAX are sustainable. Without feed, they aren't. However Norwegian didn't provide enough feed on the European end and only few people self-connect. Should Norwegian have had a feeder in Dublin, it would have been a whole other story. It's not about O/D to/from Dublin or wherever they fly from, it's broader than that. Dublin is just an entry point into Europe, not a destination by itself. Norwegian didn't see this broader picture, they focused too much on O/D. That's an important lesson to be learned.

Aer Lingus is not affected by this as they, unlike Norwegian, do have extensive feed into Europe. They would succeed where Norwegian failed.


I think you’re placing too much emphasis on the supposed importance of those connecting by themselves. The chances are it made up a very small number of their traffic and I think many people are smart enough to realise that if a self-connect goes wrong they're on their own and have to pay for new flights.

You’ve mentioned APD before, but why then are other long-haul flights out of EDI doing well if it’s such a big deal, particularly given the draw of EDI as a destination by its own right? Remember in the case of BFS they had the market to themselves after they stepped into the breach caused by United pulling their BFS-EWR route.

From my perspective, the routes could have worked if they had taken a more organic route towards growth instead of the boom across random airports to different destinations. The MAX groundings won’t have helped for sure, but if they’re now not planned to return whenever the MAX eventually returns to the skies it shows the issues are more deep-rooted than the aircraft. In any case, using the MAX might have been a hindrance if too many people are put off flying on them.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:55 pm

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You’ve mentioned APD before, but why then are other long-haul flights out of EDI doing well if it’s such a big deal, particularly given the draw of EDI as a destination by its own right? Remember in the case of BFS they had the market to themselves after they stepped into the breach caused by United pulling their BFS-EWR route.


True, but those other long-haul flights out of Edinburgh are more O/D focussed. They're also on FSCs meaning they're more upper-market oriented. The folks taking those flights aren't after the lowest possible fare, the folks that fly Norwegian are.

Let's say you are somewhere in mainland Europe and you want to go to Newburgh for cheap. You find that Norwegian has TATL flights to Newburgh from both Edinburgh and Dublin. From where you are, a flight to either Dublin or Edinburgh costs roughly the same, however from Edinburgh the flight to Newburgh is more expensive than from Dublin. Then it's obvious, you connect in Dublin instead of Edinburgh. Apparently this has such an impact that the flights out of Dublin proved to be far more popular than those out of Edinburgh.

In the case of Belfast indeed they filled the hole United left behind, but they didn't fill it completely. They only filled the O/D demand on those flights, but United had passengers from elsewhere in the USA that connected in Newark to those flights to Belfast. Norwegian is unable to capture those passengers and they also didn't compensate it with connecting passengers from Europe. The number of flights from Belfast to Europe is rather limited.

Indeed for most people a self-transfer is not an option and it is better if it can all be booked on one single ticket, but Norwegian never offered that option on these flights. They didn't have the necessary feeder flights. That left a self-transfer to be the only option, but as said this option only applies to a limited number of people. It was just enough to keep those routes alive, but it didn't bring it to it's full potential.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:22 pm

He’s right though, Norwegian have been hamstrung by first the 787 and now the max. Going big on new aircraft types has really backfired on them.

ikolkyo wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
runway23 wrote:
Convenient way to hide (or announce) that the 737Max will never fly again for Norwegian?


The MAX routes have been solid for them. No way did they want this to happen. The MAX issue is killing Norweigan, First, they had a painful series of 787 issues and now they have expensive paperweights that are not allowed to fly called the MAX. Boeing has been the dagger in Norweigan. In no way an Airbus fan, but jeesh their fortunes would have been really different if they went with Airbus, Boeing has been horrible for them.


You realize the massive amount of 787 issues are RR’s issue right?
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:33 pm

runway23 wrote:
Convenient way to hide (or announce) that the 737Max will never fly again for Norwegian ?


Yup. I just passed 4 of their max's parked next to a hanger at OSL. Was thinking those are never getting back into the sky!
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:34 pm

Full blown attack by Delta on Norwegian, will start BOS-LGW May 2020.
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:36 pm

Norwegian has been cutting many flights left and right, anyone know what will happen with excess capacity? Will they park a lot of planes or...
 
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Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:46 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Pretty big bummer for BDL/PVD/SWT


BDL was dropped over a year ago before the MAX issues. The reasoning was a tax break at EDI they were supposed to get didn’t happen....or something like that.
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:49 pm

I feel for this airline. Between the RR Trent issues they face with their 787 fleet, and the MAX groundings, it is a financial miracle they are still operational. They quickly became Hi-Fly's favorite customer. I really hope they stick around long enough for the impending class-action case against Rolls. Clearly they've already given up hope on the Max but maybe there's some good in their all-Boeing fleet planning.
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:49 pm

Blerg wrote:
Norwegian has been cutting many flights left and right, anyone know what will happen with excess capacity? Will they park a lot of planes or...


They have been leasing planes. You will just see more Norweigan metal that is all.
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:50 pm

Nothing about their BGO-SWF service so I wonder if that could be moved back to JFK as previously the flight was operated from JFK for 3 years.
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:56 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Norwegian has been cutting many flights left and right, anyone know what will happen with excess capacity? Will they park a lot of planes or...


They have been leasing planes. You will just see more Norweigan metal that is all.


You mean leasing to other airlines out there?
 
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Re: Norwegian to cancel all TATL MAX routes

Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:11 pm

windian425 wrote:
Excellent news for Aer Lingus! They need to get some more A321LR's as soon as possible.


I could see JetBlue a season more likely to get those slots and planes first, as they’re not a competitor to Norwegian. That would also help in getting ETOPS certified.

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